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*smacks forehead*

Duh. My bad. I think the limit is 24000, but I haven't done more testing and don't have time right now.

EDIT: Or possibly 16000... are you (Isaac) sure that it counts the "while" over and over again? Perhaps you should detail what testing you did.

EDIT 2: And actually, Khoth, I ran up against that limit already. The HLPM sets up shops specific to each level, and it ranges from level 5 to 100 (plus god). That means in one state, I put in enough calls to set up sixteen separate shops in twenty-one different ways, plus a series of dialog choices to indicate which of the twenty-one choices you wanted. This overloaded the system and I had to shorten it by setting up some of the shops differently.

And if I hit the limit already, I imagine real programmers will be hitting this limit from time to time.

[ Saturday, June 05, 2004 13:55: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Bug in Windows BoA? Related to HLPM in Blades of Avernum
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In this case, it just seems like BoA should've popped up one of its friendly error messages instead of fully crashing. That's the only issue I have with the way the engine worked in this case.

But I *do* have an issue with the way the error messages work in general. I can never figure out which line is line 1267, and it takes a fair amount of experimenting to do. When the error comes from that I'm missing parentheses and I have about 248578923478237593953 "if" calls, it is next to impossible to figure out what's gone wrong.

Thus I think it would be great if BoA would PRINT THE LINE THAT IS GIVING THE ERROR, so that when it says "Error [whatever] in line 987," it prints the text of line 987 right beneath that.

This would make debugging so much easier.

[ Saturday, June 05, 2004 13:46: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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War, war, war! in The Exile Trilogy
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Mr. Lookit My Saxy Body, horses are not "invunreable," but they have never been killed in any Exile or Avernum game. Thus we may deduce that they are invulnerable.

Thuryl, must you not only take Alec's name but also sound like him, too? It is becoming increasingly difficult to tell you two apart. :P

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Bug in Windows BoA? Related to HLPM in Blades of Avernum
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Fixed. New version uploaded to website. Thanks, Jeff!

[ Friday, June 04, 2004 15:33: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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We know about Geneforge 3...but what's next? in General
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Back to the original topic of this thread, Jeff sure is being mysterious about this new game. I just read the SW front page for the first time in a while, and noticed this (which is presumably what sparked fallen_avatar to post this topic in the first place):

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We are poking around at two new products now. One will be Geneforge 3, which we've already started coding. The other, we don't want to say much about yet.
I wonder why they don't want to say much about it. But then, that's why I am an ignorant n00b non-programmer type.

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Don't know if you've done this already, but you have to put the editor in a particular place (as referenced here).

And I'm back online.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Problems opening Windows BoA Scenario Editor in Blades of Avernum
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Don't know if you've done this already, but you have to put the editor in a particular place (as referenced here).

And I'm back online.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
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quote:
And methought you made the vow to never speak or make reference to me again?
I did. I have changed my mind. Now I've decided that I'm just not going to point out every point of disagreement I have with you, because then I'd be here all day.

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FBM, read my post again. I'm not wrong, because I said "maybe." I didn't want to make a statement about that.

EDIT: And for crying out loud, don't quibble. You're provide SUPPORT for what I'm saying, not contradicting it.

[ Friday, June 04, 2004 12:58: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Bug in Windows BoA? Related to HLPM in Blades of Avernum
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The scenario is at the site in the link in my sig. It's under "My Stuf," and "High Level Party Maker," specifically, here.

I've sent you an e-mail with the HLPM attached and an e-mail with a link to the web site. I'm not entirely clear why you haven't gotten it yet.

For the Mac graphics glitch, all you have to do is send a party (ANY party) into the scenario and walk around near the cave giant. Wait for him to turn away from facing north and then face north again. You will see a long, black line to his left. All of the creatures with the custom script do this, but it is most obvious with the cave giant.

As far as I can tell, for the PC error, all you need to do is take a party (ANY party) into the scenario and walk around for a bit. I haven't checked this on a PC, though; I'm just going from UA's report.

EDIT: UA got there first. Just for clarity: the cave giant is obvious. He's past the runes and to the northwest a little.

[ Friday, June 04, 2004 12:46: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Bug in Windows BoA? Related to HLPM in Blades of Avernum
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My hope is that this copy is corrupted because of extracting the .sit with a weird emulator program. I just uploaded a .zip for Windows users.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
BoA Editor Cookbook Version 0.3 in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Is Erik Westra still around and working on this? We haven't seen an update in a while, and I haven't seen him around on the boards at all.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
BoA Editor Cookbook Version 0.3 in Blades of Avernum
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Is Erik Westra still around and working on this? We haven't seen an update in a while, and I haven't seen him around on the boards at all.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
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Settings you would like to see future Spiderweb games take place in in General
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Your computer does have a text editor, right?

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BtI, I think the UK has regional cultural differences, too. Maybe England by itself doesn't, but the UK includes Scotland and Northern Ireland, too. Few reasonably sized countries don't have some regional variation. Even France has a slight variation with Provencal. And they have a few Basques, too, I think, although those are mainly in Spain.

