What do YOU want to see in G4?
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, May 11 2005 15:23
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I would like to see more realistic reactions when you powergame. If you join and then betray three factions, why the hell would the fourth let you join? -------------------- Nobody appreciates me. It's all "Igor! Fetch some wine!" "Igor! Clean up this experiment!" or "Igor! Bury this in the garden, we're leaving town in 10 minutes!" —Alorael, who tried to become a deivore once. The priest gave him a funny look after the third wafer. Posts: 301 | Registered: Thursday, October 2 2003 07:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Wednesday, May 11 2005 15:33
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Well, it's not like there's easy newsflow in any of the GF games. These kinds of questions are hard to address in open-ended, computer-based RPGs like Jeff's... the player will always find something unexpected to do. Dialogue pretty much has to be pre-scripted, and you can't predict everything. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 00:21
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No easy newsflow? There can be a threeway war, no merchants passing from city to city, all routes blocked, and still someone will know what i have said in Drypeak Warrens when i arrive in Riseing. -------------------- "..The seventh wave of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery, piled dead and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and at last knew the number of his days." Posts: 522 | Registered: Wednesday, May 4 2005 07:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 04:34
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In the Shaper world, the walls really do have ears. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 09:18
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And that's another thing. Why does everybody know your opions and actions wherever you go? Do people have nothing better to do than gossip about you? I think that now that the day counter has been implemented, it should take a while for news to spread. -------------------- Nobody appreciates me. It's all "Igor! Fetch some wine!" "Igor! Clean up this experiment!" or "Igor! Bury this in the garden, we're leaving town in 10 minutes!" —Alorael, who tried to become a deivore once. The priest gave him a funny look after the third wafer. Posts: 301 | Registered: Thursday, October 2 2003 07:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 09:41
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I think this is a question of the plot outgrowing the basic game assumptions. On Sucia island, this made perfect sense, since your appearance on the island was a big deal and you were, inherently, one of the most powerful forces there. There were few settlements and each one had spies from the others! In GF3, it makes very little sense -- similarly Litalia's apparent obsession with you. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 10:35
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You're special. ;) -------------------- Q: What is the sound of one hand clapping? A: The sound of someone getting smacked upside the head. Duct tape is like the force. It has a good side and a dark side and it binds the universe together. Don't worry Alorael, custom titles are overrated. Posts: 154 | Registered: Saturday, February 26 2005 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 11:06
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quote:if you are a shaper or guardian she has a crush on you ;) but if you are an agent she just wants to be friends ;) same goes for female guardians and shapers :D Posts: 507 | Registered: Tuesday, March 1 2005 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 11:54
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shaping serviles would be cool. Perhaps it could be a reward for loyalty to the shapers. -------------------- The Knight Between Posts. Posts: 2395 | Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 11:58
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No, this is where G3 finally does make sense: you really are important. After all, you are going to be the one who kills either Akhari Blaze or Lord Rahul. You may start out as a mere apprentice, but you are an unusually brilliant one. You are the only surviving shaper on Greenwood, and on Harmony you are the only shaper other than Diwaniya, who is tied down in San Ru. Naturally you are a very important figure on those islands. By the time you get to Dhonal's isle, you are strong enough to have a major impact on the island, in a situation where everyone else is at an impasse. And so it goes. G3 improves a lot on its predecessors in not having all its powerful NPCs sitting around with their thumbs in unnatural postures, while the PC dominates the world just by showing a little hustle. Hoge, Litalia, the various spies and infiltrators from both sides, and even General Greiner (in a sense) are all active agents, who do the kind of things the PC would try to do in their positions. All they really lack is the PC's high potential for increase in power, and your literally suicidal boldness (because you can always reload). And the game offers some plausible reasons why Akhari and Rahul stay home: Akhari is finishing the Geneforge (which he is able to do all by himself for a change), and Rahul is presumably exercising his ability to control large armies of creations from a vast distance. The two conspicuously passive NPCs, Diwaniya and Khyryk, are given convincing motives for their passivity, and are explicitly criticized for it in the game. [ Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:01: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ] -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 13:46
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What i like about G3 is the presence of more Shapers, you really get the feeling that the Shapers actually have the power they try to flaunt. I had hoped that you would have more Shaper on Shaper or Dual-shaper against rouge action, like when killing the creator on Dhonald's. -------------------- "..The seventh wave of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery, piled dead and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and at last knew the number of his days." Posts: 522 | Registered: Wednesday, May 4 2005 07:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 14:58
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Convicingly argued, SoT. I suppose if you are a loyalist, you -are- in a rather unique position. And as for the rebels, I guess Litalia and Hoge would have a harder time going undercover -- though considering that most of the other shapers have never heard of Litalia and don't know anything about Hoge's defection, I don't know that it would be that hard for them. True, they have OD'd on canisters, but you can do that and get things done just fine. The really confusing thing, though, is WHY YOU? It is apparently not an accident that you were not killed in the attack on the school. Why no fuss over, say, Greta, who is clearly sympathetic, and seems to have had nearly as much training as you? (If the GF1 shaper who's "years away" from learning simple magic spells can master shaping, surely Greta can too.) And why save you, when no one seems to have any idea what you think of the conflict? -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 15:31
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It somewhat annoyed me back in G1 that you had no choice but to use canisters to survive. In G2 and G3 you can go without even touching them, maybe useing a spellbook now and then, so why not a few spellbooks in G1? It WAS an advanced Shaper station. -------------------- "..The seventh wave of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery, piled dead and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and at last knew the number of his days." Posts: 522 | Registered: Wednesday, May 4 2005 07:00 |
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His Mighty Tentacle
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written Thursday, May 12 2005 17:30
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Go back and play G1 again. You DO find spellbooks. Most of them have rotted away to nothing, or have had the pages ripped out by serviles or rogues. Or water came in and dripped on them. I suspect that Hoge blabs about you to his masters. Litalia hints at this, as she seems familiar with you. You, being a prize pupil, are targeted by people pulling your strings the whole way. A Drakkon, I believe, hints at this, when you meet him, he implies that he left his mark in you, as you used canisters that were made for you. It's the way he says what he says... Meaning that this whole time, Hoge and company have marked you from the beginning so they can groom you for the rebels. They put you in your own private room down deep in the basement so you will survive the attack, make sure you have armor and weapons, and offer you the illusion of clever survival when in reality it is all cunningly planned. By using the canisters, they can track you and your progress. But you also put their mark in you, and the Drakkon can see this when he meets you for the first time. You are young, naive, and when in a desperate situation, you make a grab for any sort of power you can find. IE, the canisters. Hoge clearly leaves that first canister for you in the fort. Hmmm. -------------------- If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish. Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish. Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, May 13 2005 00:15
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You find a few, true, but no way enough for you to be able to survive without canisters. But i guess that the mood in G1 was more focused on the use of canisters, and that you could use allot more of them in G1 befoe you went crazy and detached. -------------------- "..The seventh wave of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery, piled dead and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and at last knew the number of his days." Posts: 522 | Registered: Wednesday, May 4 2005 07:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Friday, May 13 2005 00:26
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It's entirely possible to finish Geneforge 1 without using any canisters, especially if you're playing as a Guardian. It's more difficult, but that's the point, isn't it? -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, May 13 2005 11:46
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I'd like more places to train cheaply. The canisters are fine but there should be people who will increase your skills for less than 5,000 coins. -------------------- The Knight Between Posts. Posts: 2395 | Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, May 13 2005 11:52
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As a guardian, maybe, but since you learn even the simplest spell from a canistern then it becomes almost impossible for Agents and Shapers. -------------------- "..The seventh wave of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery, piled dead and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and at last knew the number of his days." Posts: 522 | Registered: Wednesday, May 4 2005 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Monday, May 23 2005 09:03
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People who do not want to hear about minotaurs this is not about them. In G2 there was the misfit gazer dude (i forget his name) who wasn't a part of any faction. You didn't have to kill him to kill him and being as powerful as he is why cuodn't he have escapedlike Isssss-ta and Amena blade. Coudn't he be a powerful Awakened leader leading a powerful faction? He would attract shapers like Greta serviles like Heust blade and those 4 drayks on Dhonal(3 in darkstone mine 1 guarding the door to the creator. Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, May 25 2005 12:30
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I wanna see some third Lv creations(especially Battle Gammas) to make the game more interesting. Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, May 25 2005 19:33
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Make the boats look like boats not some horrible magnified mess. Please don't use the Avernum boat again Jeff. -------------------- The Knight Between Posts. Posts: 2395 | Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Saturday, May 28 2005 12:38
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Someone write something interesting. This is my favorite topic. Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Too Sexy for my Title
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written Saturday, May 28 2005 14:32
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I would like to see more reality in the characters. Something such as them getting tired or hungry; sure it would be anoying at times, but I would still like that. I also like the idea of playing a shaping servile kinda, though it would be unlikely given the story line. Having more characters would be way better too Posts: 1035 | Registered: Friday, April 1 2005 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Saturday, May 28 2005 15:40
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Get rid of the annoying three-creation limit. It limits the roleplaying options for no particularly good reason. -------------------- Whatever happens, happens. Posts: 48 | Registered: Monday, April 4 2005 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, May 31 2005 06:27
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Three-creation limit? Don't you mean seven? I would like the possibility to answer certain questions the way you feel, even though it is not the way of your road. For example: You are asked by a servile keeper what you should do about the serviles too scared to work. One answer is force them, one answer is let them rest untill the monsters are gone..But what if i feel hat both are bad choices? What if i simply say "Have them escorted by guards"? I know it is impossible to have the game understand written answers, but maybe expand those kind of dialogs by another few answers? -------------------- "..The seventh wave of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery, piled dead and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and at last knew the number of his days." Posts: 522 | Registered: Wednesday, May 4 2005 07:00 |