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My Pants! Or an assay into.. The stupidity of MY life in General
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-Let me hang my head in shame
-With any luck this will soon be DEAD

BROKEN! I AM BROKEN! BROKEN! I AM BROKEN! BROKEN!

meh, if everyone deleted their posts it could happen.

[ Wednesday, October 13, 2004 13:23: Message edited by: m's devotee ]
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Hey there-
Welcome to the boards-
Decent screen name, You play that game much?
Oh and don't take the criticism too hard, if you look at peoples registration dates it will let you know if you really should listen to them. Grammar and spelling are nice, but it really is the content that counts
------Good Luck and "Leave your sanity at the door"
All this on the condition that I am not making an absolute fool of myself by welcoming someone into their second, third, or ifinith account. :)

[ Tuesday, October 12, 2004 16:30: Message edited by: m's devotee ]

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"Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are false'."
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Hey there-
Welcome to the boards-
Decent screen name, You play that game much?
Oh and don't take the criticism too hard, if you look at peoples registration dates it will let you know if you really should listen to them. Grammar and spelling are nice, but it really is the content that counts
------Good Luck and "Leave your sanity at the door"
All this on the condition that I am not making an absolute fool of myself by welcoming someone into their second, third, or ifinith account. :)

[ Tuesday, October 12, 2004 16:30: Message edited by: m's devotee ]

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"Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are false'."
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Stem Cell Research in General
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The question that was asked about aborted fetuses still has not been answered. Would they work? Why are they not kept if they would? The only reason that I can see opposition for this is that it would give prospectus mothers the exscuse that they were doing the abortion for "science". But that seems a bit far fetched. So.... Do they work?

Ah and was the starter of this post starting this post as a memorial to Reeves? With the name, the subject and all it kinda seems likely.

[ Tuesday, October 12, 2004 16:24: Message edited by: m's devotee ]
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For the current population rate of the world to continue it is highly nesacary that room to expand be found. this kind of room is extremly limited. Most options require large amounts of technology and even more money. But the options that I have seen widely discussed have been the space/mars junk-which would take over a thousand years with hypothetical technology to make mars habitable (I mean w/o air tanks and such) and the ocean- which also has severe problems. If no viable way to decrease rate of growth occurs then it would seem like the population would probably ossilate between a max that is somewhat larger than todays population and a min that could be significantly smaller (The aformentioned 1 billion). And now that I have spouted of loads of unsubstantiated data.....
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E1:Final Gauntlet in The Exile Trilogy
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I think that the first one is directly west of the entrance through the wall. But then again that might be the second, or the third, but I know it's not the fourth.

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Can I get a hand? Or an Arm, Or a Leg in Blades of Avernum Editor
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This is not anything helpful but I just wanted to comment on how funny this topic looked in the active topics link. "can I get...." by "you get nothing". I liked it. So yeah.
But for the arm couldn't you get some random graphic online?

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This is not anything helpful but I just wanted to comment on how funny this topic looked in the active topics link. "can I get...." by "you get nothing". I liked it. So yeah.
But for the arm couldn't you get some random graphic online?

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Yes that does not make to much sense to me either. I don't exactly like abortion, but just if it is going to happen, why not do as well as you can out of it? To just waste it all is... stupid.
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Different enough to buy? in The Exile Trilogy
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Divine Thud-
:cool: YEAH-YEAH
or even the unresistable Wound was a nice priest spell. With six level 50 priests you could kill Rentar Ihrno with it. Oh the fun fun fun. If/when jeff does come out with A4, better spells is one of the things that I would dearly love to see.

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My theory on stupid people. in General
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Wisdom?
there are so many definitions of wisdom though. There is the biblical prudence, streetwise, and a lot of other catagorical "wises" that can be had.
But looking back on writings, or even remembering conversations can make me hang my head in shame. The funny thing is that i bet in five years I will look at what I wrote now in the exact same light. :)
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Banned for a little while? in Tech Support
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Yeah it would of had to have been an IP ban because neither my regular account or the temp account worked.
And yeah I'm pretty certain that it was a ban becaused I when I try logging in to my banned account and I get the same message as I did yesterday.
what does "wget" mean?

