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Originally written by Major:

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but we've seen macroevolution happen too.
I'd like you to show me that.

Step into my lab and we'll watch fruit flies evolve. In a few weeks, they will have speciated. The fact that you haven't read the studies doesn't mean that they don't exist.

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I have a rant that I'd like to do about evolution somewhere, and this seems like the most reasonable place for it, so here goes.

One of the objections that people make to evolution is that we don't have gobs and gobs of fossils of all the intermediate creatures between species (even though we do have a fair number). People hear about "gaps in the fossil record" and think that such gaps must mean that creatures just spontaneously morphed from one thing into another. This doesn't follow, for a very particular reason.

I study Classics, which means I read Latin and Greek. Back in classical times, sometimes people would go to a library and write down the books that they found there. Sometimes they'd write summaries of books. Sometimes they'd just quote snippets. We have references to literally hundreds of major works of the classical era, vast epic poems in addition to the Iliad and the Odyssey that tell the rest of the story of the Trojan War, vanished early Latin poems by Ennius, lost plays by Aeschylus and many others, none of which are to be found anywhere.

One of the booming fields in Classics right now is papyrology, the study of papyrus scrolls that turn up when people dig in the ground in classical lands. Every now and then we'll find a page or two of an unknown poem or a lost speech or something. However, there are some works that are definitely lost, that we'll never see again. Still, the fact that these works did not survive in the ground by no means proves that they did not exist — and, indeed, we know that they did, because we have records of their titles, quotes from them, occasional scraps of them, and so forth. We know for a fact that what we dig up is a bare fraction of what once was.

If this is true for classical literature, written a scant couple thousand years ago, it must be overwhelmingly more true for biological history, many of the important parts of which occurred millions upon millions of years ago.

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Another way in which classics can shed light on biology is in the very process of evolution. It seems counter-intuitive to some people that random events without any guiding hand can create a highly ordered and aesthetically beautiful system. However, we know that this happens with language, and we can literally read the process happening.

All of the Romance languages (of which the major ones are Spanish, French, Italian, and Romanian) descend from Latin. We can tell that they descend from Latin because it is obvious from the grammatical features and the vocabulary. (For example, the sentence "I love you" is the same in Latin and in Spanish: te amo.) Moreover, we can see the process happening: people have been writing their native language in Spain ever since the Roman era, and we can trace the progression from Latin to Old Spanish to Modern Spanish through the texts that are found from the past two thousand years.

Latin had a very ordered grammar. Spanish has a very ordered grammar, but it is different, and the difference stems from the random chance of how people spoke and more often mis-spoke, and how those errors were passed on. In this case, we can literally see how random chance (following certain basic rules) changes one highly ordered system to another highly ordered system. We can watch linguistic evolution happen.

Moreover, we can find laws for linguistic evolution by watching it happen (as it continues to do) all over the world. There are rules for sounds that interchange more often than others, and there are rules for ways in which grammars shift: an inflectional language (like Russian) doesn't simply become an isolating language (like Mandarin Chinese) overnight.

We know that random chance can create ordered systems in language, so why not in biology, too? We know that these random shifts follow certain patterns in language, so why not in biology, too?

These are just some ways in which I think that other fields can make biological science more intuitive.

[ Wednesday, May 17, 2006 20:37: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Thuryl's point is probably the best one to make here.

Also, as probably a lesser point: if the wages of tradesmen really do go up enough to encourage as many people to become tradesmen as are needed to meet demand, I'm inclined to think that the economic damage will be rather a lot. Think about what would happen if the per-hour price of hiring an carpenter (now at a median price of $16.78, according to the Bureau of Labor website) matched that of hiring a software engineer (now more than double that, and it's much, much higher for specialized ones) — just for the sake of argument, let's say that such an increase would be enough incentive. I'm not an economist, but I'm guessing that doubling the labor cost of tradesmen would do crazy things to the cost of building and repairing homes, maintaining roads and general infrastructure, and a wide variety of other things.

[ Wednesday, May 17, 2006 20:01: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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a4 is the best game yet in Avernum 4
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Originally written by Spidweb:

This particular thing was quite intentional. Solberg was basically put on ice for a game. I intend for him to be back in a notable role in Avernum 5.
That's one of the more bizarre teasers I've ever heard. Now I am rather more intrigued by A5 than I ought to be.

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quote:
Originally written by Leena:

I had this awesome, but dirty, dream last night.
:D

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A lil dilemma... in Avernum 4
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A2. It has some really fun combats at various points (including my favorite combat in any Spiderweb game, the attack on the Ziggurat), and the plot is definitely better. I prefer the engine, too, but that's more of a personal preference.

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What exactly are slith avatars? in The Avernum Trilogy
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For example, the plague of undead in A3 on the island south of Gale is caused by Zkal. People like him make undead.

