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Kelandon and *i, you have PMs in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Thursday, April 28 2005 10:57 Profile #16
Almighty Doer of Stuff, please read the PM I sent.
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
Departure in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 10:57 Profile #4
quote:
Originally written by Dolphin:

Again? You know people are likely to vote “yes” just because you are doing the same poll again.
This is not the same poll at all. It is only slightly similar. The question in this poll isn't "Am I dislikable?", but "Do you prefer me to leave?".

This poll is also far more accurate. In the previous poll, the majority of the users who voted "no" were simply indifferent.

People who claim to vote "yes" merely because of this topic itself are either very poor liars or incredibly inconsequent.
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 10:35 Profile #75
quote:
Originally written by andrew miller:

Who's the one who started speculating on increased intelligence in cows?
I already admitted that this was an invalid argument.

quote:
Originally written by andrew miller:

Your other assertion is irrelevant to any point we're arguing here.
I said that it was better for them that they are domesticated. This argument is not irrelevant.

[ Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:36: Message edited by: Mind ]
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THE GREAT DEBATE in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 10:09 Profile #73
You are right. Cows are most-probably satisfied and complacent beings, being fed by serotonine and not being distressed by sorrow, unintelligent as they are.

This issue is hasn't been contradicted yet:
quote:
Besides, the lifespan of domesticated cows is probably much longer by average than the lifespan of undomesticated cows.
Also, if animals wouldn't be slaughtered by humanity, would it reduce the suffering in the universe so significantly? Still, infinite beings would die every moment.

[ Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:18: Message edited by: Mind ]
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
Departure in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 10:01 Profile #0
If the number of people who voted "yes" is greater than the number of people who voted "no" after a certain amount of time, I depart.

Hopefully, this poll is more trustworthy.

And please, don't reply to this thread. I feel miserable enough already. Please respect that.

[ Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:03: Message edited by: Mind ]

Poll Information
This poll contains 1 question(s). 10 user(s) have voted.
You may not view the results of this poll without voting.

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Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
THE GREAT DEBATE in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 09:52 Profile #71
quote:
Originally written by andrew miller:

If anything, if cows were aware of their own mortality, I'd bet they'd be far less willing to be domesticated and slaughtered. Heck, if they were that intelligent, they'd probably have won equal protection under the law and a vote by now, though gay cows would likely still be discriminated against, but that's a societal problem for us as well.
Cows aren't that intelligent, so this argument is irrelevant.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

Grazing is what they do, why would they dislike doing it?
I didn't state that they dislike doing it, but that they don't enjoy doing it.

[ Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:06: Message edited by: Mind ]
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 09:19 Profile #68
quote:
Originally written by andrew miller:

Your words: "If cows had more intelligence, than they would certainly desire to die." There are lots of animals out there more intelligent than cows, and they don't seem to be throwing themselves off cliffs.
I was speaking specifically about cows, not about all animals in general.

The main occupation of cows is grazing in meadows, wether they are domesticated or not. Therefor, I would certainly rather die than have my life displaced by the life of a cow.

Besides, the lifespan of domesticated cows is probably much longer by average than the lifespan of undomesticated cows.

quote:
Originally written by Dolphin:

These reasons you didn't mention may only be apparent to you. Cows are not completely unconscious, and are doing what cows do, and likely enjoy doing it.
I never claimed that cows are completely unconscious, and I doubt that cows are feeling ecstatic while grazing.
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 07:15 Profile #65
quote:
Originally written by andrew miller:

That's a non sequitor if ever there were. Assuming you're more intelligent than a cow, do you desire to die?
How subtle. In a disguised, euphemistic way, you're comparing my intelligence with the intelligence of a cow.

How can you compare the life of a human with the life of a cow?

quote:
Originally written by Dolphin:

What makes you so certain they would want to die?
Because their lives are entirely empty, for obvious reasons.

[ Wednesday, April 27, 2005 09:19: Message edited by: Mind ]
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 06:53 Profile #62
quote:
Originally written by Dolphin:

Mind-
Unless that animal wanted to die, killing it would be disadvantaging it.
I'm certain animals which don't require to utilize their brains frequently such as cows are even conscious of the fact that their lifespan is limited.

If domesticated cows had more intelligence, than they would desire to die.

[ Wednesday, April 27, 2005 07:05: Message edited by: Mind ]
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
my grang-grandfather died in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 05:29 Profile #38
quote:
Originally written by Student of Trinity:

Why doesn't Hallmark have a line of sympathy cards for loved ones' damnations?
This would most-probably cost more than it would benefit.

[ Wednesday, April 27, 2005 05:35: Message edited by: Mind ]
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
Biomass Future-- Will It Replace Oil in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 05:23 Profile #38
quote:
Originally written by *i:

1) Produces high-energy neutrons which damages the vessel, which makes it very expensive to replace. I fear this will make it uneconomical.
Of course, the energy produced by nuclear fusion can't be exploited today, but only because of this obstacle of relative significance.

quote:
Originally written by *i:

2) The cycle would be the ideal device for manufacturing thermonuclear weapons.
This prediction is rather late. Have you ever heard of the bomb "Mike", which obliterated an entire island in the Pacific Ocean?

