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written Friday, April 6 2007 22:24
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Shapers at best influence the rebels moves. No one but you can force your hand. If I remeber correctly the takers try to get you to assiante the leaders of the awaken in GF1 the only group in the entire game that want diplomacy what where you saying about the shapers refuseing diplomacy? The Rebellion wanted them dead more so then the shapers. Granted the shapers became complacent and if wasn't for that the rebellion wouldn't exist. However this rebellion only proved what the shapers said all the long. Every bad thing that the shapers said would happen if outsiders gained signigficant shapeing abilities has happened. They messed up (no one is perfect) and they got a bloody nosed for it but they will clean up the mess they made by crushing the rebellion -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, April 6 2007 07:13
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quote:Who unleashed the unbound? Who tried to rebuild the geneforge? Who keeps growing more arrogant with each generation? Who escalitates the war? Who sends out countless rouge creations? When did the current rebellion or their predecccsors (takers in genefore 1) try for diplomacy? Shapers have made their mistakes but they are learning from them mabey not to your degree of satsifaction but they have some. You can aruge that the creation side fights for survial but couldn't you make the same claim for the shaper. The rebellion is mess the shapers made true but that would make it their duty to clean it up and if that means by crushing it so be it. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, April 6 2007 04:43
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Why accept diplomacy when your wining? Did the rebels try to engage in diplomacy when they where wining?don't think so. It was all crush the horrible shapers. Don't think they are so horrible considering I have met more refugees complain about the rebellion then the shapers. People miss the stabilty and way of life shapers provided, all the rebelion has brought was destruction and considering the drakons haven't been quite about have dommion (where does that sound fimilar). As far as spareing some of the intellegent creations like rebel serivles, dryaks, and drakons. I wouldn't mind dealing with serivles or dryaks they seem more reasonable drakons are just arrogant and too stuborn. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, April 6 2007 04:27
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It is, put it shows how far they will go to avoid something they find distastful. Prehaps they wouldn't take as extrem measures to avoid stuff that isn't distastful. The point is someone need to due menial work of repearing the creation vats for the unbound. As desperate as the drakons where to do that they found it couldn't be done with out the rest of the rebellion. In my opinion this makes them most inferior sapient species on the game. SErviels can serve all roles of soceity, humans can, even dryaks can, and to leaser degree so do gazers. These species can exist by themselves drakons can not. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, April 5 2007 19:03
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If you go with the trakovite ending the drakons abilty to make the unbound are destroyed. The want to make the unbound desperately but because they can't/won't do menial work and the rebellion is willing to provide it. They can't build it. Also you can make a list of things that are beneath a drakon(due to pride) sumbiting to a human(or lesser creation),menial work (with exception of heavy lifting and only then if benfits them directly). Their are example of a drakon killing himself before doing some of these things (when you duel that upstart drakon and you come close to controling him)prehaps. I think you under estimate the drakons level of arrogance. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, April 5 2007 12:19
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The rebellion has committed every crime the shapers have, their loseing, and they wasteful political posturing. The shapers commited lots of crimes but if you ally your self to them the shapers can be quite helpful. If I join the rebellion I have to twist arms to get any help. Why on earth would I want to join the rebellion. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, April 5 2007 12:14
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Trakovite ending shows that drakons need the other speicces of the rebellion. Since the humans invented shapeing it is safe to assume they existed without creations and could do so again. The drakons have always had other creations augment them. In all their time they neveeer once tried to modify themselves to do otherwise. I remeber once your pc comes across a tribe of battle alphas thats not doing so well becuase all they reall know how to do is fight. Your pc tells them how to do menial work and they take right too. The drakons can't even do that. For all their might they are stopped in their tracks when the rest of rebellion refuses to help them. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, April 4 2007 16:44
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drakons have never had to do it so we don't know. Though we do know that humans once did everything themselves and some humans do menial work. Humans have done it before albeit a long time ago. The drakons have never done it. The pass of the duty of meeting with lesser specices of the rebellion like a dead raccon. The only building they do is the heavy lifting (which is closet they every come to meneial work in all of geneforge history) They make good for skilled labor granted but menial work isn't their thing. Plus they like to argue a lot. So I imagine lots of argueing would go on about how do the menial work. I have seen nothing to show drakons would even condier it. edit: honestly can you imagine a drakon sweeping a floor [ Wednesday, April 04, 2007 16:46: Message edited by: Lord Safey ] -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, April 4 2007 12:21
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lets take the view of your average human in geneforge, Why should I trust some so called self righegtious rebellion, The shapers may not be perfect but becuase of them I have a place to live and food to eat. The main difference between Czar russia and the shapers is that the shapers had a system that worked it was obressive yes but it worked and everyone that followed the rules with the rebels no one lives. They fight among themselves the Drakons have all but forgotten what they are fighting for and just want power if they where fighting for survial they would have inculed the rest of the rebellion on the unbound project. Did they no they just wanted a monoply on the power of the unbound. So far every atrocity the shapers have commited has been equaled if not execed by the rebellion. I can trust the shapers the shapers do(at least try to do) what they say they are going to do. The rebellion you have to guess what your supposed allies are going to do. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, April 4 2007 12:10
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Well if thats the case you really can't compare Drakons and Humans as far as superiorty. Humans can serve any role in society. Drakons serve in the leadership roles, while the drayks and serviles take other roles of soceity. To be more accruate it should be called Drakon/Dryak/servile/rebel human soceity. As an indiviual I think it depends on 3 things 1 your point of view, 2 what feild you considering, 3 that specific indivuial. My main is that everyone gives to much credit to drakons you forget the role serviles and dryaks play. The rebellion is notjust the drakons. The drakons as a race are not cabale of standing alone. [ Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:12: Message edited by: Lord Safey ] -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, April 4 2007 01:05
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quote:Most revolution do bring chaos true. However most bring something else that make that tempory chaos worth while the rebellion does not. The drakons are becomeing the very shapers they seek to destroy. Not only will the be oppresive as the Shapers but they will lack their order and wisdom. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, April 3 2007 22:33
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I choose shapers because under their rule is peace and order. The rebellion just bring chaos (creation of the unbound is the only way the rebels can turn the tide in their favor) and they in my opinion haven gotten to far away from their views. I don't agree with the trakovites because people will find ways of mass destruction regardless of their technolgy (If I remeber correctly the awaken had trapped a powerful demon that was summoned not shaped into existance). Plus some shapeing secerts will always exist like that on suci island. What the trakovites want to do is what the shapers tried with suci island expect on a far larger scale with far fewer resources and we all know how that ended. [ Tuesday, April 03, 2007 22:35: Message edited by: Lord Safey ] -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, April 3 2007 22:06
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quote: quote:Well apparntly the drakons can't tighten their own bolts and they desperatly need them tighten. Since what they want(creating a second generation of Unbound) to get done is of extreme importance to them and they might be willing to do a mundane task that is normally beneath them. What ever that drakon wants that servile to do,he wants it done desperatly, the servile refuses to do it, and the drakon is incabale of doing it. Do not underestimate techincal support (I've noticed in the game npc serviles normally are the best mechanics) [ Tuesday, April 03, 2007 22:10: Message edited by: Lord Safey ] -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, April 3 2007 18:57
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considering that their is a picture of a serivle mechanic (has some type of tool in his hand) and an angry looking drakon glowering over a ruined creatiion vat to me at least it imples that they need the rest of the rebellion for their skill (directly in junction with the unbound). But lets for the sake of argument say they are not directly related the unbound would not exist with out the rest of the rebellion. Plus you underestimate the rest of the rebellion. Also noone has confronted my other point how is claim the drakons creation of the unbound make them superior different then if the USA claimed they where superior just because they had more nukes. If I made such a claim about the US ya'll flame me off the forums. [ Tuesday, April 03, 2007 19:00: Message edited by: Lord Safey ] -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, April 3 2007 13:47
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prehaps someone could provide a qoute I read it as the Drakons want to remake but couldn't because they need the rest of the rebellion. I never said that h umans where involved I said it might be a possibilty. I'm pretty sure dryaks and serviles where involved. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, April 3 2007 11:56
