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A Hypothetical in General
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Aran- the kid is too far for you to reach, he's at an angle which you can shoot him at to affect his direction, and the only places that you can hit him in are the only ones that will get him out of the way of the button. Basically, shoot him or let 10% of the world (perhaps including yourself) die.

Now what if the button was reduced to 5%? Would you shoot the kid?

2.5%?

1%?

0.5%?

0.25%?

Under the last example, at least 15 million people still die. Is it worth killing the child? What about 0.001%? That's 60,000.

For those that would kill him- where would you stop? If the button killed two random people, would you shoot him? What about five? Would you have to know the kind of people you're saving, or would you shoot him based on principle alone? (Or would you kill him even if it only saved one?)

For those who wouldn't kill him- what if the button would end 50% of the world? 75%? What if the button slowly tortured everyone on the planet until they passed out after unbearable pain and died a slow, painful death? The child would still be innocent, though- so what if everyone except for 144 survived? Would you chance it and let the child live?

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quote:
Originally written by The Creator:

we aren't actually disagreeing on anything.
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Does not compute.

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A Hypothetical in General
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I'm laughing not at the responses, but merely at Gorzax 'cuz Gorzax is an obnoxious name. Sorry. ¬_¬ Saunders: this scenario assumes that you get hurled back to your time after ~10 seconds.

Now let's assume also that Gorzax has a step-brother named Joe in clear shooting range. He's 5 years old, and is eventually executed for being too nice. He's an angel. Unfortunately, the gunshot from killing Gorzax startled Joe into stumbling backwards towards a giant, conveniently placed "blow up 10% of world" button. The child won't be able to avoid the button in his own power, but a bullet would certainly take him out of the way... (Keep in mind- the 10% of the world destroyed may include you!)

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A Hypothetical in General
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Not that I care in the slightest about ethics, but how about this:

You use a time machine (which will magically erase the paradox of using it- let's disregard the space-time continuum for a bit) to show up when Gorzax, a dictator who has already killed 99.5% of the world population and will come after you and your family within the week, is rising to power. Instead, you wind up in his nursery. If you let Gorzax live, you and your family as well as the rest of the world will all die. Kill him or not?

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Use .gif. JPEG murders graphics, but .gif usually retains what you need.

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Targeting Scripts in Blades of Avernum
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Use .gif. JPEG murders graphics, but .gif usually retains what you need.

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The Community Is Criminally Ignorant: A Study in Blades of Avernum
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Creator, this ain't the time to be arguing this case. (Hell, sometimes oldbies are treated worse than newbies- Djur got banned for quoting a definition.) Oldbies get more slack- well, no duh. But I was banned once as well (although only for a week, where anyone else would be banned). It's not like punishment never happens.

That aside, this is the first instance of blatant racism combined with flaming that I have ever seen. This is an anomaly in its repulsiveness.

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Vale Infestation in Blades of Avernum
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They usually do that on their own.

This was only a *real* problem in GF2.

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Vale Infestation in Blades of Avernum
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This is why the script "groupnpc" was made.

Why Jeff doesn't use this, I'll never know.

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A Hypothetical in General
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"Unethical" is spelled thusly.

PS- The "what if" argument, outside of the vacuum of religion, loses alot of steam if you assume that there are no reprecussions. Hell, if killing somebody adds 10 people to my life or anybody else's of whom I liked, I'd kill a hundred times until I or he/she got bored of living.

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To Slay A Dragon. (RP) in General
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(OOC: Not to intrude, but you sorta don't know enough about the gal to be "linked" with her. If your character was any different, I wouldn't allow it, but as it stands, I'll let it go. And I can tell you for a fact that she would not have killed your mother or sister. I suppose it makes sense in this instance, but still... And BTW, Darixen's wounds ain't black, they're normal, except his blood is glowing slightly is all. This isn't a condition you can get rid of.)

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The three, Rivartate, Josei and Seele the priestess, were walking down a forested path. "Neumacht..." said Rivartate, slightly irritated. It stopped.

"What is it?" asked Josei. She was perplexed at the sudden interjection, as was Seele.

It scowled and said, "You ejected it to become who you are. I know that you don't remember this, nor do you remember Daggerhome or Adam or anyone else, but it has regained consciousness and is looking to hunt you down. I pray you know how to defeat it, Neumacht."

Josei gave a look of confusion and scratched her head. "What do you mean? I ejected what?" she asked in befuddlement.

Rivartate shook its head. "We were traveling to hunt down Adam's simulacra, but with her there, we cannot possibly win. We must go north."

Seele interjected. "But nothing lies north of here, save for the endless plains of tundra and steppes! We will surely die."

Rivartate grinned. "Priestess, we will persevere, I guarantee it. We have free passage deep into the realms of Daggerhome."

"Daggerhome again!" shouded Josei. "What is this Daggerhome? Where is it? And why should I care?"

"The northern tip of the world is the top of a majestic tower. That is the gate which leads into Daggerhome. We will descend below the ice, below the floor of the ocean, and further into darkness where the only glow will come from ourselves. We will reach the core of the planet. We will find Adam's source of power and steal it, and we will rule fairly. Do you understand?" said Rivartate, fully aware that they did not and disappointed by it.

