What do YOU want to see in G4?
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Electric Sheep One
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written Friday, April 29 2005 05:01
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I want to see some luxury Shaper accommodation. A place where there are comfy chairs, attentive servile waiters, and spawners that make fine wines and espresso. Some little corner of the map that says 'We Shapers don't just know how to shape life; we know how to live.' -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, April 29 2005 05:22
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What I'd like to see is more creations and spells. Now when I say more creations, I'm not looking for something stronger than what we have. I'm looking for more variety. I mean, add more creations that are equal in power to something like vlish and fyoras, etc. The same goes for spells. Also, the ability to create serviles should be implemented. As well, you should have the ability to buy equipment for joinable characters. You should be able to equip them with weapons and armour, etc. As well, when one of your party members leaves at the harmony docks, I thought it might have been cool if you ran into them later. Like for example, Greta could have joined the rebels, and then if you joined the shapers, and you saw her....well it'd be real awkward wouldn't it? :P lol seriously, maybe you could fight. That'd be awesome. Meh. But whatever. Jeff's games will always be top of my list anyway. -------------------- "Damn Scots. They ruined scotland!"-Groundskeeper Willy, the Simpsons Posts: 96 | Registered: Tuesday, May 4 2004 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, April 29 2005 16:13
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This is what I think should happen in G4... Minotaurs come from the north and thraten to invade the shaper world if they don't let them live there. They land in the middle of a war. Drakons attack them trying to crush the shaper's new allies. The minotaurs drive of the attack. When the shapers call on the minotaurs to fight they refuse. Shapers attack the minotaurs and are driven back also. A few minotaur famlies join the shapers. youare one of their kihttp://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ubb/icons/icon14.gifds. You were let in as a shaper. They see great potential in you. Then your village that you are chosen to lead is destroyed in a drakon attack. You are the only survivor. Then there would be 3 powerful factions then. Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, April 29 2005 16:33
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Aside form not being a Shaper again, it would also be nice to fight something besides Drakons and Ur-Drakons. I would like to see the final battle be with something completely new. Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Friday, April 29 2005 17:34
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It turns out Ghaldring the ultimate Drakon is just a frontman for the real power behind the rebellion: the mighty Ur-Ornk Lord! [ Friday, April 29, 2005 19:07: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ] -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Saturday, April 30 2005 02:04
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quote:Now that I would love to see! -------------------- 1. Forge my Genes, will you!? (attack!) 2. That's all for now. Thanks. Posts: 82 | Registered: Saturday, February 8 2003 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, May 1 2005 11:51
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Being able to make clockwork creations would be nice, like the drakon in the clockwork maze in GF 2 :) . Perhaps mechanics + the shaping skill would be used. Also, if it will be possible to make serviles, it should be necessary to pay to use a shaping vat or something like that. Posts: 76 | Registered: Saturday, August 16 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, May 4 2005 05:59
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More fractions, like maybe 5 or 6? Maybe a fraction consisting of humans that want to remove Shapers and Creations all alike? I would prefer a game without a Geneforge, or if you have to have one..Let us use it this time? Like in G1. -------------------- "..The seventh wave of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery, piled dead and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and at last knew the number of his days." Posts: 522 | Registered: Wednesday, May 4 2005 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, May 4 2005 14:34
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Better yet let the player choose whether to use it at the games beginning. Then perhaps have harsh repercussions for doing so, to offset the power gain. -------------------- The Knight Between Posts. Posts: 2395 | Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, May 4 2005 14:47
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I wish for yu to be able to controll more then one PC..Maybe up to three? -------------------- "..The seventh wave of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery, piled dead and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and at last knew the number of his days." Posts: 522 | Registered: Wednesday, May 4 2005 07:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Friday, May 6 2005 06:28
