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Originally written by Morgan:

That statement presumes you're working with a system that is of sufficient complexity that simplicity would limit its abilities.

The dialogue system for BoA is no such thing. Its like saying the invention of the typewriter limited the usefulness of words.

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Originally written by Morgan:

That statement presumes you're working with a system that is of sufficient complexity that simplicity would limit its abilities.

The dialogue system for BoA is no such thing. Its like saying the invention of the typewriter limited the usefulness of words.

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Originally written by Pilvilinnatar:

You don't even know the difference between a n00b and newb. Stand corrected! And just because you (claim to) have been here earlier, doesn't mean you're not a n00b. It's no excuse.

Also, Poju: Painu kuuseen.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Arenax, you missed Brett's point rather badly. The idea is that one could create a visually-oriented program that would then write script. The "state =" and "nextstate =" could be represented by lines connecting dialogue text.

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People who don't know how to script aren't necessarily identical to people who don't know how to write stories and develop interesting scenarios. The idea is that the process of scripting could be made easier, not that people would create scenarios without scripting.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Arenax, you missed Brett's point rather badly. The idea is that one could create a visually-oriented program that would then write script. The "state =" and "nextstate =" could be represented by lines connecting dialogue text.

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People who don't know how to script aren't necessarily identical to people who don't know how to write stories and develop interesting scenarios. The idea is that the process of scripting could be made easier, not that people would create scenarios without scripting.

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Originally written by Arenax:

Are you guys actively trying to get me not to do this?

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If you don't want any help/suggestions, than make your program any way you see fit and stop wasting people's time.

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Originally written by Arenax:

Are you guys actively trying to get me not to do this?

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If you don't want any help/suggestions, than make your program any way you see fit and stop wasting people's time.

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Originally written by m's avatar:

With an editor though it should be able to work like that. The interface would change the code that fixes the dialogue in place. I suppose that would be rather complicated but it is just an example....

Hmmm would you restrict it to just 100 nodes? or maybe 1000, or much bigger?

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Originally written by m's avatar:

With an editor though it should be able to work like that. The interface would change the code that fixes the dialogue in place. I suppose that would be rather complicated but it is just an example....

Hmmm would you restrict it to just 100 nodes? or maybe 1000, or much bigger?

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Originally written by From nether heats and burning waste:

Actually, that comparison doesn't work. Any designer (I don't qualify, but I've used both) will tell you that while BoA scripting may require a little more training, it is by far the "cleaner" tool, if by that you mean sensible structure, flexibility and adaptability.

Look at a BoE town. You have 50 nodes that are ordered by an invisible, unchanging index, not in the order they call each other. After some editing, each node will call another one in an impenetrable net of references and jumps.
How is that "easier" to handle than a BoA script, for anyone except someone designing an Ogre Territory? :P

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Originally written by Calm Ichneumon:

TGM has been around constantly for years, and most cheeses contain little or no lactose.

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Originally written by Walker, Texas Corpse:

Jesus. Do you have to be so defensive?

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In any case, wxWidgets doesn't require Gtk+ on Windows. As far as I can remember, wxWindows was out on Win32 before Gtk+ for Win32 existed.

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Regardless, even the Unix port doesn't make you do anything directly with Gtk+. That's why it's a cross-platform library.

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wxPython and XRCed together make a very fine rapid development platform. I see no reason why trivial applications like yours would take more than a week or two to implement with them.

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Originally written by Walker, Texas Corpse:

Jesus. Do you have to be so defensive?

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In any case, wxWidgets doesn't require Gtk+ on Windows. As far as I can remember, wxWindows was out on Win32 before Gtk+ for Win32 existed.

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Regardless, even the Unix port doesn't make you do anything directly with Gtk+. That's why it's a cross-platform library.

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wxPython and XRCed together make a very fine rapid development platform. I see no reason why trivial applications like yours would take more than a week or two to implement with them.

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And I'm sure you just glossed over that I didn't care to spend weeks doing it, but hey.

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And I'm sure you just glossed over that I didn't care to spend weeks doing it, but hey.

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Originally written by m's avatar:

Large Explosions? Where do you get those? If effective they are much better but when the offense breaks down, a good defense is a good thing. I just prefer not ever losing enough HP to even be near to death.

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Originally written by ^_^:

I wouldn't actually consider myself a newbie, dear member #5181.. Oh, unless you actually are a secondary account of a member who's been here longer than me (= your member number is less than 1098, and you're not a WELL known and member (ie. Kel, Aran, Stugie, etc.).

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Also, flaming The Misterhood is quite bad an idea. Things like that tend to cause massive flame wars, in which both sides get shot to pieces.

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The idea that you're entitled to tell people what to do is hilarious.

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I've ORDERED you to leave BoE forum, now? Learn to read. To SUGGEST ain't even close to ORDERING/FORCING in my dictionary.

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So, some cheese with the whine?

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Originally written by Walker, Texas Corpse:

I'll give you a few examples of how Javascript is useful. On Invision forums, there is a "Fast Reply" feature -- you hit a button, a little form pops out so that you can type a reply. If that was implemented with a roundtrip, it would take longer, especially considering the SQL queries, database connections, etc.

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GMail is another example. Its speed is already legendary. Why? Because for many operations, it doesn't query the server -- it does things locally with Javascript, only connecting to the server to save its status.

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Java applets are a messy way to handle things; they're entirely disjoint from the rest of the HTML document.

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Oh, and OpenOffice isn't written in Java. It has an optional Java VM included, but the application itself is primarily written in C++.

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If you're not using C++ as an OOP language, you aren't using C++ properly. Same with Python (but less so).

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As of April 2004, Pew research found that about 55% of adult Internet users have broadband access anywhere and about 40% have it at home. That's a good number, and it's been a few months since then. Even so, a conservative estimate still puts the number of sole broadband users at at least 40%. That is a substantial chunk of the market, and one that from anecdotal evidence I think won't shrink very much. You're getting down to the people who feel that their current dialup expenses are all they wish to pay.

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And, finally, maybe repeated POST requests are fine for YOU, but the server might think otherwise once you get a substantial user base. When you're getting a million+ pageviews a day, each request shaved off may be a significant drop in your load average and total traffic.[/QB]

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