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a4 is the best game yet in Avernum 4
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Originally written by VCH:

I'm picturing an upset parent, who probably thinks Avernum is against their religion.
*cough* *Ben's parents* *cough*

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Originally written by *i:

All I can say is that your conclusions contradict observations. Either observations are wrong (not likely) or your model is not considering things. The problem is not showing signs of fixing itself, I'm afraid.
This is what I said last page. Let's see if it has any impact this time.

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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

As long as the coming dearth of plumbers doesn't make people steadily more ignorant and foolish, higher income for plumbers will bring more plumbers than we are getting now.... Reducing ignorance and folly would be a great idea, if we could do it. While we're working on that, rising plumber income under the free market will be helping, too.
Well, now we agree at least in part: if plumber's wages go up, there will be a few more plumbers. However, that doesn't mean that there will be enough plumbers (or carpenters or whatever), so there probably will still be a problem, and "reducing ignorance and folly" — getting more recruitment and publicity for the trades, perhaps, I don't know — is indeed a good idea, too.

This is what I've been saying all along: the market won't completely solve the problem by itself. It may help, but we can (and therefore probably should) take further actions ourselves.

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Originally written by PoD person:

You have neither refuted that wealth is being forcibly redistributed nor addressed the most obvious holes in your argument, welfare and public housing.
Wealth is being collected, yes, but I take issue with the idea that wealth is being collected as forcibly from the wealthy class now as it was from the Native Americans. It's being redistributed with the consent of the people from whom it is being taken — rich people have a vote, too, you know, which the Native Americans didn't.

And that fact that some of the money does not directly benefit the rich isn't relevant. Some of the money does, which means that everyone who pays taxes gets something in return. Many of the Native Americans didn't get much in return for the vast quantities of land and resources taken.

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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

Care to cite some data?
No. :P

In all seriousness, I don't have the data at hand, but I've read a few articles about this, and I have no doubt that someone who knew where to look could pull up the relevant figures. I just don't know where to look.

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Crank the reward for plumbing higher than it is now, while leaving the obstacles the same, and more young people will go into plumbing than they do now
You're assuming that everyone knows exactly what the "rewards" of all jobs are and can make reasonable comparisons, which I think can be demonstrated to be flawed right now: people make uninformed career choices all the time.

You're also assuming that the primary "reward" for a job is monetary compensation, which is potentially flawed, but I'm not sure that we need to go there.

[ Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:55: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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A Few More Advance Words On Geneforge 4 in Geneforge Series
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I just got a mod alert from someone unidentifiable — Freeman Ryan? — that said the following about ADoS's post in this thread:

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this man is adverising
and advertising to porn
Well, whoever you are, have no fear. If you click on that link, you go to Polaris, which is a Spiderweb satellite board (and therefore permissible to advertise) and is family-friendly (no porn).

And seriously, dude, do try to use a little common sense and excercise some fact-checking before you hit that Report Post button, please.

[ Tuesday, May 16, 2006 09:08: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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What exactly are slith avatars? in The Avernum Trilogy
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Originally written by Dikiyoba:

Dikiyoba seems to recall there being mention of nephil and slith bodies ready to be turned into undead in the ruined nephil fort in Avernum 2, but it's been too long since Dikiyoba has played it as well.
It was nephilim only, I believe, but yes. Some of the generic undead that one finds are actually nephilim undead, not human undead.

Aran: Yes, vahnavoi are undead, not vahnatai. In BoA, the only way that I know of to make a creature vulnerable to Repel Spirit is by setting its cr_species to 7 (Demon) or 8 (Undead), and vahnavoi are definitely set to 8 in corescendata.

[ Tuesday, May 16, 2006 08:55: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Benefits of joining then leaving Anama in A3? in The Avernum Trilogy
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There isn't much benefit to joining them in the first place. You get some cheaper spells and such (which you get to keep even if you leave), but you can learn them elsewhere anyway, so there's no real point.

Nothing gets taken away from you when you leave except your rings, though.

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Originally written by George Gammell Angell:

As I told Alec, I'm spelling "vagen" phonetically.
If you were spelling it according to English phonetics, then wouldn't it be, "Ya, ya, der vagenhumpen"?

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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

I pointed out the obvious correcting mechanism, that high school kids will start noticing that they can train for a couple of years in plumbing and then get rich.
That's already the case, though, and they're already not doing it.

Being a plumber is already better-paid than working in fast food, but people are applying to the latter jobs in vastly higher numbers than the former. (And here I mean for full-time work, as an actual job, not just a temporary thing, and higher numbers in terms of number of people applying per job opening.)

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Originally written by PoD person:

Certainly the way members of this board talk about it, the graduated income tax is the best way to use the wealthy to provide services for someone other than the wealthy, a textbook example of "if you want something someone else has, and you don't like the way they're using it, it's okay to take it for yourself by force."
The government is supposed to provide certain services that benefit everyone (roads, schools, etc.). These services cost money. That money has to come from somewhere, and there literally is not enough money among the lower-income earners to pay for all of it. Therefore, progressive taxation.

