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Lets hear about your editor mistakes in Blades of Avernum
Niemand
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 written Thursday, March 2 2006 19:31 Profile Homepage #22
I had a similar experience, not though not directly editor related, where had a script that was supposed to set off explosions randomly around wherever the party went, yet it only seemed to work in the NW and SE quadrants of the town. It took me several days of work to determine that my entire mistake was a line in the script, where I accidentally set the y coordinate for the explosion equal to the x coordinate, so that all of the explosions ended up distributed around the line y=x. In the end it was a little depressing when I realized what a small and stupid mistake it was.

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BUGS! in Blades of Avernum Editor
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 written Monday, February 20 2006 10:08 Profile Homepage #28
Ok, I get it then.

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BUGS! in Blades of Avernum
Niemand
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 written Monday, February 20 2006 10:08 Profile Homepage #28
Ok, I get it then.

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BUGS! in Blades of Avernum Editor
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 written Monday, February 20 2006 05:35 Profile Homepage #26
Perhaps I'm a bit slow, but is this the total number of creatures that were placed in the town using the editor, the total of all creatures alive in the town at the time, or what?

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BUGS! in Blades of Avernum
Niemand
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 written Monday, February 20 2006 05:35 Profile Homepage #26
Perhaps I'm a bit slow, but is this the total number of creatures that were placed in the town using the editor, the total of all creatures alive in the town at the time, or what?

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Invulnerability Bracelet? in Blades of Avernum
Niemand
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 written Monday, February 13 2006 16:16 Profile Homepage #1
It's quite near the end, and is demon's treasure. You must answer a riddle to get it, after you have killed the demon. I paid no attention to the details of the riddle and simply guessed the right answer on the second try, so you should have no trouble.

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Ranks in Blades of Avernum
Niemand
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 written Tuesday, February 7 2006 18:25 Profile Homepage #3
Our discussion of this a while back was here. Note the fact that there is then a further link to even more information.

I can't help but envision how we will one day have an endless chain of title threads, each one referencing its predecessor. . .

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Fort Monastery - iron bar quest in Avernum 4
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 written Thursday, February 2 2006 19:51 Profile Homepage #15
The Castle's zone script checks every turn to see if Starrus is alive. If he isn't, the script displays a note about you being captured etc. It also notes that the zone has become hostile. Interestingly, it looks like it will then take until the next running of the zone script's START_STATE for the party to be killed. So, you could get away with it, I think, if you killed Starrus, and then got far enough away, and stayed far enough away, in a single turn, that the Castle's script never got to run again. This is in fact quite far, I believe, since I have noted that scripts in Almaria begin to run when the party arrives in Camp Samuels by teleporter.

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xian stuff in The Avernum Trilogy
Niemand
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 written Tuesday, January 24 2006 19:50 Profile Homepage #7
The tome is useful. If I remember rightly; it helped me find a hidden item that I would not otherwise have found, because I never found that actual book that described the hiding place.

And of course, yay xian shrub!

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What will come after Avernum4 for Windows? in General
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 written Monday, January 23 2006 20:18 Profile Homepage #1
Jeff has alluded to an Avernum 5, but it seems unlikely that he would jump right into that directly after finishing A4, even if he really does decide to do it.

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Av3: Can I get back to the cult of the sacred item? in The Avernum Trilogy
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 written Monday, January 23 2006 05:40 Profile Homepage #1
I'm pretty sure that you get only one shot at that area. Sorry.

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run_town_script(); in Blades of Avernum Editor
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 written Wednesday, January 18 2006 12:44 Profile Homepage #15
From the BoA Editor Docs:
quote:
State 2 is automatically called by the game every turn the party is in the town. You can also write START_STATE as the number of this state.
I have never had a problem with this not occuring every turn, and is it really so critical that your message be displayed after exactly 10 turns? I have done this type of thing a number of times using the town script and it works fine.

One good reason to put your time checking code in the town script and not the scenario script is that it takes a bit of time to do the check, and so if you have a large number of checks, it can slow things down. So, it's better to have this happen only when you're in one town than through out the entire scenario. Besides, if the code applies to only that one portion of the scenario, it is a good idea to place it in the script that relates to that part of the scenario directly. That way the code easier to understand, maintain and alter.

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run_town_script(); in Blades of Avernum
Niemand
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 written Wednesday, January 18 2006 12:44 Profile Homepage #15
From the BoA Editor Docs:
quote:
State 2 is automatically called by the game every turn the party is in the town. You can also write START_STATE as the number of this state.
I have never had a problem with this not occuring every turn, and is it really so critical that your message be displayed after exactly 10 turns? I have done this type of thing a number of times using the town script and it works fine.

One good reason to put your time checking code in the town script and not the scenario script is that it takes a bit of time to do the check, and so if you have a large number of checks, it can slow things down. So, it's better to have this happen only when you're in one town than through out the entire scenario. Besides, if the code applies to only that one portion of the scenario, it is a good idea to place it in the script that relates to that part of the scenario directly. That way the code easier to understand, maintain and alter.

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Bassikhava glitch in Blades of Avernum
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 written Tuesday, January 17 2006 11:44 Profile Homepage #12
I think that I have located a bug in flyretreat which can lead to endless flying. According to the header information:

Cell 5 - Direction to fly north/south (0 is north, 1 is south).
Cell 7 - Direction to fly east/west (0 is east, 1 is west).

The states are labeled:

beginstate 6; // Flying north and east.
beginstate 7; // Flying south and east.
beginstate 8; // Flying north and west.
beginstate 9; // Flying south and west.

So if cells 5 and 7 are set to (0,0), state 6 should be exectuted, if (0,1), state 8, if (1,0), state 7, and if (1,1), state 9.

However, in state 10:
if (get_memory_cell(5) == 0){
if (get_memory_cell(7) == 0)
set_state_continue(6);
if (get_memory_cell(7) == 1)
set_state_continue(7);
}
if (get_memory_cell(5) == 1)
set_state_continue(8);
if (get_memory_cell(7) == 1)
set_state_continue(9);
}
So, it appears that the jumps to states 7 and 8 are switched, leading to catastrophe. The mix up seems to also be reflected in state 11.

EDIT: A good safety mechanism would be to replace the != checks in states 6-9 with > and < checks, so that if the flying somehow overshoots, it will stop. You could also store the distance from the goal space in a variable and abort if it is increasing instead of decreasing as it should.

[ Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:48: Message edited by: Niemand ]

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Bassikhava glitch in Blades of Avernum
Niemand
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 written Tuesday, January 17 2006 06:34 Profile Homepage #10
By experimenting, I have found that the problem seems to be if the party attacks the creature which has landed on the party member. There is and "Are you sure you want to attack a friendly creature" message, and if you go ahead, that party member becomes hostile. You can still control that party member in combat mode, but outside of combat, it will attack the party members next to it.

The problem is largely the game engine's fault. It is made possible by the flyretreat script's putting one creature on top of another, but I believe that the same hostile party member problem could occur from TM's Holy Warriors, who are even more likely to land on party members. The real trouble occurs because the game engine handles having two characters on the same space very poorly.

The flying forever effect is more problematic, becasue while it has happened to me several times, I cannot reprodue it consistantly, and I cannot begin to guess how it happens.

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Creature Script Problem in Blades of Avernum Editor
Niemand
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 written Saturday, January 14 2006 13:25 Profile Homepage #12
Yes, I'm sure that I once located and killed a gaurdian because it used a candle.

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Creature Script Problem in Blades of Avernum
Niemand
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 written Saturday, January 14 2006 13:25 Profile Homepage #12
Yes, I'm sure that I once located and killed a gaurdian because it used a candle.

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Creature Script Problem in Blades of Avernum Editor
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 written Saturday, January 14 2006 12:42 Profile Homepage #10
I wasn't aware of that, since I know that they could in A2. I can do without it though.

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Creature Script Problem in Blades of Avernum
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 written Saturday, January 14 2006 12:42 Profile Homepage #10
I wasn't aware of that, since I know that they could in A2. I can do without it though.

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Creature Script Problem in Blades of Avernum Editor
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 written Saturday, January 14 2006 11:28 Profile Homepage #8
I wanted to make the effect of a candle, so that it would appear that the creature was glowing. I can't think of any other way to do that than a light emitting item.

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Creature Script Problem in Blades of Avernum
Niemand
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 written Saturday, January 14 2006 11:28 Profile Homepage #8
I wanted to make the effect of a candle, so that it would appear that the creature was glowing. I can't think of any other way to do that than a light emitting item.

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Creature Script Problem in Blades of Avernum Editor
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 written Saturday, January 14 2006 08:27 Profile Homepage #6
Well, dang. I guess I'll think of something else. I can simulate two out of the three effects that I wanted, and I guess I'll just not have the third. The other settings for do_attack_tactic() certainly work; I have used those a great deal without difficulty.

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Creature Script Problem in Blades of Avernum
Niemand
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 written Saturday, January 14 2006 08:27 Profile Homepage #6
Well, dang. I guess I'll think of something else. I can simulate two out of the three effects that I wanted, and I guess I'll just not have the third. The other settings for do_attack_tactic() certainly work; I have used those a great deal without difficulty.

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Creature Script Problem in Blades of Avernum Editor
Niemand
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 written Friday, January 13 2006 21:19 Profile Homepage #2
First of all, I don't want the creature to just fire off its scroll or whatever the first turn after it is inited.
Second, I don't see what that will change, because do_attack_tactic(3) is being called, both when the creature transitions from the START_STATE to the attack state, and repeatedly in the attack state, the creature just chooses to do something other than using the item.
Third, I just tried it and it didn't work.

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Creature Script Problem in Blades of Avernum
Niemand
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 written Friday, January 13 2006 21:19 Profile Homepage #2
First of all, I don't want the creature to just fire off its scroll or whatever the first turn after it is inited.
Second, I don't see what that will change, because do_attack_tactic(3) is being called, both when the creature transitions from the START_STATE to the attack state, and repeatedly in the attack state, the creature just chooses to do something other than using the item.
Third, I just tried it and it didn't work.

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