Seele stared absentmindedly. Josei nodded with an equally blank expression. Rivartate chuckled. "No use for you to know everything now," said it, "but we must adjust our course. This upcoming fork in the road will lead us north. We will privateer a ship in the port city on this isle's coast and we will make our way for the north pole."

The two women proceeded blindly with no idea where they were going, while Rivartate led them on merilly. Off they went to the not-too-distant city of Weldtgrenze in the province of Abbau.

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"I must stop them. They will wage war on Daggerhome, and unless I can bring more strong men into my fold as quickly as possible, it will all be for naught. They will slay their dialectic dragon and prosper with its metaphysical spoils, but only if they move quickly. I must get as many as close to the core as I can before they reach it."

[ Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:54: Message edited by: Roger Fickmann ]

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A Hypothetical in General
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Alorael brings up a good point- which is why I'd frame somebody.

And maybe bribe the jury, if I were feeling devious.

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A Hypothetical in General
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Assuming that I truly can get away with it, anyone's fair game. Hell, depending on how much I liked the guy/gal, I may not even limit it to strangers.
(Of course, this assumes that there's anyone I like. Not sure about that one, which probably leads to my totally immoral response.)

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DWTD - stuck in Blades of Avernum
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You can't go back. Technically you can re-enter Khoth's Fortress if you cheat, but you can't get out from the other side.

If you're having trouble with DwtD, play EM.
Seriously. All of your problems will disappear.

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Always look on the bright side of life... in General
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You make-a me so sad.

;-;

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3D Graphics in Blades... in Blades of Exile
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I will be blunt- not even remotely worth it. You'd burn up so many nodes so quickly that you couldn't get anything done.

One thing I can see happening is this- towns can have two "portions," an outdoors and indoors setting, wherein the outdoor section has the walls put up and roof terrains making 3d buildings, with the indoors section using regular old 2d displays.

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Always look on the bright side of life... in General
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http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3

The lyrics are profane and will not be repeated here, so be warned.

[ Saturday, November 06, 2004 19:42: Message edited by: Imban ]

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Marcelo- This guy was given multiple warnings by BK before. Like, more than one. And then he goes around telling people to kiss his ass, screw themselves, etc., and he begins to spew out blatantly racist comments.

Let's hope he doesn't come back.

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Halloween Costumes in General
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I preferred Stug's friend (mostly 'cuz the moustache- ps, this is how you spell it- is scary), but both are good. Insomuch as "good" can be read as "self-stabbingly godawful."

PS- Rosy, I knew I recognized those glasses from somewhere!

IMAGE(http://www.ezydvd.com.au/g/i/p/3447.jpg)

[ Saturday, November 06, 2004 18:19: Message edited by: Roger Fickmann ]

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Arafat dead? in General
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Zing!

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Arafat dead? in General
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Ben, there are terrorists operating inside of this country. There are terrorists here, in France, in Britain, Germany, China, everywhere. They may vary in numbers, but they aren't necessarily there because they're wanted.

(Now you could begin drawing exceptions with Saudi Arabia and Iran- but that's about it. And mouthbreather, if you mention Iraq, you might as well replace it with "bend over, lib- time for more inaccuracies")

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To Slay A Dragon. (RP) in General
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"Well. I never expected this. But if those people wish to help me more than I had previously anticipated, more power to me, I suppose."

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"Woman, you look like a vampire in that cloak. Why do you pray?"

The woman showed her pale white fingers as she pulled down the hood of her robe, revealing her pale white face. "Why are there no men here?"

The priestess canted her head and braced her waist with a frail arm and scowled. "Men hold nothing as being holy anymore. Is it weak of us to pray, ma'am?"

A frail being, lithe by emasculation and ematiation, skirted over to the two of them. "You know, I know how to change things. I can help you. I want to change things." The woman in black seemed shocked.

"You. You and I, we are of the same skin. I thought I was the only one." She reached out a hand to touch him. It stretched its hand out, but let her grasp it. It was neither an apparition nor a beast. It was a gentleman, thought she.

"My name is Rivartate. You, I presume, are the Cavern Knight?" She nodded in complete astonishment. It shook its head and said, "It is not a name fitting to you. You will be called Neumacht Josei." She scratched her head. It chuckled. "Don't ask me to explain. Just follow me."

She stopped and let go of him. "Are there any others like us two out there?" asked she. It nodded. "There is Adam." She nodded. "So that's the name of the one with the club." It raised an eyebrow in confusion. "The one with the club? Adam must want you dead badly to have created simulacra. And understandably so, since you have discovered yourself so early. I had always assumed that Daggerhome would not be so careless... But that's neither here nor--"

The priestess interjected. "What are you two saying? Please, inform me." Both of them turned towards her and took a good look into her eyes. Josei frowned out of pity, but Revartate smiled with ambition. "You. Are you skilled in the clerical arts?" asked Revartate. She nodded.

"Irony makes the sharpest edge. Come with me and men will be holy again." She nodded feebly. It put a hand on her shoulder and smiled at her before turning towards the exit with her in tow. Josei followed shortly thereafter. The Cathedral was closed.

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"It is time to fight Daggerhome and defend history from the nihilists. All things will come to a circle, and when they do, I will be at its core. I will rule."

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If these work, I will be pleasantly surprised.

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If these work, I will be pleasantly surprised.

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Undead Valley Testing Version 8.0 Released in Blades of Avernum
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I was merely pointing out that there is ALWAYS another bug.

It happens to everyone.

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