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You may want the puresteel blade as well. I don't remember where it is at the moment but I'm sure that our friend here can tell you.

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You may want the puresteel blade as well. I don't remember where it is at the moment but I'm sure that our friend here can tell you.
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You can not login-
You can access the website which I could-
I have been banned so I know what it does- :(

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This is kinda weird-
I tried to log on about three hours ago and it gave me the message that I was not allowed to perform that function. The same message that you get when you are banned (as those of you who have had that "priv." can testify). So I created a new acount to try to ask what to do and that account was denied access as well. (Thats the newest "whathappened" account. But now about three hours later my account works fine. Any idea why it happened? I did not change any settings on my computer, so was I banned for some random reason?

[ Monday, October 11, 2004 17:39: Message edited by: m's devotee ]

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Education requires money-
More children requires more money-
Equating education to intelligence, well that seems doubtful.

what I was asking though is why stupid people would have more children. Not the result of it.

My fathers family- 5 children 3 sons 2 daughters. The two daughters are both the owners of their own companies. One son is a VP of some big corp, another was a researcher for MIT, and the other is a doctor. all of them went to college, three of them have a masters or higher and none of them are stupid. My own family. 5 children, the three children that are already through highschool were all in the top 5% of their class and the two that are far enough along in college to tell how they are doing are doing very well. Maybe you mean 7-8 children, but even then, one of the smartest people I know is the second out of 8 children. All 8 of the children have been educated by their mother. The youngest is aged 3 and has been reading for almost a year now.
Once more I am taking my own experience and applying it to a larger world, but it really is all anybody has to go on, so...
What statistics are you getting this correlation from?
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OK-here is my 2 cents about morality, ethics, etc:
I believe that morality is something you aquire really. I mean, there are sociopaths who don't give a care about anyone else's life, their own, or anything else. They are able to kill without caring. Are they doing "bad"? There are kids at school who are suspended, over and over, and still act the way they do. This is what society has pushed on some people: apathy.

If a bunch of kids were raised together from their birth w/o any outside influence would they all just be sociopathic killers? Obviously any experiment of this kind is entirally too inhumane to do but the results would be interesting to know about. Any morality/ethics that they had would be the result of some inate "instinct" for lack of a better word.
Going back to an earlier point-
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Remember, there's pleasure in doing what you think is right. What you think is right is itself derived from the basic desire to be accepted. People tend to form their moral codes around the expectations of others. This is all basic psychology and sociology, and it would behoove philosophers to take at least a glance at science every once in a while.

I agreed with this but thinking it over again the critical part of this is what you "think" is right. with moral relativism you can believe that no matter what you are doing it is the right thing thus circumventing any point this function of the human psycho. A human can do what is most pleasurable for him/her and tell himself that it is not only pleasurable but "right" thus increasing the pleasure from the action.

On evolution though the stupidity thing seems like it would eventually lead to a weaker/less durable species. wouldn't that defeat the point. Also, stupid people and having lots of children? I don't see the connection. Maybe its because I have too many siblings :) Please elucidate for those of us from larger families.
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Thought there are some exceptions, not even the most twisted of masochists will take pleasure from the murder of their family, having their welfare and shelter taken from them, or other such things.
I have a hard time with this view. It is possible to take a twisted pleasure in even the most horible of things. It may not be pleasure as you define it(however that is) but people can get pleasure from. But what you saying sounds like people just like to get warm fuzzy feelings inside so they help other people. This sounds something like a little bit of what djur just said.
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Remember, there's pleasure in doing what you think is right. What you think is right is itself derived from the basic desire to be accepted. People tend to form their moral codes around the expectations of others. This is all basic psychology and sociology, and it would behoove philosophers to take at least a glance at science every once in a while.
Perhaps you are suggesting that this is present because humans "evolved" to work together as a unit so that they could survive.

And this is someone who is more into the "sciences" taking a quick peek back into "philosophy".