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2 things First the creation of the unbound do not make the Drakon society supieor. Thats like saying the fact the USA created more an better nukes makes us supeior to everone else. Second the unbound is a product of the Rebellion not the Drakons alone. If you read the trakovite ending where you destroy their equipment but still make one generation of Unbound you find out that the drakons can't make another generation because the rest of the rebillion refuses to help them. The reason you see mostly drakons and and few serviles is because the drakons kicked everyone else out when it came close to completion (rember Greta telling me that somewhere). So to be more accruate the unbound is the creation of the serviles, drayks, and possibly a few rebel humans. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Monday, April 2 2007 17:28
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As far as I am concern Drakons have proven they are equal to humans in almost aspects but one. There extrem arrogance. The Shapers intially had this arrogance but when they saw themselfs loseing the war at the begining they learned not to be so arrogant. Drakons are still arroganet despite their massive losses. You don't see this arrogance in most rebel humans, serviles, or dryaks. As far as I'm concered arrogance is the most crippling behavior qualtiy they have. From what I observed in game humans learn easier from arrogance then drakons. If they over came that flaw as a race I be willing to consider them equal to humans. About the unbound the reason I think the shapers don't have their own version is they don't want too. You always come accross the occasinal shaper lab that has some superpowered mad creation sealed in it. The fact that rebellion exist is because they made creations they couldn't control why would they create something superpowerful that they couldn't control? -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, April 1 2007 15:46
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I think they have they have the potential to b e equal to humans but their arrogance holds them back. If they over come their arrogance then yes. The shapers where extremly arrogant but they over came it enough to turn the tides Drakons can seem to do the same prehaps if we follow the shaper story the will. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Sunday, April 1 2007 15:15
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The main reason I think the human are supeior is that that drakons are loseing despite knoweldge of genes, suprise attack, and the use of forbiden shaping. They are loseing prehaps the shapers do have superior resoruces and man power but if they are superior shouldn't have they over come that espically consdiering the drakon geneforge and the advantage of suprise. The quailty that I beleive that gives humans superiority is they are more adaptable, creative, and able to work together better (emphasis and the word better). You see the same problems in drakons as in cansiter junkies, which is why I beleive they should be used sparingly. Unless they turn the tides I will beleive them inferior. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Friday, March 30 2007 11:28
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All creation where designed by humans the drakons merely improved upon them. The shapers found that existing creations weren't up to the challenge so they came up with newer more power creations. The drakons only answer is more power no creativity no adapting. Is this effect of infeior genetics or soceity forged by harsh conditions? I don't know but if they fail to change it they will fail. If they fail to change this regardless of the circumstances and I consider inferior. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, March 29 2007 18:47
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I'm not disputing the drakons have been through a lot and that their actions towards shapers be justifiable. What I question is their effectiveness as a soceity. Intellegent rebel serviles have formed soceitys that rival that of humans even though they where orgnial created to be completly depednt. Drakons have a tendency to be hermits and when they do live together they have huge wasteful political debates. No doubt humans do this as well but the amount of complaining I get from talking to Greta, Litiala and the stray drayk or two is that it is a much bigger problem for Drakons then it is for Humans or serviles. Prehaps in time if they surive they can grow to rival Humans are serviles but until then they as a soceity are inferior to Humans or even serviles. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, March 29 2007 11:21
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I think that drakons have the potential to be humans equals, though they have not lived up to that potential. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Thursday, March 29 2007 00:17
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nor do other lizards but does that make them superior? -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 16:17
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I have heard why they think humans aren't superior but their vages on what qualties Drakons do have that make them supeior. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, March 28 2007 15:54
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Those out their who think Drakons are superior? Why? -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |