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NEW POPE! in General
Shock Trooper
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Profile #59
quote:
Originally posted by Ash Lael:
I advocate not killing anybody. Radical, I know.

...maybe I should have kept my mouth shut.

An embryo is not a conscious person: It is merely a germ of life, as is sperm.

Abortion is not granting life, not ending life. It is as much a crime as not reproducing.

I've said this many times before, but no-one ever considers my words.

Lord of Evil: The idea of condemning someone who does not agree with your philosophy to death is very senseless.

[ Friday, April 22, 2005 22:58: Message edited by: Mind ]
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my grang-grandfather died in General
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My laconic condolences.

quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

Why are people saying "One of my relatives died, so I can't be sorry for you"?
Because they know that the death of a family member who barely ever spoke them is not painful.

quote:
Originally written by Alec:

It's tough losing a relative, even if you don't know them well.
I disagree. I experienced the death of my demented grandmother, who never spoke a coherent sentence to me, but I never felt umbrageous because of her death.

[ Saturday, April 23, 2005 05:42: Message edited by: Mind ]
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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Profile #299
quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

I don't think I'd feel like I'd acomplished anything if everything I wanted was handed to me on a silver platter. It's nice to be spoiled once in a while but if it's all the time, I'd think it'd get rather boring rather quickly.
That's paradoxal, as I explained.

quote:
Originally written by To sail the shoreless skies an come:

A perfect world would be boring.
Something can't be both perfect and boring. It is only extremely hard to imagine it.

quote:
Originally written by 4808[b:

Indeed, the Bible says that people should not store up treasures on Earth, but treasures in heaven. For this reason, it also says that that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to inherit the Kingdom of God. But that doesn't mean there's no hope; even a dirty rich Devil-worshipping man can make it to heaven if he turns from his ways.[/b]
So those who possess a large amount of wealth have no empathy? Bill Gates shares a considerable amount of his money with the world.

How much would you try to reduce the suffering in the world, if you were more conscious of the fact that every moment, literally infinite beings suffer, while your God can cease it instantly?

quote]Originally written by 4808
Also for this reason, people are never satisfied with what they have and always want something more, because if you're used to having this level of living "handed to you on a silver platter," to gain that same kind of surprise and achievement, you need more and more.

Kind of like a tobacco addiction.
[/quote]And there is an endless amount of metaphoric tabacco.
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

Because despite some being advantaged, death is still sad for friends and family who did not wish them to pass yet.
But despite this fact, you doubt that death disadvantages anyone?

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

Re being spoiled by God:
This discussion only shows the selfishness of human nature. Do we really want to have everything we desire? I mean, I know by deffinition we 'want' it but would this state of always having everything we desire really be fulfilling? Where's the sense of acomplishment?

"Everything" includes sense of accomplishment.
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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Profile #273
quote:
Originally written by The Almighty Doer of Stuff:

I would just like to say a couple things.
Ben, you are a lagot.
Mind, you are also a lagot.
Gizmo, you clearly do not know the meaning of the word "tyrant".
That is all.

Exactly what is "lagot" supposed to mean?

[ Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:36: Message edited by: Mind ]
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NEW POPE! in General
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I've heard that Ratzinger is even more orthodox and conservative than Johannus Paulus II.

[ Tuesday, April 19, 2005 08:22: Message edited by: Mind ]
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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Profile #268
quote:
Originally written by 4808:
Sure, the Devil does. Maybe that's because that's where you hear all those lies. Just because he remains silent sometimes means he lies when he speaks? It doesn't make sense.
If God is omnipotent, why does he not eliminate the devil?

quote:
Originally written by 4808:
Not near as much as they would have in hell.
That is irrelevant. The suffering happening to God's creations is purposeless, anyhow.

quote:
Originally written by 4808:
You just can't think of a good argument for it because it's so true.
If that was the case, I would not even point out that my argument was ignored.

If there was no suffering, compassion would not be necessary.

Also, you cannot learn to empathize others.

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Originally written by 4808:
It happens often when she prays. You can't attribute every spiritual anomaly to a pshychological phenomenon. Tell me exactly which one this must be.
Hope.

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Originally written by 4808:
God created people that choose to be murderers instead of law-abiding citizens. It's really there fault. It's a good example of free will.
Psychopats are born without empathy.