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Ummm..... Sure dude,
Way to go making up doctrine-
At what convention was this made from.
Or have you just been reading Many Waters by Madeline L'Engle?
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Within the context of moral relativism why would somebody care if something is done to somebody else.
Say I take Alo's computer, and Alo comes and snipes me, why would anyone unconnected with myself (so not people who actually know me and enjoy being around me) pursue him in an attempt to get justice? This seems unselfish. Admittedly maybe they are just trying to make sure that it doesn't happen to them, but they aren't going to go and steal a dangerous person's computer provoking his wrath. I deserved my fate for what I did? Didn't I?

(No I'm not asking for personal opinions on myself :) .)
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Desperance = Down? in General
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Isn't down for me. I got in through the link in your sig just fine.
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I think that you interpreted what I'm saying here wrongly
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m: Connecting God to morality has always felt like a distraction to me. How does the existence of an omnipotent being create an absolute morality? Nobody has ever answered this question to my satisfaction. Unless you want to grant your God the power to make 1=2 and construct square circles, it's not within his power to make a single definition the only true one. The very nature of a definition is that it has to be accepted by those who use it; morality is a linguistic term, and language is democratic.

If your answer is (as it seems to be) that God has the power to punish anyone who does something he doesn't like, well, firstly, that doesn't seem like any sort of morality that I'm familiar with, and secondly, it still relies on the subject of his decrees being susceptible to reward and punishment. Sociopaths are almost impossible to reason with precisely because they're virtually immune to the normal effects of reward and punishment; they don't desire anything, they simply react. People with damage to the frontal lobes of the brain (such as from a lobotomy) sometimes behave similarly.

My explanation here was very over-simplistic. There are obviously complications. Parts of what I said there were within the context "If there is a God" but I was not trying to assert that there is a god, nor is this the "god" that I believe in. (Though I do believe there is a God) Also only you can decide when you are satisfied.

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I yet again posit that everyone should read Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes.
I don't know what "poor, nasty, brutish, and short" was a reference to if not him. Yes I know knowing that phrase does not really mean that I've read the book(Though I have read most of it) but it was supposed to convey that this was somewhat a rephrasing of some of his simpler ideas.

Has anyone else read C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity ? The first two chapters deal extensivly with this subject and are rather interesting. His proof makes some sense but any proof of that kind is bound to be kinda vague....
The material that he uses for the proof however is interesting I think.
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to me if there is an absolute code of good and evil then their must be a god/supreme being. Any one that believes that there is a real "wrong" and real "right" but believes that there is no god is decieving themselves.
--the other option for wrong and right is the society based one. Our society has a code of ethics but it is not an absolute one. It can be challenged and changed. I would say that this is because the power of society is not absolute- like the power of god would be- in the case that there is a god. the power of society is to affect the individual and to make him/her act in a certain way is derived from the individuals desire to live a life that is comfortable( ie not poor nasty brutish and short) :)
--both of these alternatives for ethics though are based on one thing- power. If god's power is absolute then what he says is good is absolutely good. why? because the individual has the desire to to live a comfortable life. "right" is what should be done to keep the powerful happy with one. so unless you are the most powerful entity in existance or are beyond the reach of any more powerful entity than yourself, you are bound to a system of morals that you need to follow to be "comfortable". this I would say is why power corrupts- it loosens the hold of morals on a person because they begin to not have to meet the norms of society.

As to consience, it could be the unease at doing what is unacceptable to society, and therefore is dangerous for comfort. Even the more intelligent animals have consience.
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With there being so many different "acceptable" religions/modes of life out there, I have often pondered exactly what the definition of right and wrong must be under this system. How do you find the difference between crime and "the expression of my moral belief system". Often the thought is heard "Do whatever you want so long as it doesn't hurt anybody else" The qualifier on that seems like it is refering to some higher moral code- but what if I don't follow that code? Am I a criminal? Is my "moral system" wrong? Because if so, it sure seems like all the stuff about there being no absolute moral code is a load of junk. Which would make the entire system a load of junk- Which is hard to believe since the "advanced" age that we live in basically teaches this as doctrine. (Or so it seems)
Anybody got thoughts? (Yes a rhetorical question)
Feel free to rip on my logic (Not that you wouldn't anyways but just that I won't take offense- like some people)
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