[ Wednesday, April 27, 2005 05:24: Message edited by: Mind ]
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Wednesday, April 27 2005 01:39 Profile #60
quote:
Originally written by Sprung Spring:

quote:
Originally written by Mind:

Also, if we slaughter these animals, how do we disadvantage them?
We disadvantage them by taking away their life. Wouldn't you say thats a fair disadvantage?
In a word, no.

[ Wednesday, April 27, 2005 02:36: Message edited by: Mind ]
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
my grang-grandfather died in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 21:10 Profile #34
quote:
Originally written by 1001011001000:

Oh, good, you can feel at ease that he's in heaven now. That's real conforting.
Please don't start another senseless discussion about Christianity.
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 21:07 Profile #56
quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

Mind, I wouldn't say cows have very limited consciousness. They aren't terribly smart, but they are conscious. And some animals have very long life spans. Ostriches can live to be 70.
I didn't say that they are mindless beings, but they are certainly incognizant to the death that awaits them.

Also, if we slaughter these animals, how do we disadvantage them?
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
Artsy peoples! in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 10:24 Profile #28
quote:
furry
adj : covered with a dense coat of fine silky hairs; "furred animals"; "a furry teddy bear" [syn: furred]

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
Artsy peoples! in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 09:40 Profile #25
quote:
Originally written by Custer XVI
Also, I hesitantly defend furries by saying that not all of them believe in the reincarnation nonsense.
I wouldn't call it nonsense. Nothing indicates that this belief is correct, but nothing indicates that it is incorrect, either.

However, it is somewhat simpler to believe that death is complete unconsciousness.
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Tuesday, April 26 2005 02:03 Profile #45
quote:
Originally written by Dolphin:

Like cows living outside in meadows and eating grass rather than genetically modified pesticide sprayed
Genetically modified plants are not sickening or disgusting at all: We consummate them as well. Also, I doubt the plants which the animals eat are ever sprayed with pesticides or other chemical products.

quote:
Originally written by Dolphin:

By and large I agree with you. All else being equal, animals should be treated humanely and they generally are.
Their life-span is short, and their consciousness is very limited.

quote:
Originally written by Dolphin:

I'm sure cows like to walk around.
Do you ever see them pace around in meadows as horses do?

quote:
Originally written by Dolphin:

Steroids = faster growth = more meat = more money.
That is a fallacious suspicion.
The meat of the cattle cultivated in Belgium is well-known for its quality, because of artificial selection. The farmers here were also often accused of using steroids, which has been proved to be incorrect.
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Monday, April 25 2005 10:34 Profile #22
quote:
Originally written by spy.there:

In the meantime some pictures here. (click on the camera.)
I don't see the animals being tortured. The good taste of their flesh indicates the absence of adrenaline, which proves that they die violently and painfully: They are shot in the skull, and die nearly entirely painless. In this matter, their endurable, but empty lives come to an end.

Besides, you can't directly save the meaningless lives of the animals by not eating their flesh.

Thus, I will not become a vegetarian.

[ Monday, April 25, 2005 10:37: Message edited by: Mind ]
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To Custer XVI in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Monday, April 25 2005 09:17 Profile #0
Please read the private message I sent you, and request a moderator to remove this thread after having done so.
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
Really, really, really non-good. in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Monday, April 25 2005 06:14 Profile #17
My humble suggestion would be to commit suicide.
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
Biomass Future-- Will It Replace Oil in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Saturday, April 23 2005 09:25 Profile #5
quote:
Originally written by Toasted Basilisk on a Shish Kebab:

Wind power is very profitable and needs to grow considerably.
I disagree. Aerogenerators are very expensive. Instead, we should fund the project Nuclear Fusion.

[ Saturday, April 23, 2005 09:25: Message edited by: Mind ]
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
my grang-grandfather died in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Saturday, April 23 2005 09:15 Profile #25
quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

Secondly, he's right. Just because you don't care about relatives that you don't know well doesn't mean that everyone else is like that.
Stop insinuating that I am hateful.

As I said, I never knew my grandmother.
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
Does Spiderweb improve your English? in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Saturday, April 23 2005 05:50 Profile #45
quote:
Originally written by ratyacnarA:

Or is your confusion caused by Thuryl's low turnout more than Alorael's and my high one?
No. Only Thuryl's low score makes me sceptical.
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Saturday, April 23 2005 05:38 Profile #304
quote:
Originally written by The Almighty Doer of Stuff:

It says they don't have souls, therefore they don't go to Heaven.
Of course, animals are capable of controlling their bodies without cerebral cortex.

To avoid potential confusion, I will add that this statement was sarcastic.

[ Saturday, April 23, 2005 05:40: Message edited by: Mind ]
Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00
Does Spiderweb improve your English? in General
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Shock Trooper
Member # 4214
 written Friday, April 22 2005 23:05 Profile #42
quote:
Originally written by Papa Donatus II:

Arancaytar and Alorael beating Thuryl is travesty.
Yes, the results of this poll are clearly untrustworthy.
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