There's no need to resort to the argument that you've stuffed in my and others' mouths.

[ Tuesday, May 16, 2006 08:41: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Originally written by Molybdenum:

As far as the US having an international presence, historically the US has avoided the world stage unless required to act in the political arean - WW II, international courts, lack of support for UN missions etc. Although they do involve themselves, it is often reluctantly and is not a primary focus of their politics and media. (my impressions).
I will agree with you as far as saying that U.S. involvement on the world stage is usually not a primary focus of American media. However, the U.S. intervenes all over the place all the time. Alec can probably provide more evidence off the top of his head than I can, but my first thought is of Central America and the dozens of interventions there throughout the twentieth century.

The U.S. meddles in other countries' politics all the time, often because of *arguably* pressing reasons (Iraq 2003-?, Kosovo in '99, Haiti in '94 — do you remember that? I don't — Kuwait in '91, etc.). In fact, going back at least to the Spanish-American War, there's been an intervention somewhere in the world just about every three years by the U.S.

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Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:

It was a response to the rise of the muslim population in Europe,
The only substantial Muslim population in Europe in the eleventh century was in Spain, and that had been in place since the eighth century. What are you talking about?

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the first ones weren't called by the Pope, but rather by the church (priests, etc.), and therefore aren't counted among the crusades.
The first ones of what? Did you just say that the first crusades weren't called by the Pope and therefore aren't counted among the crusades? I can't find any evidence of an unofficial crusade before the First Crusade, which was definitely called by a Pope.

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The Seljuk Turks were not muslim.
Yes, they were. (Among other sources.) They weren't when they lived in Kazakhstan, but by the time they had come to the Middle East, they were.

[ Tuesday, May 16, 2006 08:31: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Originally written by Jewels:

The movie does a beautiful job of portraying the hijackers, not as evil, but as devout men of the Muslim faith.... Their actions are not that surprising considering they hold to the Old Testament, but not the New. God calling for the death of nations was not unheard of.
Wait, I'm sorry, I didn't read this until just now. Are you saying that Muslims believe in the Old Testament but not the New Testament? If so, that's entirely false. Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet just as much as Moses was.

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Originally written by Molybdenum:

Hostorically, America has kept itself out of international politics when possible and is genrally uninterested in its neighbors (even close ones like Canada) unless the neighbors have something of interest/value to themselves.
I would venture to say that that's not even remotely true, unless one qualifies that, either by saying that an enormous variety of countries have had something of interest or value to the U.S. over the course of the past century or so, or by saying that this is the impression that America's political leaders have wanted to convey in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

We've intervened a lot in international affairs, although we like to pretend that we haven't.

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Questions... in Avernum 4
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I typically recommend starting with A1, and I think I'm going to stick with that here. A4 has the latest engine, A3 is the biggest, and A2 has the best plot, but I think that A1 sets up the other games well.

If you like ToME, you might find yourself liking the Exile series, which is more or less the same thing as the Avernum series with a different (more old-school) engine. Blades of Exile is definitely worth a look, because it has a look-and-feel much like ToME (judging from some Googled screenshots of ToME), and BoE features several hundred scenarios for literally thousands of hours of gameplay.

I personally prefer Avernum to Exile, but you will hear varying opinions on that.

[ Monday, May 15, 2006 10:17: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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The Crusades, in theory, were a territorial grab, not an attempted genocide. They weren't trying to wipe out Jews and Muslims; they were just trying to get them out of the Holy Land.

The supposed purpose of the Crusades and the actual purposes of the individuals involved were often at variance, as in the Fourth Crusade, which never actually made it to Israel and ended up sacking Constantinople instead.

I was under the impression that the Turks in the Middle East at the time of the Crusades were overwhelmingly Muslim.

If anyone has any information to contradict any of this, it'd be worth citing sources, because what I've just said is the way the story is normally told in the books that I've read.

EDIT: That book is not new. The copyright date on it is 2000.

[ Monday, May 15, 2006 08:10: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Direct further discussion to this thread.

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Originally written by s:

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Originally written by Ash Lael:

If anyone is actually forming an opinion on anything based on the facts as portrayed in a film (no matter how good the film), that is worrying.
Welcome to real freaking life, Ash. Enjoy your stay :P

FYT.

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Not having read the past thirteen pages, I'm wondering about something: has any good idea been suggested yet?

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Strange Exile II bug in The Exile Trilogy
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I've never noticed that (for obvious reasons), but that's awesome. Does it work in any other Exiles?

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HLPM - James's dialogue gone.. in Blades of Avernum
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Darnit. I fail at copying and pasting.

Re-download. It should work now.

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