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The point with the gene in the bones is that mutations can and do create new properties that can be beneficial or at least are not inherently descructive. In other words, not all mutations are harmful (not directly your claim, but closely related) and the second section shows that new info is indeed added contrary to your claim. Care to comment or would you be willing to refine your stance on genetics?

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As for the link not working, all I had to do was take off the last parentheses and I got it to work. From there you should be able to use the search engine.

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As far as old rocks, take any rock found to be in excess of 1 million years as shown by appropriate radiometric dating methods. How do you reconcile the existence of these isotopic ratios consistent with the decay rates and predicted theoretical models?

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You have a very naive view of what makes a good argument if you want to argue about radiometric dating by saying just saying its arguable and not presenting an argument.

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Personally, it's insulting that you dismiss this claim out of hand especially when I tend to know a lot about it.

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Could you please comment on your previous assertion that mutations can create no new genes in light of the documented evidence to the contrary.

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How do you justify things that are tested and found to be older than the Earth, then? What about fossils?

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Counting the lifetimes of the generations from Adam to the modern times gives you about 6000 years. So how do you come up with the 8,000-15,000 number?

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Yes, but, not 6,000 years ago more like 8,000-15,000 years ago.

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You mean you don't believe any of the evidence that the earth is older than that? They found rocks that were billions of years old. It's not arguable. It's cold, hard fact.

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And please don't give me any of that "to test our faith" stuff. Such poor reasoning causes my eyes to burn out of their sockets.

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Major, are you supporting hard creationism? Not ID? The "world was made 6000 years ago" theory?

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You know, the more I look at it, the more I just can't understand denial of evolution. Microevolution has become more or less a given even for creationists,

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but we've seen macroevolution happen too.

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The only defense left is that we've only seen evolution from bird to another bird or insect to another insect, not from insect to bird.

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That's irreducible complexity, which has already been deemed non-science.

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So you're rejecting the theory/"hypothises"/whatever simply because it contradicts your religious beliefs? Wow.

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What if I were to rephrase the offending statement as, "Come on you people should be able to distort a distorted theory wherein the stronger force the weaker to use their language."? There's absolutely no religion in there

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That is, of course, unless you believe in a religion which has a Creation story and which contradicts the theory of Natural Selection and also believe that the strong cannot influence the weak.

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No Offence Taken this idea was dreamed up by a friend of mine. I figured you people could put a spin on it but so far with the exception of Mung until not Mungible I've been disapointed. Come on you people should be able to distort a distorted natural selection theory.

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Alex's convey more insanity, so they clearly win.

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What the hell? Did Alex just get competition? [Eek!]

And good competition too...

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Nah. No offense, but Alex is still the undisputed comic drawer guy.

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Thoughts on this break through theory.

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YES PLESE MIKE A LIZ CUZE IT WULD BE VIRY HELPFIL AN LIKE KCOL. [Frown] [Embarrassed] [Big Grin] [Wink] [Razz] [Confused] [Eek!] [Roll Eyes]

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Do the shapers have the ability to shape plants? I mean beyond the turrets.

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lolz hi guzx wasup i ma n00b lozl!!

^Not a newbie?

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Don't worry. All GF3 traders have bottomless pockets.

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I really don't care how it is in one little isolated part of Oklahoma, it's nice, but irrelevant to the big picture. Sure, maybe where you live Native Americans are doing fine, but everywhere else things are horrible and that's what matters. They are far behind.

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For statistics, go to the US census bureau or do a literature search on the social sciences. See for yourself where people are outside of your bubble. There's a major problem, you may not see it day to day, but it's there and denying it does not help.

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"could be right" is an understatement. You are basing your statements on observation alone. Realize that observation is not the best way to ascertain knowledge as you have a very limited sample size.

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How much time have you spent on the reservations with the real people there?

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How many Native Americans do you know personally that would agree with your statements?

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I'm afraid you have a very naive view of the world. Poverty cannot be solved by money alone

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it requires a complete change in their society -- crime, drugs, alcoholism, poor education, lack of role models, depression, poor health, etc. These are all things that need to be solved before they have a chance of being back.

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Really? How many Native Americans or other minorities you know share that view?

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You come off as a person who has a very black and white outlook.

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One has to realize that they don't have every opportunity.

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Item number 4 has personally become very apparent to me. When I spent a few years helping out incoming engineering students, those that came from poor areas would be the most difficult. Statistically most would fail. Is it because they don't work or are not smart? Definitely not.

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They were at the top of their class, took the most advanced classes they had, but their school could not prepare them for college. An example is that most incoming engineers come in with some calculus. A lot of the students from poor areas didn't even learn trig yet because their school didn't even teach it.

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From what I've seen this thing is typical and only a small part of the problem. So how can you say that Native Americans, the worst off of all minorities has EVERY opportunity white males have? Virtually every statistic says otherwise.

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I never brought up the issue about whether or not they should or should not be assimilated, that's a different discussion.

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All I was saying is that Native Americans are so far behind the rest of America and comparatively little has been done.

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Oh, also, your posts are somewhat hard to understand, please use a grammar checker.

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Let's suppose we did as you say, make them full US citizens then what? Well, we're back to the same standing as African Americans but worse.

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If you can't name two African-American civil rights leaders, you probably don't know enough about history to be participating in this discussion.

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