If you could do it over...

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Shaper
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If you could build your scenario(s) from scratch again, what would you change about it?

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Gah, I'd remove the contrived plot device of "proving yourself" from DoK. And I'd have done an actual round of beta testing... and I would've smoothed out the look of the Upper Temple so that it looked a bit more tree-like.

Oh, and I'd have looked for more interesting trees, like I always do.

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This topic is in the BoA forum, but I hope nobody minds me talking about my BoE scenario.

I'd have made the ending less wordy, fleshed out the antagonists a little more, and spread Synaesthesia out over all three dream sequences instead of throwing it at the player all at once.

[ Monday, September 25, 2006 21:17: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Backwater Calls: Let's see, I'd try to flesh out the demons more. (Even though they are demons, I'd try.) I'd probably remove either the sliths or undead, maybe work with the goblins some more. I'd make the outdoors more compact. Maybe add some more stuff involving the rebels. I'd come up with another reason for the player to be in the valley. And finally I wouldn't make the scenario.

Magus of Cattalon: Hmm... I suppose I could make Polonius reveal the thing involving the blessing and the children. The nephilim could have used a bit more work too. There was more but I can't remember them now.

Rats Aplenty: Currently I have no major gripes about Rats Aplenty. They'll come, though.

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AGB - I would have made it longer. Much longer. The bad guy would have killed others, and there would be a nice twist where the player thought that somebody else was doing it. Otherwise, it's not *that* bad.

With TV, I'm trying to get lots and lots of dialogue, and characters the player will care about. Which means I'll probably hate it for being too wordy,

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Though WtRM is just released, I'll already comment on it by saying what i don't like:

The plot. It's too standard. For the rest i'd tried to give some characters in the scenario something a bit more special, that at least the key characters stand out a bit more.

I don't have anything to say yet about my second scenario.

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quote:
Originally written by Smoo:

Backwater Calls: ... I wouldn't make the scenario.
While BC could have been better, it certainly wasn't a bad scenario. Besides, most first efforts tend to be under par.

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Heck, I haven't started alpha testing LoD in ernest, and I already hate parts of it.

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I wouldn't have started it so soon. I had big plans for it, but inexperience with the editor and vague ideas/images of it made me rush into the finished project. I've considered redo it to my original design, but that'd be just silly.

D:

As a side thought, I would not have made my BoE scenarios until I was older, 'cause they really sucked. : (

[ Saturday, September 30, 2006 17:50: Message edited by: Millicent, Dear Millicent ]

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I've posted long, rambling tracts on what I did and didn't like about each of my scenarios on the Lyceum's boards. Here are the highlights of the negatives (or the lowlights, I guess):

Bahssikava: the combat was varied for me, but not for the player. Each fight has a slight designing gimmick, but it doesn't affect the player's strategy enough. I would more dramatically modify how the player has to fight each combat, and I'd probably make the enemies of more varied species. I'd also tie it all together more: Galthrax sort of came out of nowhere.

Lord Putidus: I'm not sure. I tend to disagree with most of the criticisms of the scenario. Maybe I can agree that it was too short — it probably would've benefited from being about two or three times as long. More exploration of the virtues that the scenario was mostly concerned with would've been nice. I guess I also could've made the floor paths more obvious in the castle, but at the time, I wasn't sure how to do that.

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Agadia Isle: I would NOT have used undead as one of the main attackers. Then again, I needed variety. Undead provide variety. Gorgons and Netherspiders don't.

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(About my BoE scenarios, SPOILERS! The full titles are in my signature.)

FER: I'd make the whole plot less laughable, I'd explain how/why King Micah became a super-powered warrior, and I'd add much more depth and dialogue. Most importantly, you WOULD NOT cross the lake by holding onto Sliths' tails.

ND: I wouldn't release it. :P Seriously, I felt the main problem here was I tried to make an 'upgrade' of FER. I felt I tried to use some of the same parts, and do them right this time. While I mostly succeded in this regard, I didn't make the plot better, and I really should have done things totally new here. I also would balance treasure a little better.

tFS: I would make all the characters human, no Nephils, Sliths, or Vahnatai. I'd probably write dialogue more efficently, get all the bugs out on the first round, and make the battle with Eltus harder. (I was also thinking that if I made the characters human, I could add a love story, but it would have to fit in with the rest of the plot, and it would have to 'work', too. ;) ) Unlike my previous scenarios, I will say this is a good scenario. In fact, I'm feeling confident of it doing well in this upcoming contest.

Thanks for posting the topic. This is a perfect place for looking at exactly what you did wrong, sharing, and improving. :)

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Glad to be of assistance.

I'm really doubting my plot. An independent nation outside the empire?

Actually, now that I've written it down, it sounds excellent.

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quote:
Originally written by Nioca:

Undead provide variety.
GYAH!!!!!

(points at Undead Valley, and collapses into wailing and gnashing of teeth)

Ahem... sorry. But gorgons are an under-used creature, honestly. With any luck, I'll slip one or two into DoK2 (which will hopefully fix some of the stuff that DoK had wrong with it).

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In fact, gorgons are so under-used, I'm not even sure I know what they're supposed to be or do.

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Gorgons and netherspiders can be interesting if developed. In Exile, Gorgons were just big monsters with no real story. Definitely an open opportunity here.

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I seem to remember gorgons hanging out with gremlins in Exile 3. They breathed a sleep cloud or something. I can't even remember if they did this in Avernum 3 or if they even hung out with gremlins. Or maybe I'm confusing them with something else.
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While BC could have been better, it certainly wasn't a bad scenario. Besides, most first efforts tend to be under par.
Maybe. But if I were to make BC today, I wouldn't make it. The only reason I made it in the first place was to familiarize myself with the editor. The plot is lacking (what plot?) and I just don't see why I would want to make it.
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Heck, I haven't started alpha testing LoD in ernest, and I already hate parts of it.
That is a very healthy attitude. But don't be shocked if someone actually *gasp* likes your scenario when you release it!

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In the Avernum series, gorgons trap your characters in a forcecage. Or beat them into a pulp. In my scenario, there are Brutal gorgons, who's hits paralyze you, and gorgon lords, who petrify you.

Gorgon lords come closest to the greek myth of gorgons. Gorgons were... well actually, all you need to know is that Medusa was a gorgon.

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The gorgon graphic is sadly lacking... it just doesn't look terrifying enough for something that can petrify you (or at least should be able to).

And of course, slith avatars look like gorgons... so are gorgons really horrible slith/basilisk hybrids?

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quote:
Originally written by Ephesos:

And of course, slith avatars look like gorgons... so are gorgons really horrible slith/basilisk hybrids?
No. It's just that the graphics are messed up in BoA because of the corescendata script. Kel mentioned this somewhere, but I don't know where off-hand.

Slith Avatars in A1-3 looked totally different.

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quote:
Originally written by Oscar Wilde xx:

No. It's just that the graphics are messed up in BoA because of the corescendata script. Kel mentioned this somewhere, but I don't know where off-hand.

Slith Avatars in A1-3 looked totally different.

I was aware of this actually, and was attempting to make a joke. I see that I failed.

(sulks in corner)

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quote:
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