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Shapers keeping secrets in Geneforge Series
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quote:
Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

There is always the chance that a leader will be a complete lunatic. This is why Tullegolite philosophy supports violent overthrowing of the government. If a lunatic does take power, it is the duty of each and every citizen to make sure that he is taken out of commission as soon as possible.
Yes, but then there would be absolute chaos as almost everyone scrambles for that position. Everything would break down into anarchy. The new leader would have quite a task on his or her hands, trying to restore order. That's if some rebel group doesn't decide to use the situation to their advantage and make some sort of power play.

EDIT: You haven't lived untill you hit the 'code' button instead of the 'quote' button.

[ Thursday, September 28, 2006 16:45: Message edited by: Nioca ]

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Shapers keeping secrets in Geneforge Series
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Actually, now that I think about it... It wasn't that they seemed saner, it was almost as if they had lost their personalities. Which could be very dangerous. Of course, I may be way off the mark here.

No matter what kind of government you try to set up, it will always have it's shortcomings. Tullegolar pointed out the problem with a democracy. The problem with absolute rule is if the leader is corrupt or insane, evrything starts falling apart. With a republic, while everything will start out fine, some of people with power will invariably become corrupt. These numbers will grow, untill eventually the whole system is corrupt.

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Shapers keeping secrets in Geneforge Series
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I was also talking about humans when I said that. Drakons are, quite literally, a different species.

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Shapers keeping secrets in Geneforge Series
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I thought it was their inability to control each other.

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Shapers keeping secrets in Geneforge Series
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quote:
Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

You would think that a strong will would make one even more crazy.
How did you come to that conclusion? A strong will generally means that they can resist such effects.

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Shapers keeping secrets in Geneforge Series
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quote:
Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

My point is that the drakon geneforges didn't seem to make the drakons that used them crazy. This opens up the possibility of a human geneforge that doesn't make you crazy.
There's something you're forgetting. Drayks, and by extension Drakons, are some of the most strong-minded creations out there. In fact, they are probably more stable mentally than humans. Therefore, it could just be a strong will that keeps them in the relative realm of sanity.

Besides, the geneforge for Drakons is massively different from the human geneforge. For example, the geneforge in GF1 did not have body parts floating in it.

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Factions in Geneforge Series
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quote:
Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

The way I see it, slavery is a perfectly reasonable practice. No, it should not be based on race or gender or anything like that. Rather, people who commit crimes or are otherwise useless to society are the ones that should be enslaved
I'll meet you halfway on the criminals. But people that are useless to society? The only way I could condone that was if they were paid.

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Secret Doors? in Avernum 4
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For the most part, no. There are a couple spots where, if some skill is high enough or someone told you about it, the wall will disappear.

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Magic in Geneforge Series
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My apologies. I, too, got a little... snippish... :o

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Piercing Crystals? in Avernum 4
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Cotra... I don't remember any barriers in that area, but in any case, I suggest you go to the Tower Colony. It's the only place you can learn Dispel Barrier, and Piercing Crystal are few and far between.

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Piercing Crystals? in Avernum 4
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If you're near Formello, which I'm guessing you are, you need to complete a quest for the mayor.

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Magic in Geneforge Series
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How in the world does this:
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I imagine that the spells last longer, and are possibly stronger, for example blessing might give +4 to hit at level one, and +6 at level two.
translate into:
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For some statuses, higher levels equal greater strength. In most cases, such as blessing, protection, and so forth, it just increase life-span
I do read my posts and ask myself whether or not I should post it. If I did, then I felt I had something to contribute.

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Factions in Geneforge Series
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My opinion is that serviles should be kept in the servant position, but should be given rights and pay. After all, you pay a human servant or laborer for work, so why not a servile?

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Magic in Geneforge Series
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For some statuses, higher levels equal greater strength. In most cases, such as blessing, protection, and so forth, it just increases life-span.

EDIT: Sometimes typos come in twos.

[ Wednesday, September 27, 2006 08:41: Message edited by: Nioca ]

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If you could do it over... in Blades of Avernum
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In the Avernum series, gorgons trap your characters in a forcecage. Or beat them into a pulp. In my scenario, there are Brutal gorgons, who's hits paralyze you, and gorgon lords, who petrify you.