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I'd like to see Khyryk get his rear in gear, and revive the Awakened middle-of-the-road viewpoint. He seems like the kind of guy who might just pull it off: sane, self-disciplined enough to avoid canisters, averse to cruelty to serviles, also averse to mass terrorism, and evidently a brilliantly accomplished Shaper. You also get to know quite a bit about him in G3, so he's a living character. His obvious major weakness seems likely to be a reluctance to act aggressively when necessary; but this means that the PC is just what he needs. I could see the post-G3 plotline assumed by G4 as having Khyryk take over Gull Island and sit there quietly for a few years, then land on Terrestia with a force and a plan. In fact, having the PC play a critical role in linking him up with some remnant of the Awakened would be a cool plot item. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, May 6 2005 09:45
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The shaper in complex core in GF2 summoned a Demon...We should be able to do it too!or at least make ghosts/specters(sp?) Maybe a something% chance for it to attack you.Decreseases with skill? -------------------- I like Biscuits!!!! Posts: 67 | Registered: Sunday, March 21 2004 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Sunday, May 8 2005 07:45
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I want to see the "Schism" in GF4, some shaper on shaper action! and not just the odd encounter, I mean full on multiple shapers in combat with their creations/allies Civil war where a large break away faction of more enlightened shapers actually want to craft a better world (instead of just being controlled by greedy drakons as in earlier GF), the UR-Drakons could be involved as they evolve into more ethical and enlightened beings. The fact that both sides would end up trampling most of that world into dust would be missed by their arrogant fervour/devotion to their respective ideals. I would also like to get past this "apprentice" label, surely if you sided with the traditional order of shapers you should be able to become a full shaper (possibly with some improved powers - I favour "command" a spell that allows shapers to strip control of a shaped creature from another shaper and/or rogue shapings - control stays for that area only). The renegades could develop counter powers at higher levels. This would allow very fluid shaper duels where wrestling control of the correct creatures at the right moment would be as important as shaping creatures. A nice touch would be the reappearance of a strange powerful nemesis who would be a character that had completed GF 1,2 or 3 to oppose the player (would make for a much more equal final opponent) Larger map with some timeline driven ebb and flow of territory gained lost to give a feeling of urgency but not panic. The ability to produce serviles/intelligent serviles Shapers should have more ability to control those immediately around them but be made to suffer the consequences of exerting too much control. The schism could be over the ethics of creating intelligent self aware creatures and allowing them the rights to make deciscions and lead a life of their own. GF 3 is too black and white and the rebels are insane, I honestly cannot see why anyone would side with them. It seems a little more tired than GF1 & 2 but I still like it. Using the geneforge? It could end with the geneforge being used to remake the world or destroyed to maintain the status quo, either way there should be a few things to do after the geneforge (hunt down the nemesis afterwards would be nice). [ Sunday, May 08, 2005 07:46: Message edited by: TMH ] Posts: 3 | Registered: Thursday, April 14 2005 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, May 8 2005 08:25
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Shaloi and minotars should be part of the war and there should be a faction with sense like maybe Khryk and Sharon should put together an awakened force (some drakons, serviles, sholai, minotaurs and shapers). Factions: Ghaldring: want to crush the shapers and shaper loyal people. Shaloi: power-mad people like the barzites. Minotaurs: want to conquer the world and purge it of magic. Shapers: want to crush all factions. Amakened: want peace without the shaper tyranny. And we should start out being able to choose if you want to be... Minotaur: one of the few minotaurs who wanted to be a shaper and was let in. Finished shaper training sent to help run a village but drakons attack and all except you, a shaper and a guardian (shaper and guardian just finished traing too) survived. Shaolai: same as minotaur except Shaolai. Drakon: Ditto Servile: Ditto Shaper: standerd choices (I'm obsessed with minotaurs) [ Sunday, May 08, 2005 08:27: Message edited by: Ghaldrings_doom ] Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Sunday, May 8 2005 08:38
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Okay, but where did these minotaurs come from? Shaping experiment gone wrong? Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, May 8 2005 08:48
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Who knows? I'd kinda like to see people react to my creations. I mean, okay. So I play a loyalist to the Shapers in GF3. And yet I'm walking around with a Drayk. An illegal Drayk. So... shouldn't they get mad at me for that? Or at least suspicious? Shouldn't ordinary people become nervous when they see my mighty companions? Honestly, I could kick their butts without too much effort. So why no creation effects? Posts: 153 | Registered: Tuesday, December 2 2003 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, May 8 2005 09:53
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Origanally written by Dolphin: Okay, but where did the minotuars come from? They were an empire overthrown by the shapers but then stayed in hiding until they were strong enough to over throw the shapers.(They were there before the shapers and will be after.) They can live three times as long as the average shaper. Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, May 8 2005 12:10
