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Too influenced by desp TGM...

Vogel does not have the storywriting skills of a nine year old because:
1: He is not 9 years old.
Doesn't stop you. ^_^
2: The world of Avernum and the surface and all that is pretty interesting.
This is circular -- 'he writes well because he writes well', basically...
3: He has some very cool ideas, like the vanatahi.
The Vahnatai are probably his only original idea in the Exile continuum...
4: He is cool.
If he makes Avernum 4, I'm going to be pissed -- his position on Exile 4 was 'no, of course not', and having a B-list sprite artist working with him isn't going to make up for the fact that Avernum's engine dynamic is far less attactive than Exile's. And don't get me started on Geneforge -- it says he'd sooner be developing Diabloids if he had the skill or the resources.

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[b]After reading more of this topic, I am digusted!
How dare we, the created, judge the creator. Humans are flawed, as they were meant to be. So how could a flawed being create what is wrong and what is not? God is perfection, and what is flawed can not understand what is not flawed. God is god, we will never fully understand him, that is why God will seem like a silly or stupid thing to you.

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Willful ignorance? Religion is created by man, on there belief that there holy book says this and that. I am not very intelligent, but after seeing what God can do, I need no further proof of his exsistence. Also if you know anything about God you will know there is a reason why he created the flawed being we call man. Please take your willfull ignorance else where, it will get you nowhere with me.
EDIT: And for someone who lives in America, you truly are ignoring Gods blessing on your country. Look at the rest of the world, including the Middle East. You are a very lucky person.

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Ye of little faith. Soddom and Gomorra, is a good example, destroyed for all the horrible sins that took place there. Though I can tell the Bible is nothing more then paper to you, it is still true, and I will happily take that to my grave.

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[b]Comparing gays to diets? I am sorry, but thats really not a good argument. Look I can tell God means nothing to you. FINE. Part of being human is the choice to do what you want, whether it be right or wrong. In the end, believe me or not, all will be judged for thier actions. Good, or terribly bad.
EDIT: Honestly, you need to see what you have closed yourself off from, you may be surprised at what it might accomplish. Also, your blasphemy is grounded in little or no faith.

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*A creator who should not judge? Being gay is part of genetics? Seperation? God will be judged?We are all a little bi?* The world has strayed far from God, which mearly means we are closer to the endtimes. I am sorry to all I offend, but being, "that way" is wrong. I am not telling you what to do, but regardless, you will be judged for your actions in the end, right or wrong.

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*A creator who should not judge?
Why would an omnipotent creator create flawed creations?
Being gay is part of genetics?
The Bible says nothing about this. Science tends to say it is. When the Bible is silent and science is not, I believe science before I believe the church.

Seperation? God will be judged?
'Seperation' I do not get. 'God will be judged' is not what anyone said here...

We are all a little bi?*
Denying your nature gets no one anywhere. Refuting this one is like trying to claim that some people are genuinely incapable of murder.

The world has strayed far from God, which mearly means we are closer to the endtimes.
You are aware that they've been saying this since St. Paul's day, right? I think fundies have had long enough to produce an eschaton, so we're all taking 'the end times are upon us!' with a grain of salt.
I am sorry to all I offend, but being, "that way" is wrong. I am not telling you what to do, but regardless, you will be judged for your actions in the end, right or wrong.
I've conferred with God on this one. God says he'd prefer people to be themselves -- after all, He created them that way!
Herein lies the problem with pushing morality. Unless you are willing to say 'God likes me more than you' point-blank, there's no way to say which of us are right. We could both produce Scripture to support us -- which surely proves Scripture is an awful thing to cite in an argument, no?

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Comparing gays to diets? I am sorry, but thats really not a good argument.
I can agree with you up to this point...
Look I can tell God means nothing to you.
...and WHAM! You completely invalidated the rest of your argument! Assuming 'godless Atheist' of someone who disagrees with you is inherently fallacious. I'd say mild agnostic is as far on that end as you're likely to get; some of the most devout Christians on the board would disagree with you vigorously on your positions. Be careful not to exclusivize!
FINE. Part of being human is the choice to do what you want, whether it be right or wrong. In the end, believe me or not, all will be judged for thier actions. Good, or terribly bad.
Why would an omnipotent and just God allow suffering, especially eternal suffering?
EDIT: Honestly, you need to see what you have closed yourself off from, you may be surprised at what it might accomplish. Also, your blasphemy is grounded in little or no faith.
Be careful of slinging insults around, again.

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Ye of little faith.
Again, the insults...
Soddom and Gomorra, is a good example, destroyed for all the horrible sins that took place there.
Sodom, Gamorrah. And yes, they were destroyed for their sins. Why do you assume they were destroyed for homosexuality? Gamorrah was destroyed, if I recall correctly, for the seven deadly sins; Sodom was burn to the ground for, uh, trying to rape a pair of angels. Condemnations of 'sodomy' are therefore easily condemnations against rape, condemnations against irreverence, condemnations even for treason against guests. Concluding that God disapproves of homosexuality because he destroyed Sodom is circular at best, and it smacks of someone spoon-fed his beliefs by a priest or pastor.
Though I can tell the Bible is nothing more then paper to you,
Ah, again with the insults. And really, IS it anything more than paper? Does it resist matches, does it hold firm against folding or spindling, does it hold fast in the breeze? I understand the metanymy here, but it's awkward.
it is still true, and I will happily take that to my grave.
The Bible is a beautiful book. Taking it as the literal truth is the mark of an illiterate fool -- the Hebrew language is rich in metaphor, half of the holy men of Israel had names which were elaborate puns, and as a book of facts it is very bad at being consistent.

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Willful ignorance? Religion is created by man, on there belief that there holy book says this and that.
And on the belief that anything which disagrees with the book is unequivocally wrong...?
I am not very intelligent, but after seeing what God can do, I need no further proof of his exsistence.
And after seeing what God has not done, many need no further proof of his absence.
Also if you know anything about God you will know there is a reason why he created the flawed being we call man.
Funny, I've read the Bible cover to cover several times, I've spent long periods in prayer and meditation, and I've ruminated long and hard over the nature of the deity, and I can find absolutely no reason an omnipotent, just God would create a flawed being.

Please take your willfull ignorance else where, it will get you nowhere with me.
Pot... kettle... you know the rest.
EDIT: And for someone who lives in America, you truly are ignoring Gods blessing on your country.
What blessing? We came in, committed biological warfare -- try dying of smallpox, it's the closest you can get to being tortured to death by nature -- we fought armed wars against our neighbors, we favored and continued to favor the rich and powerful over the weak and helpless of the world, and we have turned religion into a thriving house of merchandise. I do not see how God factors into this at all.
Look at the rest of the world, including the Middle East. You are a very lucky person.
This is an incredibly ignorant remark and I refuse to so much as respond to it further.

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After reading more of this topic, I am digusted!
Keep the righteous outrage to a dull roar. We have too many people getting coronaries over stupid things as is.
How dare we, the created, judge the creator.
God has given me a brain to use -- does He then lay down upon me his wrath for making the use of it He intended?
Humans are flawed, as they were meant to be. So how could a flawed being create what is wrong and what is not?
Odd. I doubt you believe the Rig Veda is a divine book -- and it contains a code of morality very much like Christianity's. Do you argue that man cannot create an effective moral code? If so, this refutes it well.
God is perfection, and what is flawed can not understand what is not flawed.
Error: assumptions. We are assuming people are flawed, and God is 'perfection'. Neither of these are a given, nor even a logical conclusion, and both of them depend on one another.

God is god, we will never fully understand him, that is why God will seem like a silly or stupid thing to you.
The Lord is not an author of confusion.

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