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Raven v. Writing Desk
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You really think these boards will still be here in 10 years? I dunno... it's entirely possible, but 10 years is a long time on the web. Servers die. Interests change. Projects diminish. Stuff disappears for no good reason. You never know.

Edit: Well, I suppose once Google takes over the world we will always have the Google archive. (Did you guys hear about their proposal to provide free wireless internet access to all of San Francisco? Crazy...)

[ Sunday, January 08, 2006 20:13: Message edited by: Slartucker ]

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Editing stuff manually in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #3
The script files contain almost all information about item types, terrain types, creature types, and attack types (except for the graphics).

They also contain combat scripts and dialog.

They do NOT contain information on actual terrain placement, object placement, character placement, etc. and so on. That stuff is stored in non-text form. Good luck finding and/or editing it. You won't.

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Slarty vs. DeskDesk vs. SlartyTimeline of ErmarianG4 Strategy Central
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Editing stuff manually in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #1
1. Open up the Scripts folder (preferably on a copy of your game, and not the original) and look for "av4itemschars.txt" -- this stores most information about items. Find the entry for an item you want to modify (say, a hatchet) and then find the entry for an item that does what you want it to do (say, a stick). Most of the parameters have pretty obvious names, so just change what you need to to make the hatchet function like the stick, and voila.

(One important note: if you see "import = XX" that item will "import" the parameters from another item to use as a base. If you don't, it will import the parameters from the item right before it in the file.)

2. Doubtful.

3. Also doubtful. I don't think any characteristics related to PC race are stored in the scripts.

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Slarty vs. DeskDesk vs. SlartyTimeline of ErmarianG4 Strategy Central
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General Enquiry in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #4
It sounds like you may have played some of the Exile games? If that's the case, you'll be up to date on the story as the story is almost exactly the same in each of the original trilogy games.

Avernum 4 tends to hit you over the head repeatedly with summaries of what happened in the older games, so you won't be confused. What you will miss out on are all the details of the world of Avernum. Avernum 4 tends to skim over many of these things. If you like intricately developed fantasy worlds à la Lord of the Rings, you might prefer to play Avernum 1 and 2 first -- the Sliths will seem less barbaric, the names of the powerful wizards you keep hearing about will mean a lot more to you, each city will have its own character, and (perhaps most significantly) the Vahnatai will seem like a real people and less like weird cartoonish supervillains.

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Nimble Fingers in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #6
To be fair, it does cost you 12 MP per door to cast Unlock Doors. So there is a *teeny tiny* advantage to just using Tool Use on doors. How teeny tiny, you ask? Very teeny tiny.

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FIne Slith Spear, not so fine? in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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1. A Bronze Halberd will do more damage if you have a high attack bonus (Str + Pole + Blademaster). If you don't, the Spear will. Try them out.

2. While I like the new armor system very much, it does mean that the difference between different pieces of armor becomes very small, as far as protection goes. Given how easy it is to heal, an extra 10% protection is never really going to be significant unless you are stretched to your absolute limit fighting some powerful enemy. The protection you get from a Blessed Breastplate over a regular one is significantly less than the bonus from the Protection or Steel Skin spells, too.

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Slarty vs. DeskDesk vs. SlartyTimeline of ErmarianG4 Strategy Central
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Party Useful Skills? in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #13
Unless you're playing Geneforge 2, 4 points of Parry is rarely going to block acid breath. Are you sure something else isn't happening?

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Age in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #25
Whereas the morphology of Alorael seems to be rather unusual, given its inexplicable variation with Aloreal and now Alorale.

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Age in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #23
So let me get this straight: Alorael is a 54-year-old Korean transvestite of indeterminate gender?

Oy.

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Geneforge 4: "Not a Shaper" in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #16
Well, the Vahnatai did get hinted at a lot in Exile before they made their grand entrance in Exile II.

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Slarty vs. DeskDesk vs. SlartyTimeline of ErmarianG4 Strategy Central
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The Enduring Priest-Tank in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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Update: As expected, getting past Almaria gave me a big boost in power, most importantly from the Cryos Spear allowing me a natural 10 AP, but also from Steel Skin and Divine Fire. The natural 10 AP is nice as it makes dealing with regular enemies much less of a chore.

I went and mopped up Nociduas, who was pretty easy, although I did have trouble the 10% of the time that his demon pal hit me -- for the first time since the goblin caves, I had to use healing potions (an elixir, in this case) to stay alive. I probably should have cast my own Enduring Shield rather than using the fountain's Enduring Armor, which had a weaker dodge effect. Oh well. Sort of a pointless victory, since the Emerald Chestguard isn't useful for me.

At the moment, I'm dealing with my frustration at finding ANOTHER big system of tunnels under the Great Cave. Those chitrach tunnels really made me hate tunnels forever. The Honeycomb didn't help, either. All these tunnel systems are making it increasingly unlikely that I'll play through the game a second time.

Soon, I should be able to grab an Enchanter's Robe from the necromancer (I don't want to craft one, as that Mandrake is gonna turn into knowledge later), and then I'll have my +3 to Mage Spells earning me Dispel Barrier. Then I get to go loot my list of 26 unpierced barriers.

Oh, yeah. The Sulfurous Flats dungeon didn't ruffle my feathers at all. I don't know what all the fuss is over. (Well, it didn't ruffle my character's feathers; I'll admit to being a little annoyed by all the Searing Geneforge Creature Clones... honestly, if you're going to copy the graphic, at least change the !@#$ adjective!)

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Slarty vs. DeskDesk vs. SlartyTimeline of ErmarianG4 Strategy Central
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A4 Causing Crashes in Tech Support
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #6
Is there some technical reason why A4 (and other games) are so unhappy with ever being in the background? I have to say, it's kind of annoying.

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Age in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #19
Interestingly different from the stats. Half the votes are 16-20, and almost all are 12-22. Rather different from a mean age of 24!

Mmph. I feel like an outlier now. Heh.

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Nimble Fingers in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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No, not at all.

1) The only thing you actually *need* Tool Use for is getting past the "alarm" traps that make towns hostile. All other traps can be ignored, and any door Tool Use will help open can be opened without it.

2) You won't get to 15. The most you can get out of the trait is 12 points, at level 60. Even a singleton is not likely to get more than 9 points out of it (levels 42-47) and for most of the game, you'll have significantly less. To be fair, you can buy two levels in Almaria if you really want to wait that long, and there is also the +3 from equipment which is timely enough. But even with those bonuses, you'll have to invest skill points to get up to 15 or 16.

3) Even if you want to put points in Tool Use manually, do the math -- it's NOT a savings compared with the other traits. It costs 42 skill points to buy 12 points of Tool Use (40 if you wait till after Almaria). The trait will give you 9 levels (if you don't mind waiting till the end of the game to have use of all of them), so that's a savings of 38-40 skill points.

That's the equivalent of about 7 levels of Priest Spells, or 6 of Mage Spells. Pure Spirit and Natural Mage increase those stats at the same rate as Nimble Fingers increases Tool Use. However, if you plan on using much magic, you are obviously going to want to buy more than 6 or 7 levels. Since trait skill bonuses don't increase the cost to buy skill levels, the skill points you save should essentially be calculated starting with the first level you don't buy. i.e., if I buy 6 levels of Priest Spells and get a bonus 4 levels, the bonus 4 levels are not worth (4 + 4 + 5 + 5 = 18) but (7 + 7 + 8 + 8 = 30).

So basically, at ANY point in the game, unless you forego magic entirely, you are ALWAYS better off buying Tool Use manually and selecting a different trait. In the mid and late game, the magic traits outshine Nimble Fingers by truly ridiculous proportions.

(Admittedly, I'd rather have the First Aid bonus than the Magical Efficiency, but even if you value M.E. at zero (which is unfair) First Aid is a cheap skill and the bonus to it is small (1 + 1 every 10 levels).

Elite Warrior is also a better deal. Parry costs 3 to start with, I don't remember what Blademaster is -- I think 4, but it's effectively a lot higher since you have to waste a bunch of points in the hand-to-hand weapon skill you're not using in order to access it.

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Slarty vs. DeskDesk vs. SlartyTimeline of ErmarianG4 Strategy Central
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Queer Parry results in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #1
Update: Perhaps I should have named this thread "bum luck." Luck does not seem to increase resistance to any kind of magical attack, either. Sheesh!

All the other stats and protective spells function about as expected against magical attacks. Resistance is very effective. Prismatic shield seems to vary randomly against each individual attack; I got results ranging pretty much from 0% ro 50%. Steel Skin and Protection were both a solid 25%. This was with a combined spell stat of 30.

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Dialogues in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #5
And amen to that. "Dynamic persistent worlds" my butt.

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Queer Parry results in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #0
So I ran some testing with a fresh character. OK, not quite fresh; I maxxed out his experience at 60,000, for level 61. I doubt that would have any effect on this, but it's worth taking into account. These tests involved the guards in Ft Monastery attacking me. (Edit: he was naked, of course.)

Average damage, rounded (% reduction) -- stats improved

35 (00%) -- none
29 (17%) -- 10 Hardiness
23 (34%) -- 30 Hardiness
36 (-3%) -- 10 Luck
35 (00%) -- 30 Luck
28 (20%) -- 10 Hardiness, 10 Resistance
29 (16%) -- 10 Hardiness, 30 Resistance
7 (80%) -- 10 Parry
5 (86%) -- 30 Parry

Conclusions:
• Luck and Resistance don't reduce physical damage at all. This is very strange for Luck, since Luck increases your Armor rating!
• Hardiness probably acts as 2% armor per point, with the regular 10- and 20- skill effect ceilings.
• Parry is truly gross.

Parry also did some *really* weird things with dodge rate. Parry rate maxxes out at 50% (at 9 points, I believe) and this was the highest parry rate I ever observed, or saw displayed. The guards had a displayed hit rate of 67%. However, with 10 Parry, they hit me only four times out of the first ~40 attacks. With 30 Parry, they hit me only twice out of the first ~40 attacks. (Yes, I am taking into account the Dex and Defense I had to buy to access Parry.)

I also ended up observing some magic attack damage thanks to a sometimes nosy Lark. I didn't see this for the Hardiness or Resistance tests, unfortunately. But Parry *does* reduce magic attack damage (at least for single target spells). 10 Parry reduced damage by ~10%, and 30 reduced it by ~22%. Not a huge reduction, but it's something.

The actual parry rate against targetted magical attacks appears to be 1% per effective point of Parry, maxxing out therefore at 18% with 29 or 30 Parry.

[ Friday, January 06, 2006 19:29: Message edited by: Slartucker ]

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Slarty vs. DeskDesk vs. SlartyTimeline of ErmarianG4 Strategy Central
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Party Useful Skills? in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #10
The scripts agree with Thuryl. Until you get the special bows, even a Javelin has a bigger multiplier than a Longbow. You will certainly see a difference with Razordisks, as they have a 1-5 multiplier, compared to 1-2 or 1-3 for all bows save the Heartstriker.

Alo, some queer parry test results coming in a new thread.

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Party Useful Skills? in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #7
Dodging is definitely harder on Torment, since the enemies are higher level. At the moment, my singleton is still at 1% when I switch to Torment; I doubt that will be true at the end of the game, though.

However, with a party of four, you could definitely accomplish it for one or two characters. You just have a front-liner pump all the dodge stats, while a dedicated priest pumps his magic stats. Shield the front-liner and voila.

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Party Useful Skills? in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #5
Hmm. Parry didn't reduce damage consistently when I tested... perhaps I should try some more.

Does it also reduce missile damage?

And more relevantly, does it reduce magic damage? If it does, then perhaps we really have been underrating it...

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Party Useful Skills? in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #3
Some clarifications on Thuryl's post. First of all, Gymnastics does exactly the same thing as Dexterity (except it doesn't boost missile attacks as well). Defense and Luck also add to this dodge stat, as do the Enduring Shield/Armor spells. At Normal difficulty, you pretty much have to pump all of these stats to become "almost immune" to physical attacks.

Parry protects against melee attacks at 5% plus 5% per point of Parry up to 10 points. After that it's 5% every 2 points, and after 20 it's 5% every 3 points. So this is good protection, but you won't get the kind of 99% immunity that a good dodge stat will provide, not even late game. Also, Parry provides very poor protection against missile attacks (this includes bows and thrown weapons as well as most magic attacks). Neither Parry nor dodging protects against area of effect spells.

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Slarty vs. DeskDesk vs. SlartyTimeline of ErmarianG4 Strategy Central
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Moral dilemmas in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #13
Right, I was getting my crappy legal-police dramas mixed up. I suppose CSI: Avernum would be more like Avernum 3. All that evidence to analyze... and you certainly collect enough assorted monster limbs.

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Moral dilemmas in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #8
"If you talk to him enough times, he eventually attacks you of his own accord, in which case you can at least claim self-defence."

What is this, CSI: Avernum? "Let's psychologically manipulate the culprit until he goes crazy and takes a swing at us. That's totally ethical."

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what does A4 offer us? in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #40
"*what is with barely being able to move during fight mode?"

Huh? In previous games, you could move four squares or move three and attack. In Avernum 4, you can move eight squares or move three and attack. How is that less mobility?

I guess there is the 'slowing' effect, but that's only significantly worse than the free attack your enemies got in previous games if you are significantly stronger than your enemies, in which case, who care.s

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Firebolt in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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Ooh. Nice catch Thuryl.

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