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Hey, there is endless possibility here. Shapers don't controll the entire world (this we know for a fact), and just like the europeans during the middleages the shapers are proud, and if THEY can't cross that big ocean (G1) then NOONE can. This means that just like in the real world there can be two, three entire continents so far unsettled by the Shapers, where for all as we know Minotaurs can live there, propser, have an enlightened civilization with their own kind of magic. -------------------- "..The seventh wave of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery, piled dead and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and at last knew the number of his days." Posts: 522 | Registered: Wednesday, May 4 2005 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Monday, May 9 2005 09:47
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quote:Would not that contradict the theme of Geneforge? A constant theme of all three games is the corrupting influence of power. You see this in the way your PC grows more and more hot-headed and arrogant as he continues to use canisters. And again you can see the generally peaceful Drayks of GF1 become crazy and bent on futile revenge once they start shaping themselves, and the Barzites are the posterchild for the corrupt misuse of power. No, the Drakons care nothing about shaping themselves into more ethical, enlightened beings; rather they want to make themselves stronger at all cost. The idea of creating a "master race" that will set the world to right is doomed to failure, as a certain dictator from the last century could attest. Although, one thing I would like to see is a new faction headed by a powerful Gazer, they seem smart and strong enough for the task, perhaps this faction can be a breakaway from the Takers that is not so much bent on revenge. -------------------- Whatever happens, happens. Posts: 48 | Registered: Monday, April 4 2005 07:00 |
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His Mighty Tentacle
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written Monday, May 9 2005 09:55
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"The Eye sees that power by any means is futile." -------------------- If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish. Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish. Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, May 9 2005 18:13
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What I'd like to see is more middle level creations, too add more variety. Also, more "specialzed" creations. For example, you could have a creature thast is meant to act as a walking wall, a damage dealer, and a harrasser/disrupter. Also, balancing the 3 classes. In G1, it was shapers all the way, no questions asked. G2, absolutly nothing could hit the guardian. Nothing. In G3, the agent rules with daze and uber spells. Restore the Gaurdian's ability for melee, give the shapers more creatures, and make sure the agents don't get crocked in the next game in a atempt to "balence." Also, more factions. More endings. In G1, it was amazing, the posibilitys. Leave the island as it is, and the shapers come in and try to crush everyone. Leave one bad guy alive (Gottesch or Trakjov), and all hell breaks lose. Become deranged, become deranged with company, the possiblitys are endless. In G2 and G3, the endings are predictible and faction based. Lets have more endings. And more angry ornks. :P -------------------- Q: What is the sound of one hand clapping? A: The sound of someone getting smacked upside the head. Duct tape is like the force. It has a good side and a dark side and it binds the universe together. Don't worry Alorael, custom titles are overrated. Posts: 154 | Registered: Saturday, February 26 2005 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, May 10 2005 16:32
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No one else likes my idea? *sniffs* Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Tuesday, May 10 2005 16:46
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No, I'm afraid not. Sorry. Minotaurs just don't really make sense for the Geneforge universe. Sholai, sure. Maybe even a lost race of independent Drayk ancestors, who once learned to shape humans, but banned them into extinction because they were too willful and intelligent (*slaps self*). But minotaurs ... I mean, why minotaurs? Why not at least Ornk-lords? -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Tuesday, May 10 2005 18:36
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I'm just impressed that we have yet to see GIFTS in the Geneforge universe. *shiver* -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, May 11 2005 02:28
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Haha, gawd, GIFTS. I am sure that now that you have mentioned it Jeff would be delighted to put them ins omehwere as an Easter Egg. I support the idea of Minotaurs, or atleast the idea of other supernatural creations that have evolved outside of Shaper controll somewhere in a distant land, i also agree that Geneforge tells a tale of people wanting to create a better world, but lacks the power to do such. Shall they then take the power and lose their wisdom, or try and fight without the power even though ti is a doomed cause? Having the Darkons become "enlightened" is an oxymoron considering how many canisters it has taken to get them the power they now weild. -------------------- "..The seventh wave of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery, piled dead and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and at last knew the number of his days." Posts: 522 | Registered: Wednesday, May 4 2005 07:00 |