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Originally written by 4808:
Don't call me a short-sighted idiot and read my above post.
I sincerely apologize for my arrogance, but I cannot tolerate that you discriminate homosexuals with such nonsensical excuse.

As a side note, a member of my family is a homosexual.

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Originally written by 4808:
But it's true.
You might not be aware, but something which is proved to be wrong cannot be valid.

quote:
Originally written by 4808:
So it is.
If the devil can simulate to be God, as you postulate, than how can you be so certain the author of the Bible was spiritually inspired? He could also have been inspired by the devil, or simply by himself. The latter statement, obviously, is the most logical one.

quote:
Originally written by 4808:
God wants people to refrain from homosexuality.
This is not even an argument.

I will retain my viewpoint that faith can impossibly be rationally explained. Faith is an intuitive perspective, unconsciously used as a source of naive hope.

[ Tuesday, April 19, 2005 07:13: Message edited by: Mind ]
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Two years to the day. in General
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Profile #116
We might be doing soon.

If the atmosphere of Mars was more densely polluted, the days there would be less warm, and the nights there would be less cold.

Also, analyzations have indicated that there is ice under the surface of the planet.
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Two years to the day. in General
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Profile #114
Unquestionably, our race is very deleterious.

However, in future, humanity will become very beneficial to nature. One day, our race will terrasformate other planets, enabling life to populate them.
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Ahhh...School in General
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Member # 4214
Profile #7
quote:
Originally written by andrew miller:

Cherish it now - once you start working in the "real world," you'll get two or three weeks of vacation a year, tops.
Professions, at least, are purposeful, unlike studying useless subjects.
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When nothing happens... in General
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Profile #3
What do you expect to happen here, apart from discussions?

[ Monday, April 18, 2005 06:56: Message edited by: Mind ]
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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Profile #257
quote:
Originally written by Maxmillion
So you are saying that a comepletely evil person who believes that by killing and destroying people that he is doing Jesus's and God's will will go to heaven?
I did not say that. I said that your God created sinners intentionally and consciously, according to your religion.

I also do not believe in heaven or hell, so that is completely irrelevant.

Believing that God is both omnipotent and merciful, in my opinion, is a paradoxal religious view.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo
Aside from sensical not being a word... It makes sense to me. I very often have a physical tingling sensation when I worship, pray, read the Bible, and write stuff like this. I have felt it over and over and over. I cannot, by my own power, replicate the feeling, but it has been replicated so often that I cannot scientifically deny the connection. I do A, B happens. Again and again and again. Cause and effect. I cannot show it to you but it is proof to me.
What you feel is simply faith, not the will of God.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo
Now it is you who presumes to know the will of God.
A worthy effort to riposte my words.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo
Or is this just you saying 'There is no God. He does not talk.'?
Nearly.

If there is a God, which I see as impossible, then He either decides to remain silent or constantly lies.

It's striking how much of His own laws God breaks.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo
[If]God exsists, then so does an afterlife. Any innocent who lived on the earth would be swept away to this afterlife, thus they are not really dead. And other than children and mentally handicapped, there are no innocents
How much do God's children suffer before they finally die?

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo
Because it still applies. What good is being capable of compassion if we never learn to use it? It is a desireable quality in one's character. One God wishes us to develop.
If you are so stubborn and ignoring, I will stop arguing about this.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo
[If] God doesn't exsist then you are right. [If] God does exsist then you are wrong. I have my own proof... what is yours?
You have no proof that this "peculiar sensation" is not just a simple psychological phenomenon.

If God exists, your claim is not necessarily correct.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo
Possibly, but it does not change all the lives her death has 'advantaged'.
Then why is a ceremonial burial so melancholic?

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo
This is also a cop out. You formed your comment to me on the basis that God does exsist, and I formed my question of you on the basis that God does exsist. Please form your answer on the basis that God exsists.
If you ask me to regard the subject as a religious person, my answer is yes. However, the fact that God creates murderers does not mean that they do not need to be imprisoned for our safety.

quote:
Originally written by Binary Code
As for gays, I'm sure God frowns down upon them, but if they truly believed in God, I think they could get to heaven. On the other hand, if they truly believed in God and the Bible, they would stop their homosexual behavior. So, I'm going to say it would be hard for a gay to be a good Christian and a lot harder to earn their ticket to heaven.
Do homosexuals disadvantage you in any way, short-sighted idiot?

Discrimination is illegal. You should be cautious.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo
Man is fallible, man is corruptable, man cannot compare to God.
Again, your using an argument which we proved to be invalid.

quote:
Originally written by The Creator
It seems that how you treat the 'brothers of the king' is going to have a big impact on your afterlife. Just as well that he lets them suffer, isn't it?
And again, the Bible is used as the "proof" for this statement.

quote:
Originally written by An Unworthy Assiociate
Although God has the power to stop wars, senseless wars continue unabated. Although God has the power to stop the dictators, he does not.
God does not simply allow suffering to happen: He is the cause of it.

quote:
Originally written by Khoth
One genocide can be an accident.
Oops. I accidentally committed genocide.

quote:
Originally written by Binary Code
God created Adam and Eve sinless and faultless, but their human nature caused them to sin.
This is paradoxal.

quote:
Originally written by Binary Code
I disagree. If God didn't want people to be gay, as it says in the Bible, he wouldn't create them to be hetrosexual or homosexual.
If God didn't want people to be sadistic, cruel and sinful, as it says in the Bible, he wouldn't create them.
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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Profile #228
quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

Yes. The Lord has and continues to reveal himself to me. The most convincing is the physical feeling I get when I worship Him. The 'filling of the Holy Spirit' as it is called in the Bible. I cannot deny this feeling and that I get it mostly in direct correlation with times of prayer and worship leads me to connect the two. Other 'touches' have led me to feel warned or encouraged when warning or encouraging was needed. Other things most skeptics would toss away as coincidence and say that I only see it as God because I am looking for God, but I will provide more examples if you wish.
In other words: You have no sensical explanation.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

The inquisitors did not practice the love taught by Jesus. They became proud when Jesus had told them to be humble. They are akin to the pharasies that Jesus rebuked.
The inquisitors did not know the will of their God. You do not either.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

I can fathom death as far as my beliefs allow, as far as the Bible explains it to me. You claim it to be haughty to believe on the Word of God as written in the Bible. Just because you are not certain doesn't mean I cannot be. I have already told you what personal proof I have for my indubitableness. If I am wrong... I'll never know the difference anyway so I choose to live for the purposes I have found in Christ. There is great peace in knowing your purpose.
Your God is and remains silent. He does not speak to you, and did not speak to the writers of the Bible.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

I do not see a contradiction. I only see that God chooses most times to use other than miraculous events to guide us where we need to go. Again, why must God always use his omnipotent power for immediately beneficial results for you to admit that he has said power? God has his own free will and may use whatever means he chooses to teach our resistant minds.
Which proves that He is a tyrant. As I said, your God is said to be responsible for every event in the universe.

Of course, you possibly do not strictly believe every aspect of your religion. If that is the case, your God is simply negligent.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

The inquisitors were able to force people to 'say' they followed God, but they could not change anyone's heart. It is possible to lie about following God.
You're correct. I admit that that was a foolish argument.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

So a parent who allows their rebellious teen to spend the night in jail is sadistic and cruel?.
No, but a father who murders his innocent child is certainly cruel.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

I ask if you think being omnipotent means you have to use your power. Because that it itself is a paradox. If you are all-powerful no one can make you use your power and you can choose
never to use it if you like. It doesn't mean you don't have it.

You said: "God may not always intervene", meaning that He cannot.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

Yes, and it would not be learned.
You are repeating the same argument.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

I am not God. Just a humble servant. How you can get that I am(or claim to be) God from that statement is beyond me.
Your God does not interact with you, in any way. You are simply speaking to yourself.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

How do you know that no one is advantaged? Will none be advantaged by Terri Shivo's death? Will none gain compassion for the helpless? Will none sit down to write a living will so that their family can avoid a similar heartache? Will none choose to act for a betterment of the world because of her? I say all have already been done and her death was not in vain.
Terri Schiavo died decennia ago.

Compassion for the suffering would not be necessary, if there was no misery.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

So you decide to go on a murder spree and kill ten people for whatever reason that you deemed worth doing so and then you blame God for the deaths because he created you and knew you would do it before he put you on the earth?
No, but only because I do not believe in God.

[ Saturday, April 16, 2005 01:29: Message edited by: Mind ]
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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Profile #221
quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

Because I asked God to give me wisdom and He told me to study.
Greetings, God.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

He gave us at least five. But those are based on the Bible so I will not list them here.
Can I convince you to do so?

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

Despite that I said nothing of the sort... Everything we have is God's. We are borrowing it from him. He can take it back at any time because it is his. You call it teasing, I call it simple property rights.
God, according to your religion, gave us our lives. By ending our lives, he greatly disadvantages us, but does not advantage anyone.

quote:
Originally written by The Inquisitor:

God's justice is ultimately measured by rewards for the faithful and punishment for the unfaithful both in the afterlife.
Assuming that the idea that being unfaithful is wrong is not nonsensical, should He not be punished for creating unfaithful persons?

quote:
Originally written by The Inquisitor:

Why is it a sin for God not to act?
He is responsible for every event in the universe.

[ Thursday, April 14, 2005 06:11: Message edited by: Mind ]
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science, philosophy or religion? in General
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Member # 4214
Profile #30
quote:
Originally written by VCH:

How is science different from a religion.
It isn't: They are two identical things. In other words: Science is a synonym for religion.

I wonder how many did not see this was sarcastic.

[ Thursday, April 14, 2005 06:15: Message edited by: Mind ]
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Favorite Author in General
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Profile #17
I don't read often, because it is difficult for me to properly assimilate or reproduce information. Hopefully, the visual training will solve this problem quickly.
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science, philosophy or religion? in General
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Profile #26
Clearly, the meaning of philosophy is horribly misinterpreted.
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

Because the Bible tells me to and I believe that the Bible is divinely inspired.
Do you have any explanation for this conviction?

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

These verses not only tell me that I can know God's will (at least in part), but also that I should seek God's will by asking him to reveal it to me. No one knows the entirety of his will but it is easy enough for us to know snippets of it as he reveals it to us.
The inquisitors believed to know the cruel will of God: Genocide, torment and suffering.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

That child will never suffer again, will never hunger again, will never thirst again, will never be cold or sick or alone ever again because s/he has a place prepared for him/her in Heaven.
You cannot fathom death. Claiming to know wether or not there is a postmortem realm with complete indubitableness is very haughty.

The suffering of the dead has probably ceased, indeed. We do not need to empathize them, but those who are currently suffering on this world.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

"Is this not what happens to us with God? He throws some pretty scary stuff at us, and it’s hard to believe He has our best interests at heart. He may even be telling us to fly down, but we don’t hear Him, so He brings something into our lives that forces us down, and only then do we find that down was the way out."
This contradicts that God is omnipotent, which is very paradoxal.

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god

n 1: the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions [syn: God, Supreme Being]
quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

You cannot be 'forced' to follow God, it is always your choice to do so.
The inquisitors did not share your opinion.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

As for your illistration of Job I would say that God is just in taking away what Job had because He had given it to him in the first place.
You illustrate God as a very conservative and egocentric Shaper, creating, tormenting and absorbing its creations.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

That "Suffering happens to the good, and god lets it happen" does not make him any less powerful.
The suffering happening to us proves that either God is not omnipotent or is very cruel and sadistic.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

God may not intervene all the time but that does not mean he doesn't intervene at all.
This statement also contradicts that God is omnipotent.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

God allows for pain in the world so we can learn.
Why must we learn? If he is so powerful, he can simply write the information in our minds.

quote:
Originally written by Gizmo:

And if God gave every hungry person a meal to eat every time they were hungry how would we be able to exercise our generosity, sympathy, and hospitality?
It would simply no longer be necessary.

quote:
Originally written by Binary Code:

Just let me say that God isn't going to spontaneously help every person in the world.
If this is supposed to be an argument, it is very poor.

quote:
Originally written by Binary Code:

As for believing the Bible, one good piece of evidence that it's true is all the prophecies that were fulfilled and are continuing to be fulfilled today.
The tales in the Bible are meant to be interpreted as metaphors.

[ Wednesday, April 13, 2005 03:27: Message edited by: Mind ]
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General thoughts and comments in Geneforge Series
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Profile #20
quote:
As I was playing it in the beginning I was a bit dissapointed, again with the descriptions of what everything was (I know they are supposed to be stand alones, and I know that so far they have all taken place in remote/not known locations so a Student is not supposed to know many things, but, still, it got repetitive for me.)
I agree. The stories of Geneforge 1, 2 and 3 are too similar.

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I loved the graphics.
In my opinion, the graphics of the environment, indeed, greatly improved. The desert no longer looks like a toxic wasteland, and the new tilesets have a very good style.

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I had some problems with the dialogue choices, in so far as some events that take place I think should give you new dialogue: for instance, if you go to Lankan after you destroy the Rogues, shouldn't he say something about, or you get the chance to boast to him? (if that happens, I've forgotten it)
The dialogue choices irritated me as well. I could not even discuss with Litalia about her moral issues. I didn't have the option to attempt to convince her how senseless and unnecessary the war was.

The Shapers certainly astoundingly mistreat their creations, but Litalia intends to sacrifice many hundreds of millions of lives to achieve her goals, and uses Skill Canisters, which poison and corrupt the mind.
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Two years to the day. in General
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Profile #106
I'm certain humanity will help nature to improve our genetic material very soon, in this matter increasing our intelligence, strength, resistance to diseases, nimbleness, life expectancy, et cetera.
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Two years to the day. in General
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Still, there will always be the same amount of energy in the universe. It was never born, and will never die.
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Two years to the day. in General
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Profile #102
Please forgive me if I sounded arrogant. Arrogance is my most irritating social defection, but it is far more frustrating to me than to anyone else.

Energy can be converted into other forms of energy, but can never be destroyed. If matter combusts (as a side note, the process of combustion is chemical energy), it is converted into warmth-energy and light-energy.
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Two years to the day. in General
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Profile #100
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I would guess our end would be either making the Earth to toxic to sustain life before we could migrate to a new planet, or

I strongly doubt that intense pollution will be our end. Soon, the main energy source will be nuclear fusion, which does not cause any pollution. The theory of nuclear fusion is correct and simple, and it won't take too many years until we can finally control this power source.

The proof that nuclear fusion is a very sufficient power source is that the hydrogen of the stars depletes after many billions of years.

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he current climate circunstances indicate a great increase in average temperature in the next 100 years. that means changes in the global sea stream, which will cause constant natural floods, droughts, etc.
Pollution, I believe, is not the main cause of the global warming. Notwithstanding, the global warming may still be dangerous, of course. However, the results will improbably be apocalyptic.

I would also like to note that the increase of the sea level is not directly the result of the global warming: It is mainly the result of the thicker atmosphere, which prevents photons from reaching the surface of the oceans and evaporating the water.

I wonder why the destiny of humanity in far future should concern us.

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Humanity will survive forever. We can be devastated, but not destroyed; even against a giant meteor impact we'll have a few years' warning, easily enough time to high-tail it elsewhere with enough colonists to propagate the species and, with any hope, the civilization.
Not necessary. If a gargantuan meteor threatens us, we can attempt to annihilate it.

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Every aspect of life waxes and wanes. There is birth, growth, and finally death. This happens to every natural thing in the universe.
Perhaps it is somewhat simplistic to claim this with so much certainty? You ignored the fact that energy can't be annihilated or created.

Bad-Ass Mother Custer, you seem very confident that humanity is superior and genius. But do you realize that the extremely small number of people who have the intelligence to invent something revolutionary require decennia of study and experience to do so?
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Do you think there is a Hell? in General
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And why is Thuryl so often asked to stay away from contributing to a topic? His mental clarity's astounding…
You just answered your own question.
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The Universe in General
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Profile #120
quote:
A gravity well is simply the term for the distortion in spacetime caused by a gravitational field. Any object with mass has one. Things will still accelerate toward a black hole because of its gravity, even if they're outside its event horizon.
Yes. Gravity reaches to the far ends of the universe. Apologize my forgetfulness.

However, the influence of the gravity of the supposed microscopic black hole would be very insignificant out of range of a few micrometers, isn't it?
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