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My God can beat up your God! in General
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Slarty: I know. I wasn't asking in general what evidence scholars use to show that a language was spoken or not (and I was just referring to non-literary writing, rather than specifically epigraphy, which I should've made more clear). I was asking what evidence people use in this specific case.

"Some sound changes," you say. Hmm. Making an argument from apparent sound changes sounds spotty at best in this situation. Well, I suppose one might be able to tell the difference between an Aramaic accent and natural sound changes in the Hebrew, so maybe.

EDIT: Regardless, my main point was that Jesus probably didn't give those speeches in Greek. That would've been odd.

[ Friday, May 26, 2006 09:11: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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My God can beat up your God! in General
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Related to Ash's point, also: it was a law text. The Magna Carta was written in Latin in Britain in the Middle Ages. We're not talking about wall inscriptions, here, which give a much better indication of the spoken language of a location in a time period.

That's the sort of evidence that I'm wondering about.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Newton's Principia was completed in 1687. It was written in Britain. It was written in Latin. It was written in Latin so that any educated person in Western Europe could learn about physics. It was certainly not written to teach Latin.

[ Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:48: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Infernal: The Washingtonii Vita was completed in the year 1836. It was written in the United States. It was written in Latin.

What's your point?

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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I'd be interested to know what sort of evidence scholars have been using to suggest that Hebrew remained a spoken language into the Roman era. The fact that a religious language survives as a written language and continues developing new features is not by any means proof that the language continued to be anyone's native spoken tongue, as evidenced by Latin in the Middle Ages.

Regardless, the gospels present Jesus's words in either Greek or Aramaic, but never in Hebrew.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Bahssikava -- Phoenix Egg in Blades of Avernum
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The first thing I'd do is go to my website and get the latest version (1.0.9).

If that doesn't fix it, I'll take a look at the code when I get a chance, but there's some possibility that I won't be able to do anything until next week.

EDIT: Oh, bloody hell. I found the problem. I'll upload a patch in a moment.

Download this file and put it in the scenario folder (replacing the document of the same name that's already there). Let me know if that fixes the problem.

[ Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:41: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Thralni: Nothing I've said has been intended to offend you. You have, as usual, read far too much into a simple post and managed to hurt your own feelings. You should just get over being upset and do the right thing: apologize to yourself.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Thralni: Nothing I've said has been intended to offend you. You have, as usual, read far too much into a simple post and managed to hurt your own feelings. You should just get over being upset and do the right thing: apologize to yourself.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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My God can beat up your God! in General
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It is a fact that the Bible contains no more than a handful of actual words of Jesus at most. This much is known. The Bible was written in Greek. Jesus spoke Aramaic. Even if someone had been sitting at each of Jesus's speeches and transcribing them, the problem remains that they were translated, and translation is inherently paraphrase. (And it's particularly tricky because Aramaic and Greek are less closely related than Greek and English. Getting from one to the other is rather a leap.) There are a few words of Aramaic in the Bible (notably at Matt 27:46), but not many.

But, in an ideal situation, translation might still preserve the general idea of Jesus's message, if not his exact words. The problem is the textual transmission, which is hard to understand unless you have some background in textual criticism of classical texts.

Back in the days before the printing press, all manuscripts were copied by hand. Most people wrote on papyrus scrolls, and these usually didn't last more than a few hundred years, so they were being continually recopied. Each copy potentially introduced new errors. Most of these were slight, such as a letter forgotten, changed, or written in the wrong place. Some, depending on the text, were enormous: wholesale insertions, deletions, and revisions of an entire section. (Only one of these appears to be present in the NT, but they can be hard to identify if they happened early enough.) The introduction of the codex — the book — in third and fourth centuries was an improvement, because codices last much longer than papyrus scrolls, but even these were often lost if they were not recopied.

Now, there's an entire science behind textual reconstruction, and it grew out of the effort to construct a faithful text of the Bible. The Greek New Testament's textual status is not bad, on the whole. It is attested far more than anything else, and some of the attestations are rather early (both of which are good things in textual criticism). They're not as early as we'd like, but, really, virtually nothing from then is. Contrary to what Dintiradan said, it is not true that the majority of the text in major critical editions today comes from the third and fourth centuries (only scraps survive from the second century).

The composition of the Greek New Testament is traditionally dated to the second half of the first century (give or take). The first major attestations are from around two hundred years later. Still, the fragments that do survive from earlier contain remarkably few differences, and scribes were very, very careful about recopying, so the accidental differences between the early forms of the Gospels and the forms we have are probably slight. However, there are differences between manuscripts to be accounted for, and constructing a faithful Greek text is a challenge.

There's another consideration, too: the councils that determined what went in the Bible and what did not — which were held in the fourth and fifth centuries and were more interested in theological matters than historical — selected four gospels out of very many. We've found fragments of at least nine gospels that were not selected.

So, to summarize: Jesus preached and died around the twenties and thirties of the first century. The texts that make up the NT were composed several decades (some parts nearly a century) later. We have some fragments from the second century, but no good texts until the third and fourth centuries. The NT was actually collected and combined into "the Bible" in the fourth and fifth centuries. These are the facts. The difficult part is judging from them how accurate a record the Bible is likely to be.

[ Thursday, May 25, 2006 08:28: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Why I did not like Geneforge 3 in Geneforge Series
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I did notice in GF2 — I didn't play GF3 — that many of the pro/anti-servile dialogue options seemed entirely too one-sided. I found myself forced to express opinions with which I didn't agree at all.

One of the complaints that has been made about some of TM's scenarios is that he sometimes puts too much into the mouth of the PCs. People ask, "Why is my character saying this? I don't want my character to say this!" I suspect that GF3, even more than GF2, gives the player the choice between two bad dialogue options, which is only marginally better than forcing one bad dialogue option. Again, putting too much into the mouth of the PCs.

Allowing more realistic opinions, perhaps less baldly stated, would be nice. You know, instead of "I hate serviles" or "I hate Shapers."

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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To Thralni's post, I can only react with an enormous *facepalm*.

Ephesos: It appears to skip everything. I had a message_dialog and a block_entry on a space outdoors and my flying party was affected by neither. I haven't tried doing anything indoors, though, and I haven't tested this extensively.

It might almost be better that items that confer flight be not transferable between scenarios. If anyone has to make an Orb of Thralni-type item, I strongly suggest using a special state rather than the item ability.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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To Thralni's post, I can only react with an enormous *facepalm*.

Ephesos: It appears to skip everything. I had a message_dialog and a block_entry on a space outdoors and my flying party was affected by neither. I haven't tried doing anything indoors, though, and I haven't tested this extensively.

It might almost be better that items that confer flight be not transferable between scenarios. If anyone has to make an Orb of Thralni-type item, I strongly suggest using a special state rather than the item ability.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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I think ThirdParty just outlined one.

I don't know; this all seems like too much angst over an RPG to me.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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The BoA engine is in general not the same as the A1 engine, as should be obvious from the fact that A1 didn't have scripts and BoA does.

I tried it, and it does skip specials. Hence the post.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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The BoA engine is in general not the same as the A1 engine, as should be obvious from the fact that A1 didn't have scripts and BoA does.

I tried it, and it does skip specials. Hence the post.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Creature Numbers and Scripts in Blades of Avernum Editor
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If you read the documentation on it, you'd know.

The answer is yes, though: it returns the actual number, not just the species.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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If you read the documentation on it, you'd know.

The answer is yes, though: it returns the actual number, not just the species.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Walkthroughs in The Exile Trilogy
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For E1, the Avernum 1 guides will be just about the same with regard to the major missions.

[ Tuesday, May 23, 2006 16:14: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Show me the muscle in General
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I do a twenty minute walk to and from school just about every day. I used to play sports in high school, but I haven't done anything formal since then.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Dark Chaos is back in General
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The toad of conduct? What?

Well, this could arguably qualify as spam. And I seriously doubt that anything good will come of it.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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*revives*

Unlike the traditional Orb of Thralni, items with it_ability_1 = 213 can give the party extra rounds of flight while the party is still in the air. You don't have to land first.

This screws up the whole concept of having limited turns of flight.

As far as I can tell, a flying party skips all specials, too, which at least ought to be documented.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
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*revives*

Unlike the traditional Orb of Thralni, items with it_ability_1 = 213 can give the party extra rounds of flight while the party is still in the air. You don't have to land first.

This screws up the whole concept of having limited turns of flight.

As far as I can tell, a flying party skips all specials, too, which at least ought to be documented.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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A3 is there still a time limit? in The Avernum Trilogy
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There's still at least one time-based event in the game, but it's not preventable, so you can take your time as much as you like.

I never found time to be a factor at all in A3. I finished everything (literally every quest in the game) around day 110.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
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Specifically, creature_type is what you're looking for.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
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Specifically, creature_type is what you're looking for.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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