Alo, Britney Spears will continue to be a representative of American culture for as long as she keeps making songs (and more importantly, music videos). IMAGE(tongue02.gif)

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Settings you would like to see future Spiderweb games take place in in General
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Just as an explanation, JV made the 8-year-old comment himself. It's not just Alec's interpretation of the games.

I have no issues with the majority of SW games. I enjoyed A1-3 greatly, and GF1-2, and Nethergate. I couldn't stand the Exile format, so I understand why JV made the Exiles into the Avernums. I intend to buy GF3 the day it comes out and play it through to completion. These games, I think, are fine. I do have issues with the way Jeff has handled Blades and the Blades community, but I wasn't even aware of that until I joined these boards.

I find it rather surprising that Alec has already concluded that the BoA editor seems crippled and useless. You've had that editor for how long? A couple of days? It takes some getting used to.

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An insult to the Vahnatai - "Soul Crystals" in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Erm, speaking as an ignorant non-programmer type, shouldn't you include in the patch all of the files that were changed from the old version, including (if necessary) the corescendata files?

*goes to download a full new copy, not knowing what else might be different*

EDIT: *ack* *discovers that the patch to 1.1 is all there is... the full version downloads as 1.0.1*

[ Thursday, June 03, 2004 13:59: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
An insult to the Vahnatai - "Soul Crystals" in Blades of Avernum
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Erm, speaking as an ignorant non-programmer type, shouldn't you include in the patch all of the files that were changed from the old version, including (if necessary) the corescendata files?

*goes to download a full new copy, not knowing what else might be different*

EDIT: *ack* *discovers that the patch to 1.1 is all there is... the full version downloads as 1.0.1*

[ Thursday, June 03, 2004 13:59: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Alec, that is what I said too. We do have an American cultural identity. We as individuals just have other ones in addition.

AM: I suppose my only issue was with the semantics, really. A situation of so much diversity that no one can claim primacy seems more like a slate with lots and lots of scribbles on it than a blank slate, but I guess it comes out to the same thing.

Certainly we don't have a situation like Israel where two sides both claim the same land... although come to think of it, we did up until a little over a hundred years ago. The only difference is that the Native Americans got obliterated by... I can't think of the right term, but the other Americans, whereas neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians seem to have the ability nor the tacit international permission to commit genocide.

I never thought about it that way. Hmm.

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He still hasn't fixed that? Drakey and I both e-mailed him when v1.0.0 came out, and I can understand him ignoring me, but Drakey was a beta tester.

Makes me wonder why we bother at all...

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
An insult to the Vahnatai - "Soul Crystals" in Blades of Avernum
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He still hasn't fixed that? Drakey and I both e-mailed him when v1.0.0 came out, and I can understand him ignoring me, but Drakey was a beta tester.

Makes me wonder why we bother at all...

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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BoA Editor Problems in Tech Support
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You're still on your Mac, right? Put the two new apps for v1.1 (the BoA app itself and the scenario editor) right next to the old apps, or where the old apps used to be. You shouldn't have to do anything else.

Don't change the titles of any of the folders. The BoA editor goes in the Blades of Avernum Files folder.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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AM: "Heritage" isn't better, I think. We have traditions (Thanksgiving, and how many atheists celebrate Christmas as a secular commercial holiday?) just as much as any other place. We have a history going back long before any of us were born. I'm not sure that "hundreds of years" vs. "thousands of years" makes a huge difference on the cultural consciousness, because the gut feeling is, it's a darn long time either way.

However, I do think the fact that most of us (if not all) can trace our ancestry back to somewhere else does have an influence, not because we don't have an American heritage (because we certainly do), but because we have an awareness that we have more than that, too.

FBM: That's when they think about Americans, not about American culture. American culture is still McDonald's, Mickey Mouse, and Britney Spears, as far as I know.

EDIT: I just read the remaining parts of both preceding posts, and as incoherent as FBM is, I think he has a point. The US was not founded in emptiness, although the rhetoric of virtually every politician until the twentieth century would indicate otherwise. And I think religious toleration came more from the fact that the US was already religiously diverse by the time it was founded than from having come from a blank slate.

I guess we could do to the other societies that have ancestral claims to their land what we did to the societies here that had valid ancestral claims to their land, though, namely slaughter them wholesale.

[ Thursday, June 03, 2004 09:40: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Given that it took Jeff approximately four years working full time to create A1-3, I'd say offhand that you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of finishing this endeavor. Even if you did, why? The spell system has been significantly redone for Blades, so things wouldn't work right.

A1-3 already exist. I can't imagine why you would want to recreate them.

However, recreating small portions of Avernum and setting a Blades scenario inside the Avernum universe is not a bad idea. This holds promise (or at least I would hope so, given that this is what I'm doing).

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
We know about Geneforge 3...but what's next? in General
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Ah, yes, the familiar topic. Well, BoG is not out of the question, although I don't think we'll see it for a bit (because of Jeff's comment here to the effect that we won't see it for two or three years). Assuming that GF3 gets done in less than two years, that means we'll see another game in between.

As I am fond of stating, apparently, I'd like to see something more done with the Nethergate concept, like the Aztec idea over in this topic. Jeff himself said he might do an Avernum 4, but I think this is a bad idea, for reasons I listed in an older version of this topic.

Gah, this has been done too much. I will say no more.

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