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Shaper
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written Monday, November 15 2004 14:49
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Arenax, he said he wasn't going to do it. No need to be rude. While BoA is more powerful, the two engines are rather different. If you like the Exile engine and not the Avernum engine, then why switch to BoA? -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, November 15 2004 15:04
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(I did. I don't even have BoE anymore.) I'm trying to understand the mindset. If you're going to use buggy, outdated, inefficient, and clumsy tools--why are you trying to expand them to do things that fairly stable, up-to-date, (note I don't say anything about inefficient, JV's code frightens small children and gives passing dogs seizures), and pretty slick tools already do? It's especially funny when you suggest uses for this that can't be done. Square peg. Round hole. [ Monday, November 15, 2004 15:05: Message edited by: Arenax ] Posts: 262 | Registered: Thursday, November 11 2004 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, November 15 2004 15:10
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Well, I do like Exile, but the Avernum thing is not that bad. I have just been dabbling with Avernum 1 and I am having fun so far. I don't really want to "switch" I just want to "expand" a little. BoA is taking over as the big bully on campus and I would like to be a part of it while it is still a little fresh. I don't want to abandon BoE though. It just seemed, originally, cool to make some 3D graphics. At first, I thought it could be done with just 1 terrain space, and would just replace all the 2D graphics with the 3D ones and instantly have a 3D game. It obviously did not turn out that way. [ Monday, November 15, 2004 15:13: Message edited by: YooDoo Man ] -------------------- Wham Bam Shizam Posts: 247 | Registered: Monday, September 6 2004 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, November 15 2004 15:30
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quote:Hey, it was always worth a shot. I tried something similar a long time ago. If you're on PC, YooDoo, I've been working on software to make it easier for newbies to get into it. Get it here. [ Monday, November 15, 2004 15:31: Message edited by: Arenax ] Posts: 262 | Registered: Thursday, November 11 2004 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, November 15 2004 16:30
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Thanks Arenax. My original moniker was Wham Bam Shizam, so folks just call me WBS. I am having a little trouble unstuffing the file. I unzip it, and try to run the program, however, I get an error message. Do I need to put the program in the Avernum folder? -------------------- Wham Bam Shizam Posts: 247 | Registered: Monday, September 6 2004 07:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Monday, November 15 2004 23:02
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quote:Why do people climb Mt. Everest without oxygen? Why do people make robots out of junk? Why do people play RPGs without cheating? -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, November 16 2004 04:32
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BoE > BoA, actually. -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 103 | Registered: Sunday, August 15 2004 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, November 16 2004 16:02
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YooDoo: Nah, they should both go anywhere just fine. Thuryl: People do that stuff because it's more challenging. BoE is node-based. It does things for you. That's not a challenge. TGM: Keep drinkin' that koolaid. Posts: 262 | Registered: Thursday, November 11 2004 08:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Tuesday, November 16 2004 16:44
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The challenge comes in doing things that seem as if they can't be done, or doing things that can be done in a new way. For example, alchemy in BoE kind of sucks, because potions can be bought and most of their effects can be duplicated with spells anyway. In designing my soon-to-be-released scenario, I wanted the player to be forced to use alchemy, and so found a way to make it useful and indeed necessary. Creator also created a scenario (Areni) based around alchemy, and implemented it in a completely different way. Basically, the fun is in making things do things they were never really meant to do. It's a little like those guys who proved Minesweeper was Turing complete by implementing Boolean logic gates in it. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, November 16 2004 17:16
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Do you have a link on that? It sounds intriguing for a time when there is nothing to be done. [ Wednesday, November 17, 2004 05:48: Message edited by: m's avatar ] -------------------- "Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are false'." Posts: 564 | Registered: Wednesday, April 14 2004 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, November 16 2004 18:33
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The Minesweeper thing? Here: http://web.mat.bham.ac.uk/R.W.Kaye/minesw/minesw.htm -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, November 17 2004 03:48
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quote:This is the mindset that really doesn't make sense to me. You'd rather use tools that are, more or less, garbage (I mean more the BoE editor and less the game itself), to do "stuff that seem as if they can't be done," when you can just do them in something that is effective. ...Why? The "challenge" doesn't make sense; doing something well is a challenge I can see, but when you can do something far better using a system that isn't all that different, calling that a challenge seems rather quixotic instead. Posts: 262 | Registered: Thursday, November 11 2004 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, November 17 2004 04:56