Gorgon lords come closest to the greek myth of gorgons. Gorgons were... well actually, all you need to know is that Medusa was a gorgon.

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Magic in Geneforge Series
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It makes the spells more potent, but other than that, it has no effect.

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Shapers keeping secrets in Geneforge Series
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I said they were cruel, not stupid. The only real reason they want you back is because you're powerful, and could help them futher their cause.

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An unusual beta request in Blades of Avernum Editor
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I just sent it out to Enraged Slith and Niemand. Hopefully you both recieve it.

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Shapers keeping secrets in Geneforge Series
Shaper
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quote:
Originally written by Randomizer:

The shapers who used the geneforge in the endings of GF1 all seem to lose control. The apprentice playing GF1 hasn't got enough training to control his changes. The other shapers seem to all have personality disorders that were magnified by using it. These maybe be part of the shaper's arrogance that is manifest in GF3 when the apprentice makes demands for free supplies, etc. There seems to be hints that most shapers are normally this way.
I think this pretty much sums it up. The slightest flaw in someones personality can leave them unhinged after using the geneforge. When the geneforge can be used without the person becoming a genocidal doomsday weapon, then by all means, have everyone use it. Untill then, distribute small quantities of canisters.

quote:
Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

As for magnifying personality disorders: I must point out the Drakons in Geneforge 2 and 3. They went from being cruel and unreasonable to actually deciding to spare your life after you helped them. This is good evidence for the possibility of perfecting geneforge technology to not make you crazy.
I'll point out that, in GF2 and 3, they remain cruel and unreasonable. Only now, they are cruel, unreasonable, and very powerful. Nasty combo.

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As for people being gods: who says they can not be benevolent ones? Once they have all the power in the world they will have little else to do other than reflect on such things as philosophy and good leadership. Only then will they be truly perfect, true gods.
There could be a few benevolent ones. But most of them would be to busy trying to get more power to care. Besides, if they all have the same power, they're no longer gods, are they? :P

[ Tuesday, September 26, 2006 17:45: Message edited by: Nioca ]

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If you could do it over... in Blades of Avernum
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Glad to be of assistance.

I'm really doubting my plot. An independent nation outside the empire?

Actually, now that I've written it down, it sounds excellent.

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Shapers keeping secrets in Geneforge Series
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quote:
Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

Testing for Canisters: I do not approve of canisters, for they are not strong enough. Also, Randomizer is right, could the testers be bribed? Could someone fake sanity? Most likely. Canisters are not the answer. More research into the geneforge is what's needed! And who better to build new and improved geneforges than someone who has partaken of one themselves?
True, but it takes power to get power. The canisters, while dangerous, are a decent middle ground, so long as they're controlled.

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Cult: An interesting thought, though I believe no cult would be necessary. In the world of Geneforge, the only gods the people will ever need are themselves.
:eek: YIKES! :eek:
Hundreds of people with limitless power unleashing their wrath on each other, with no consideration for anyone caught in the middle, is asking for trouble. There were a few places in the Geneforge series where the zone was a desolate wasteland because of power-hungry warlords. If every person held this power, the only thing left of that world will be a few scattered desert islands. In other words, Armageddon.

That said, I was hoping I wouldn't get dragged into this. This already was a difficult issue, but Emperor Tullegolar always seems to be able to counter you, no matter how clever your argument is.

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Reward Rooms (near-endgame spoilers) in Avernum 4
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quote:
Originally written by Conqueror of Geneforge:

Seems Dorikas will be in AV6, though.
Ummm... I think he might reappear in A5.

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If you could do it over... in Blades of Avernum
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Agadia Isle: I would NOT have used undead as one of the main attackers. Then again, I needed variety. Undead provide variety. Gorgons and Netherspiders don't.

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Factions in Geneforge Series
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In GF1 and 2, I'm Awakening all the way. I prefer their way of attempting to get freedom, by building bonds with the shapers, rather than killing them.

In GF3, I'm a reluctant shaper. I don't agree with most of their views, but if no one is in control, chaos and death will regin.

Oh, and welcome back, Tullegolar.

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An unusual beta request in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Sorry for the double-post, but it's the only way to bump the topic. Anyway, I would like to hear some sort of feedback from Niemand and Garrison. You can just post it here on the forum, it's not as if it will give away the plot. Or you can PM me.

Thanks in advance.

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