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The trouble with democracy is every idiot gets a vote. in General
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(Triple posting. I'm going to hell)
(This is very very bad. And I'm self-indulging too much. I will gladly accept the punishment. I know this is a forum for games and not this. But. . . now that I started. . . I'll go to the gallows when the time comes)

PDV was now militarized for all intents and purposes, the highest ranking managers, VP and so on were military men.
The president was a military man.

The next months were a mess. Chavez strenghten his hand over several laws. But it was still, let's say, tolerable.

The CD continued to call people to March, as that was the only thing that it seemed to know how to do.

Verbal assault from one side of the ring to the other and vice-versa.

Internationally, no one could make or tails of what was going on.

I mean, if Chavez was such an ogre, why could all TV stations and Newspapers say whatever they wanted?!
Isn't freedom of expression on of the thermometers of a free society, and its supression one of the sure-fire signs of dictorships?

Journalists came from all over the world and couldn't get it.

Well. Chavez has always maintained, specially once you cross the Caribbean, or the borders with Brasil and Colombia, an impecable image of a democratic man.
One with populists ideas, sure.
He has never hidden the fact that he admires Castro.
That Chavez cannot make up his mind whether to call him brother or father (his words)
He is against globalization. A cute and popular stand to take.
That he wants to create for Latin America something akin to the EU.
That he wants to strenghten the independence of the Latin American market.
He has helped Bolivia (he appeared next to the President of Bolivia when he took office, both from the Presidential house, in the balcony, waving at the Bolivian people)
Sure he was pals with Saddam Hussein, but Irak is a big oil producer, right? Makes sense.
And so on and so forth.
Just another clown with clownish ideas which may or may not come to fruition.

For December of 2002 the CD came up with the following brilliant idea:
Let's do another National Strike. To force him to resign, of course.

Oy.

It began in the first week of December.
It began with PDV.
On a Thursday, if I remember correctly, either that or a Tuesday, a few of the PDV workers went to one of the PDV buildings to march and protest.
Not too many. A few hundred. My sister-in-law and my nephew where there.

The NG came. The NG bombarded them with tear gas, beated some with their sticks (all of this appeared on TV). The NG did their duty.

This incensed people again. But worse than in April because, well, the pot boils and it has to explode.

The Strike got worse. More businesses closed. Mostly Chavista businesses and a few multinational enterprises didn't. But they were few and far between.

(It was a Tuesday!)

Because on Wednesday one of the Oil tankers, the. . . heck what was its name. Some of them have Misses Names. She was a Miss World from the seventies. AGH! Well. That Oil Tanker refused to touch soil. It threw anchor in the bay a few kilometers from the coast.

This was a big sign.

Soon other tankers followed. Until all of them did.

The Strike continued. Things got progressively worse.

Then on December 6th, which was a Friday, something happened.

A few months before, back in October, some of the biggest names from the military leadership appeared on TV again.
Some faces were familiar from those who had taken and given away.

They placed themselves under a kind of special disobedience, a civil disobedience kind of thing but which they could do even being military personnel.

They went to a Plaza which is, coincidentally, three or so blocks from where I live and I'm writing this.

They took the plaza and called, dramatically, the Plaza of Liberty.

(The plaza is in a county whose mayor is not Chavista. Most of the governors and mayors are Chavistas with very few exceptions)

That night of December 6th a lot of people had gathered in the Plaza. This had been a common occurence since that day in October.

I was gonna go, was actually getting ready to do so, finishing doing somethin on some game on the computer.

My mom (I live with my folks, I am old enough to be independent, but here in Venezuela this is NOT frown down upon, in fact, it is expected and not a big deal. Things are way too expensive) called me.

A few crazy guys had reached the Plaza and were killing people left and right.

Result: one was arrested.
29 wounded
And. . . 3 died. A professor from the same university I teach on (he taught chemistry) a young girl of 17 and an old lady.

(Oh, I forgot! After Chavez returned from his "vacation" in April, there was a looting of some parts of the city. Mostly small business. Call it a "gift" for his followers if you will. The police was nowhere to be seen. Much less the NG who I guess, have better things to do. This lasted 3 days.)

The man, called Joao, was later on released, he was called by Chavez himself in TV, publicly, a hero of the revolution.

Oh, remember those guys who had shot some people from the bridge. They were "judged" They were released. A couple of them (those whom you saw more in the video) were sent to Cuba by Chavez himself who also, in TV, publicly, called them heroes of the revolution.

(Agh!)

The strike continued. MArches. Chavez was moving himself like crazy finding food where could, buying it from Brazil and Colimbia (who I have to guess where rather happy)

The lines for Gas were enormous.

Oil Tankers came from Brazil and other places to supply us whith what little gas we got.

Nothing happened. Every day we all sat to see the leaders of the opposition, those from CD and its affiliates, to see if they could give us good news.
March again tomorrow.
Fine.

And nothing happened.

Cesar Gaviria was in town. He was the president of the OEA (in English, AAS, I think, Association of American States. (LATIN America and NORTH America for you Union fellows :) ))

You see a Group of Friends was formed. He was there, some presidents from other countries. A Dialogue Table was Opened. So both sides could sit and talk over their difference.

I pity them all.

Because nothing happened.

Another huge confrontation took place in Janurary (now I'm forgetting the date. First week) (big day for us, since on that day Perez Jimenez the dictator who came before the 40 years of demoracy was banished)
More people died.

Oh, and in some of those marches we had, the NG appeared. Sometimes with gas, other times they left us alone. Sometimes they shot blanks, sometimes they didn't. Sometimes they beat people with sticks and those electric gizmos, sometimes they didn't. Status quo.

Basically, we could march anywhere we darned pleased.

But the downtown was off limits. Sorry. That ain't a part of the cities we oligarchs are allowed in.

There was a march where we tried to go to the Pantheon where Bolivar's body was to celebrate his death (celebrate, should it not be mourned? respecy maybe?) A woman. ONE woman was allowed in with a bouquett of flowers. Many NG and military personnel, tanks (well, not tanks the urban tanks that are a mixtures between a tank and hommer (we called them tanquetas))and many many men with guns were all there to ensure we didn't misbehave.

On the first week of January it was different.

We wanted, doggone it, to go to the Proceres avenue (Proceres = forefathers)to show our respect (well by this time this is trite. It was a power struggle, a battle, a war if you will, making to the place would be a triumph for us. Strategic? Ideological? You pick.)

We didn't make it far. The NG stopped us good. This time the bombardment of tear was abysmal.
Also, on the other side the Chavistas were shooting. But the NG seemed to be ignoring them, sometimes they fired a cannister or two.

Most people went back home. Others stayed. It got bad. A lot wounded, one died.

Finally, entropy embraced the strike and it was over.

On February we did a HUGE signature event. We were signing to demand that Chavez resigned and for other things as well.
This was something we could do.
The CONSTITUTION ALLOWED US!!!!

We were signing, basically, asking for elections, asking for a referendum.

The strike ended.

Chavez controlled the monetary exchange.
You wanted dollars, sorry. Your company wanted them, needed them? Well. Maybe. Wait and see.

The black market erupted. Things got really really bad economically.

Oh, and 25000 or so PDV workers were fired for having joined in the strike.
The constitution allows for civil protest.
But, again PDV forms part of the government so they have a right to fire whom they want, right?

So, what about those missions and things he has done to help people?

Let me tell you.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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AGGGH! I've just quit Netscape with an unfortunate pressing of keys. Write this again. Agh.
(sorry about the double posting.)

On Thursday April 11th there was a huge march 500 thousand plus, maybe close to a million, of people who went to Miraflores, our White House, to demand Chavez's resignation.

Like a good little patriot boy, I've gone to most of these.
We don't do much in them. Carry flags. Walk. Sing.

However the NG is always there. Many times making sure we don't behave badly they throw tear gas at us.
I've been subjected to some of it. Sucks.
The cannisters, most of them, expired way back in 1993. And the warning on them clearly states that using them after the expiration date is dangerous.

Anyway, on that particular march there wasn't anything like that.

In fact it was all going great. . .

. . . then I heard gunshots, or what seemed like that. I was kind of far from where it happened, but also kind of close. Good echo in that street.

What happened I later learned when I arrived home.

Chavistas on the Laguno bridge (so called because that's the name of the street it's on) were shooting at the marchers!

Some snipers on buildings were doing the same.

The marchers, all of us, were marching across a big street, one of the widest in the city.
They were shooting using the facade of a building as a cover.

Result: 100+ wounded, 90% or so marchers were wounded. 21 dead. I forgot the number, but I belive 20 were marchers, if not all.
It has been known since as the Massacre at Laguno Bridge.

It gets better.

Chavez had forbidden TV helicopters to fly and film the marches. But some TV station had placed cameras at different buildings.
Between those and, later on, videos made by civilians in the apartments of the surrounding buildings, we could ALL see what had happened.

The best part is this: The TV stations transmitted the killings as they were taking place!

Chavez, in his preternatural sagacity, decided at that moment to do a Chain.
In it he expressed how everything was ok. How the march was going ok. How nothing was happening.
Nothing to see here folks, move along.

But, you see, an enterprising genius from one of the stations split the screen. On one side you could see the president talking, on the other you could see, as it happened, the shootings.

Oh, and yeah. Some marchers carried guns and shot back. Not many though, most of them ran away for cover as soon as things got nasty.

Now, I should point out there are two versions of this incident on tape.
One is the one that was filmed, live, while it happened.
The other can be seen in the movie "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" which is the chavista version of the events of those few days.

I side with the former. But, I am indeed biased.

Anyway.
That night, the Heads of the military branches appeared on TV.
The demanded that Chavez resigned.

Chavez did not appear.

Some conjectures ran amok. Where was he? Was the Chain pre-taped and placed at that time as a kind of signal for the shooters to being doing their thing? What was going on?

Later on Lucas Rincon, at the time the Minister of Defense (he was for a while the head of the Supreme Court, he is going to have a new post, and now, the head of the Electorial National Center will be the head of the Supreme Court. Yeah. I know) read a communique. In it he read that Chavez had resigned.

Hmmm.

Later on we found out Chavez had been arrested.

That night Carmona Estanga, the head of FEDECAMARAS (which is the federation under which all private business are united.) was named Interim President.

Now, the guy was a business man. No more no less. His political knowledge was non-existent.
The only reason, apparently, why he was chosen is that he was identified with the Opposition more than anyone else.

You see the opposition, polititcally speaking, is formed of: CD (Coordinadora Democratica, the poptpurri of the old parties, the CTV Centro de Trabajadores de Venesuela (which the association which unites all the syndicates) and FEDECAMARAS. So a little bit of everything. Too many hands for that cake.)

Since Carmona was the most visible member of it, he was named I.P.

First mistake. That very night, intoxicated with political naivete and triumph he announces the country was going to get back its original name.
Republica de Venezuela.
(Now we are called Republica Bolivariana de Venezuela) All about Chavez's Bolivarian Revolution harkens back, one way or another, to Bolivar. Big surprise there.

Why?! Oh seven bloody hells. It just got worse.

You see, on Friday the 12th, the main principals who would have formed the I.G were named. All. I mean ALL where White Men.
I mean by that either industrialists or fairly influential people on that area.
Where were the representants of the people?
Where was the head, or at least a high ranking memeber from the CTV? No syndicates on the committee? BIG MISTAKE.
Where was the former Chavista? Tabula rasa? Of a bunch of people who had been in government for a few years?! Just like that?!

Calamitous mistake.

Bunch of things happened.

Saturday comes and the same head of the military branches who had appeared on Thursday night appeared again.
Chavez was coming back. Not too many explanations.

What they had taken away, they had returned.

Note: Remember that Chavez was one of the people involved in the military coup of 1992. That one failed. He ran away and hid. He is, was, has always been and always will be a coward. Biased as this may sound, I will say it nonetheless.

Chavez, since being elected president in 1998 has made sure to treat the Military rather well. Even though, there has been, for a few years now, restlessness in the barracks. So to speak.

You see, he began okay. As this things go. But as his regime progressed, his shennanigans became more and more annoying. The fact that he insisted on wearing military dress everywhere he went irked quite a few of the military people. Finally he was forced to stop doing so. The fact that he has been doing all the stuff he has done, has also vexed quite a few.

But, among other things, he has made sure to give them even more benefits than the ones military personnel already had in this country.

You see, here in Venezuela there have been, traditionally, three groups of paumpered people:
PDV workers.
Military men (a few women. very very few)
Landowners.

Chavez initiated the Plan Bolivar 2000 which was basically a way to give them more power.

Maybe this heads of the branches were scared. The I.G seemed way too business-men oriented. Maybe they saw their heads rolling and their pockets emptying.

Who knows?

What happened happened. And that was simple:

On Saturday night, Chavez returned.

On Sunday, on a table with his cronnies by his side, the Vice President embraced Chavez, and with that embrace Chavez recovered the Executive power.

So you see. It definitely involved the military. Big time. It definitely involved business people and private interests.

But, another possibility, was it all a Auto-Coup?

Those who know are not talking.

But was is true is that since that moment, things here got worse.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Hi!
Alec, as for the coup.
It happened on April 11th 2002. Here's a brief story of how it happened (it was convoluted, complicated, a whole terrible mess that one, to this day, can even possibly describe in good objective terms.)
I'll try to describe what I witnessed, and will try to keep my assumptions to a minimun.

A brief background.
PDV (petroleos de Venezuela) is our oil company.
You see, as opposed to other countries what you find in your land is not yours. It is the state's.
As such, oil belongs to the state.
Once upon a time there were a myriad of oil companies (Shell, Exxon, Mobil, etc.) who worked this oil privately with a little help from the state.
However, after a struggle that I know too little to even try to describe, many of these oil companies were kicked out. PDVSA (Sociedad Anonima) was formed.
Nowaydas you may find some foreign oil companies such as ExxonMobil, Sincor, and others, however they all work with the permission of the state, and, as far as I know, they don;t really extract oil. They have gas stations, but the oil itself (the raw material if you will) belongs to the state.

All good and well. Even though a part of the government, PDV was separate, in that its money could not be used to, say, financed a president's campaign.

In April 7th (Sunday) Chavez, on his Sunday program (every Sunday (I think it was cancelled once, maybe twice) Chavez speaks for a few hours in the State channel. This is called "Alo! Presidente"
During that program he fired several executives , all of them high ranking, from PDV.
The way he did it was with classic Chavez histrionism: Using a whistle he would say that each of them had stroke out, "yeeeer out!" like in Baseball, a sport he profeses to love.

This didn't sit well with people in what is nominally called "The Opposition" (a rather misnomer of, basically, anybody who opposes. Politically it includes a rather mismatch group of different political parties, from MAS which is leftist, to Accion Democratica, which lends towards the right and used to be one of the major parties of the country (though not a bi party system in paper, Venezuela proved to be in theory, of the number of Presidents we had in the 40 years of democracy, 3 were from COPEI (another right-oriented party) and the rest from AD. Whether any of them did good or not is arguable. I don't any did, but that's just me.)

Anyway, the climate by that April 7th 2002 was heated. People were beginning to protest publicly the government of Chavez. There had been a march or two. We've had a national strike of a day, but not a major one.

PDV is a bit of a double edged sword in this country. On the one hand it is (well, let's say was, now it's basically a Chavista company, but more on this later) our major form of income. On the other, in my mind and some others' at least, one of the many mistakes of our country since, I believe, it should be private/governmental and not completely and altogether governmental.

So, when those executives were fired, specially in such a humiliating way, only to be substituted by people who were handpicked by Chavez. That's fact that is documented.

Monday the reply came. We went marching.

(Aside note: like a true patriot I've been in about 90% of the marches that we've had in the last few years. Carrying my flag and singing songs. I've been subjected to tear gas, more on this later. Thankfully, that is the extend of it. Just a bit of nausea.)

The National Guard, as usual, went to the streets.
It is understandable that in a democratic country the NG is there to ensure the safety of its citizens.
I want to know why they bombard peaceful protesters with tear gas, which, I may add, the canisters had, many of them, an expiration date of 1993 and a very clear warning that if used later than that the effects could be worsen.
Their presence there, in the march, SHOULD be to ensure we do not engage in violent behavior. Not to provoke and injure us, willy-nilly.

On Monday another thing came into effect. A national strike of sorts. Not quite as big as the one to come, but bigger than the one from December 2001 (the one mentioned earlier which lasted a day. Oh: What was that one for? One of Cahvez's Ideas: Ley de Tierras (Law of Land) Basically he said that a number of meters from the sea to the shore belonged to the State and any private residences, buildings, resorts, etc, which fell on that area belonged to the Government. When you take into account we are a largely Coastal land, you get the picture. But it went futher, he also stated that an area of land from a Farm also belonged to the state (where he professed to place people to live in, since, according to him, landowners where rich selfish bastards who took land away from the poor) This Law, thankfully, went nowhere)

Back to April 2002.
Monday we marched, and Tuesday and Wednesday, and Thursday.

Thursday 11th 2002 something funny happened.

This on the next post. This is very long.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Speculation about "that door"...? in Geneforge Series
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Cool. Will wait. Yeah, the Valley looks rather successful, neat.

Oh, and to mention something topic oriented:

Behind the door is an angry and mean-looking Grah-Hoth with a fire axe screaming maniacally "Hereeeeeee's Hothy!!!"

Oy vey.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga)
Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00
Speculation about "that door"...? in Geneforge 2
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Cool. Will wait. Yeah, the Valley looks rather successful, neat.

Oh, and to mention something topic oriented:

Behind the door is an angry and mean-looking Grah-Hoth with a fire axe screaming maniacally "Hereeeeeee's Hothy!!!"

Oy vey.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Whats your favorite in The Avernum Trilogy
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I'm boring and my post to explain why I am is pointless.
I stop playing and pick another game.
Told you.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00
I was playtesting my scen, and something really cool happend. in Blades of Avernum
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Terry Jones interfered with your scenario. Or maybe just Tim Robbins.
Got no other logical explanation.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Favorite Scenario in Blades of Avernum
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Also, TM, in DwtD why couldn't I do something to tarnish that Lord's name? I could do his bidding, get rid of the vampire. Fine. Or do the vampire's bidding and get rid of the lord. Fine. And if I criticized the lord too much got the entire town against me and had to kill them all. Fine, happy to oblige. But whay not the fourth, seems to me logical point, say enough things to actually get people to, by their own accord, get rid of that pesky lord.
Agh.
I still enjoyed it, though. I enjoyed all four. I'm a wuss and like anything with the that freaky spider in the title screen.

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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down with the world of avernum in General
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David, TGM. I can't really debate your point too much, but. . . come on guys, Dangermouse! I mean first we got the Secret Squirrel and then Dangermouse. A mouse with a patch! He;s the Greatest! He's the Ace! He's Amazing!
And Count Duckula. Lost in the darkest of the darkest recesses of Transylvania comes a Vampire DUCK!!!!!
Can't say much about Thundercats though. Didn't care for them much.
And Batfink!!! BATFINK!!!
Your bullets (nor mine for that matter) couldn't harm him because his wings were like a shield of steel!
Not to mention that funky BEEEP sound wave he sent which, SOMEHOW (defying all (ALL!!!) laws of nature) could be harmed by baddies and had a boomerang effect (!!!)
Or his all to big and goofy karate sidekick who was too big for the VOLKSWAGEN they used as their Finkmobile!
Come on guys!!!
Please!!!
And.
Let me just say we haven't hit rock bottom yet.
OH NO.
We haven't mentioned Clutch Cargo.
And that, my friends, is really a scary concept.
Cheers!

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Avernum 4 or Nethergate 2 in General
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Alorael.
I think a N2 sequel may work. If the continuity is followed and it takes place in the world beyond the gate, wherever that place is where all the beings were heading to.
A band of Roman Soldiers also made it through.
The Roman side can focus on surviving in that world, which should be rather tough, and play against the different factions that will exist on it.
That might, maybe, work. Though I'm not even convincing myself too much here.
Anyway. It's all a moot point. I'll buy whatever he puts out. I may whine and complain occassionally, but I love his games too darned much.

Question!
So far it has been mentioned a couple of times an intriguing thingy:
PYGMALION.
Did a search and got nothing but GBS, and though I love his play and am a big fan of My Fair Lady, needless to say that doesn't sound like what you guys are talking about.
Where may I see the wondrous Pygmalion game??????

Salud!

[ Monday, July 19, 2004 18:55: Message edited by: Blind Samurai Penguin Clown ]

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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What if Batman and Captain America Fought? in General
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BT, I agree. Although the age difference, titles wise, is small, May '39 Bats vs. March '41 Cap.
However Cap is exceedingly well trained in all martial arts as well.
Roxy: Alfred. Difficult to top that. But Caps has the entire American military and intelligence community behind him, S.H.I.E.L.D and the Avengers.
'Course Batman has the JLA and Gotham Police (which may not be much compared to Cap's backing muscle, but JLA will defeat the Avengers any day of the week, I don't care which incarnation of either one. Superman/Martian Manhunter. Let's not forget GL! Even if the Avengers have Thor and Herc and Thor is a god and all that. And the Avengers are mighty indeed. But I'm biased and have always preferred the Fantastic Four over the Avengers.)
Anyway, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Incidentally, I'm surprised no one has chosen Captain America as the undisputed winner. No big Marvel fans around?

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"I suffer from spiritual malaise," said Cugel meaningfully. "which manifest itself in outburst of vicious rage. I implore you to depart, lest, in an uncontrollable spasm, I cut you in three pieces with my sword, or worse, I invoke magic."
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Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00
The trouble with democracy is every idiot gets a vote. in General
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The problem isn't as much the clinical definition of idiocy.
The problem is the lack of political (for lack of a better word) education when it comes to voting.
The problem is also the ever so huge and abnormal amount of comformism that exists in so many democratic societies.
I'm biased. I've seen, regretably so, how in Venezuela people voted TWICE for the same hybrid mutant of insects wasted product. TWICE! And in the second time, with the entity already two years in power, there was an absentism of close to 40%, the highest in the mediocre 40 years of democracy of this country.
Now. After untold violations of human rights too long and cumbersome to go into detail here, we've had to put up with 6 years of this collapse of rationality. Our economy is worse than ever. Children abound on the street. The usual, perhaps. Besides the fact that, as an oil country, we've had those same years "enjoyed" an ever perennial record breaking oil price of, average, 30$. Now it is close to 40$. Our internal reserves are at 25 billion dollars. And this taking into account that in 2003, February, they were at about 10 billion after a two months, nearly-total, strike. And there is so much more. So bloody much.
Oh, and now, as usual too late, there is a """hope""" of doing a presidential referendum to revoke him. Hah. He even controls the Electorial National Center! And, here are the galls of this reduction to the absurd, he is going to postulate himself as a candidate, a month later, if (BIG IF) he is revocated. I mean. AGH!!!!!!!!
But I realize this is a rant that is very local. Sorry about that.
Or in the US, for instance, where a guy won by what some call cheating, but nevertheless in an extremely close race with how much absentism???
Yeah.
I'd rather everybody voted. It's our bloody right, and one of the few we can usually exercise.
But, by all the gods everywhere, could people just take a little more intestest in who they are going to vote?!? And for the same gods' sake:
VOTE!!!!!!

[ Monday, July 19, 2004 18:39: Message edited by: Blind Samurai Penguin Clown ]

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Goblins. Goblins.
Because as it was pointed out a while ago by Alorael, they are like cockroaches. They are everywhere.
Besides, with a little incentive they may be trained to breed like mutant rabbits on a rampant heatathon.

Also. Goblins in this world have not realized how smart and capable their cousins from others have become. Once they do, together with their uncountable numbers. . . Tremble with fear. The end is near.

Horses have been known to evolve into intelligent beasts, and in some cases more than humans even. Horses in this world have not realized how smart and capable their cousins from others have become. Once they do, together with their invencible nature . . .

Goblins On Horses.
(admittedly less disgusting that goblins in horses, even (specially!!!) if only partially in)
Hmmm.

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Colors.
Once, because I intended on killing and massacring them horrendously sending weak creations to the sudden death in an attempt to maturely deal with my everyday life frustrations I named them after the source of all evil (at least one type of evil): Chavez.
May he have an indigestion from rotten eggs.

Anyway.
Colors.

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Colors.
Once, because I intended on killing and massacring them horrendously sending weak creations to the sudden death in an attempt to maturely deal with my everyday life frustrations I named them after the source of all evil (at least one type of evil): Chavez.
May he have an indigestion from rotten eggs.

Anyway.
Colors.

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Kel.
RP.
Yup.
Wanted to join the one going on in the General boards but saw it too late. I'm waiting for the next one (though I've never RP in that fashion. Always a first time, right?)

PS: RP you mean pen(cil) and paper?

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Kel.
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Yup.
Wanted to join the one going on in the General boards but saw it too late. I'm waiting for the next one (though I've never RP in that fashion. Always a first time, right?)

PS: RP you mean pen(cil) and paper?

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Maybe a hermit? Or an escape route? Or the site for a Vahnatai structure? Design flaw? A belvedere?
When you play some of the scenarios that came with BoA be ready for more of these. If you haven't done so already.
Hmmm.

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In BoE, if I remember correctly, took care of both because I hated them.
In BoA I tried but got distracted in my saving duties and couldn't back my steps, maybe I got to caught up in the goo, so I just helped the Empire. Bah.

[ Monday, July 19, 2004 10:32: Message edited by: Blind Samurai Penguin Clown ]

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Oh Christ on Skates!!!
Well then that is that, right?

Hmmm.

Now we'll see the hypothesis on what that sequel to Exile 1 (he was rather specific, which is kind of neat in a way, I mean now that we know we are doomed we might as well try to see what good can come out of all this, right?)is.

Sigh.
Hmmm.
Okey dokey.

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ASR.
Probably enjoyed ZKR more than most, but had to cheat with the days to do everything. Which is kind of counter-productive.

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TGM, jesting?

Sequel to Exile 1 as in. . . intermediate action between E1 and E2?

Venatoi, sorry, Vahanatee, sorry, Vahnatai related? Maybe?

Hmmm.
(Ah! Maybe he will go back to an engine like Exile.)
Hmmm. (And maybe Fill In Generic Hollywood Star Name Female Preferable Please will reply to my many, many, many, many, attempts to ask her out. I mean, come on. Look what she's missing.)

Hmmm.

Edit: Missed a "to" in between "back" and "an".

[ Monday, July 19, 2004 10:13: Message edited by: Blind Samurai Penguin Clown ]

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And that, my friend, is why Hell keeps looking every day like a truly Afterlife Paradise.
Seriously.
Ditto for what Andrew said a few posts before in this thread. I've been here for a short while as well.

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Anand, reading your post reminded me a lot of my own experiences in that far distant past. First time I asked a woman out/got a girlfriend was when I was 18! Long time. The silliest thing was realizing how silly I had been in being besiege by ideas that were just nonesense, you know. Now I look back and either wince or just laugh.
It's a good thing that life goes on and we go on with it.
Andrew, I agree with you. And challenges never cease. No stage of life is free of them. Perhaps to some a life of nothing but lying in a hammok drinking coconot milk is ideal (and why not?!) but for the most part, it seems that we are always kept on our toes by what goes on around us.
However, I don't know if life is complicated or we just like to complicate it with excessive patches upon patches trying to fix ideas and paradigms that sometimes shouldn't be fixed, or should just be discarded.
Maybe a little bit of both.

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Sigh.
If only it were that easy.

Then my country wouldn't have had to put with things like this for six years. He is not taken care, Castro would be a pup in comparison to this guy. Just give him time. You'll see.

http://www.vcrisis.com/
(if you are interested)

If simple tests could solve problems.
Sigh.

[ Monday, July 19, 2004 09:36: Message edited by: Blind Samurai Penguin Clown ]

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