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quote: quote:I'm not allowed to have a personal opinion? New members aren't required to COMPLETELY SCREW THEMSELVES UP here, you know. Just leave this Blades of EXILE forum, if the game, in your opinion, is sucky. Oh, in conclusion,  [added the pic, yay!] [ Wednesday, November 17, 2004 05:59: Message edited by: ^_^ ] -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 103 | Registered: Sunday, August 15 2004 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, November 17 2004 15:31
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quote:You're perfectly entitled to your opinion. But I am likewise entitled to my opinion of your opinion. So take a nice good look at that picture and see who it really refers to. Posts: 262 | Registered: Thursday, November 11 2004 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, November 17 2004 16:20
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TGM was merely trying to say that if you don't like BoE, don't come to the forum. Correct, TGM? I don't think he was whining Arenax. [ Wednesday, November 17, 2004 16:22: Message edited by: YooDoo Man ] -------------------- Wham Bam Shizam Posts: 247 | Registered: Monday, September 6 2004 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, November 17 2004 16:35
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Well it depends on which pic was being refered to. I think that it was the one calling Arenax a n00b which then got changed to the whiny one. But hey it was worth the chance to be able to reasonably defend TGM's actions for once. -?- -------------------- "Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are false'." Posts: 564 | Registered: Wednesday, April 14 2004 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, November 17 2004 18:20
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I didn't see the first pic, but even so, you can't really call TGM a noob. -------------------- Wham Bam Shizam Posts: 247 | Registered: Monday, September 6 2004 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, November 17 2004 18:26
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I guess it doesn't depend then but rather what Arenax said made more sense in the context of the first one. Back to the topic though it really is not the benefit of the challenge that is fun but the part where you overcome it no matter the reward. The reward just determines which challenges to take on- For really difficult things the motivation of a reward at the end does not motivate as much as the desire to beat the the challenge, at least for me -------------------- "Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are false'." Posts: 564 | Registered: Wednesday, April 14 2004 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Wednesday, November 17 2004 20:06
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Not to mention that BoA is ugly, the Avernum games are not fun, and buying BoA would put more money in Jeff Vogel's pocket that he does not deserve. Posts: 180 | Registered: Friday, October 15 2004 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, November 17 2004 22:02
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Arenax fails at both mockery and thinking. Suggesting you to leave a forum DEDICATED TO A GAME YOU DISLIKE AND KEEP ON DISSING isn't whining. [ Thursday, November 18, 2004 05:39: Message edited by: ^_^ ] -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 103 | Registered: Sunday, August 15 2004 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Friday, November 19 2004 05:40
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quote:I like BoE perfectly well. It was great for its time It's just that it's become rather worthless in comparison to BoA. The idea that you're entitled to tell people what to do is hilarious. (And for the record--I was referring to both pictures. TGM is a newbie, and he's also a whiner.) Posts: 262 | Registered: Thursday, November 11 2004 08:00 |
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written Friday, November 19 2004 05:54
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I wouldn't actually consider myself a newbie, dear member #5181.. Oh, unless you actually are a secondary account of a member who's been here longer than me (= your member number is less than 1098, and you're not a WELL known and member (ie. Kel, Aran, Stugie, etc.). Also, flaming The Misterhood is quite bad an idea. Things like that tend to cause massive flame wars, in which both sides get shot to pieces. quote:I've ORDERED you to leave BoE forum, now? Learn to read. To SUGGEST ain't even close to ORDERING/FORCING in my dictionary. So, some cheese with the whine? [ Friday, November 19, 2004 05:54: Message edited by: ^_^ ] -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 103 | Registered: Sunday, August 15 2004 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Friday, November 19 2004 06:09
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quote:I was around about six years ago as Arenax. I was here when Akhronath and Aceron were around; I was around Malkeera well before SW opened its boards. quote:And that bothers me...why? quote:Are you not telling others what to do? Ordering and suggesting are both telling others what to do.quote:I've ORDERED you to leave BoE forum, now? Learn to read. To SUGGEST ain't even close to ORDERING/FORCING in my dictionary. quote:Sorry, lactose-intolerant. Posts: 262 | Registered: Thursday, November 11 2004 08:00 |
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written Friday, November 19 2004 06:15
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On sedond thought, nothing. Let the man keep his dreams. ^^ [ Friday, November 19, 2004 10:50: Message edited by: Ei Kiinnosta ] -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 103 | Registered: Sunday, August 15 2004 07:00 |
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written Friday, November 19 2004 12:51
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TGM has been around constantly for years, and most cheeses contain little or no lactose. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |