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Geneforge 3. in Geneforge Series
Warrior
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Profile #8
quote:
Originally written by Micawber:

The Awakened.
Please tell me you are kidding.

The Awakened is a flawed position for two reasons:

1)As many NPCs mention in the game the Shaper council will never recognize Serviles as "equals".
2)Serviles were created as a source of cheap, efficient, expandable labor. If the Awakened get their wish, then their purpose (e.g. the reason why they were created by the Shapers) dissapears!

It's a shame that Serviles were given the ability to breed. Were I on the council I would grant the Awakened their wish, steralize them, forbid the creation of new Serviles and begin research on a new subservient race that can replace the Serviles.

Serviles remind me most of illegal Mexican immigrants.
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GF 1 - Shaper Crypt in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #17
quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

Be nice. You're not respected enough to get away with being a jerk yet.
Can't say I care much about respect. I've never gotten the sense about there being much of a community here and the only reason to come hang out on the fairly sparsely populated boards is the excellent game-related advice. :D

That said, proxies, a new nick and presto - clearn reputation.
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The Geneforges. in Geneforge Series
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Member # 8338
Profile #7
I agree, on first hand it's a bit dissapointing how small the bonuses are from using the Geneforge in GF4. However keep in mind that this is only a copy of the original (lets say, much more potent or powerfull) Geneforge in GF1.

Also, as SotD pointed out, the mere fact that the Geneforge is able to take any ordinary human and give them the power of using magic and shaping (something that takes years to develop) is quite remarkable.
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GF2 - Is it possible to join multiple sects? in Geneforge Series
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Member # 8338
Profile #17
Only in Drayk's Vale and Ancient Crypt from what I can recall...
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
GF2 - Is it possible to join multiple sects? in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #15
Posting here to avoid spamming new threads.

What's up with the "great secret" of GF1? And I don't mean the revelation regarding the Shapers, I mean the thing in Drayk's vale. MattP's hint sucks and I'm either doing something wrong or not getting lucky enough to get a drop.

Namely I'm touching the southernmost stone pillar, getting the "tingling sensation", moving clockwise around the outer perimeter of the map and touching the piller again only to "feel nothing". What gives?
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
GF2 - Is it possible to join multiple sects? in Geneforge Series
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Member # 8338
Profile #13
When I attack the Sholai the Taker's Amulet becomes a Tarnished Amulet. I don't know if I can change it back by using an item editor or an in-game process.

Also, I don't know if it becoming Tarnished effects my relationship with the Takers.

I'm thinking that I'll wait till Crossroads and have my Amulet "stolen". Then do a test run by killing some Sholai, recovering the Amulet and seeing how other Sholai, the Takers and (if I have found him by that point) Trajkov react. If all goes well this will enable me to kill all the patrolling Sholai for fun and profit.

Also, is there a way to leave a sect other than joining another sect? I'm thinking of eventually either upsetting or killing off all the Takers (where you get the "they hate you now" message). Would that still count me as being part of the Takers or now being independant? Does the ending even reflect when you've slaughtered an entire sect?

Thanks!
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The Geneforges. in Geneforge Series
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Member # 8338
Profile #2
Kind of a shame that you don't get a choice about whether or not you want to use the GF4 Geneforge.
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
Geneforge 3. in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #6
quote:
Originally written by Hopeking:

Another thing that ticked people off is that the Shapers and Rebels were both evil, and you had to choose between the lesser of the two evils. The Shapers, as arrogant and elitist as ever (they relaxed this policy in G4) and the Rebels, terrorists who released monsters on the local populace.
Whaaa?? You are kidding me! Granted I've only played GF1 to compare but there wasn't a "perfect ending" in GF1 either. None of the three sects or the two 'leaders' (Trajkov and the other Shaper) offered the best alternative. Pretty sure the same will be in GF2... In fact that's one of the main draws of Geneforge - there is no Hollywood ending, no perfect side, no real GOOD and no real EVIL; just shades of grey.
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
GF2 - Is it possible to join multiple sects? in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #11
Question more about the Sholai then the sects. (For reference I first joined the Awakened, killed Control 4 and felt horrible for doing so, then joined the Obeyers and talked myself out of the quest. Finally joined the Takers and happily killed ALL of the Awakened as revenge for making me kill that innocent Servant Mind. I've also fed Control 2 instead of killing it, Shaped Shield be damned!)

So right now I'm curising along with the Taker Ammulet and meeting lots of friendly Sholai. Well, that's no fun! I want to kill them all for fun and profit! The problem is that killing the friendly Sholai in one area makes them ALL hostile (tested this a bit). There IS one point in the game where I actually lose the special item Amulet though... Would this make it possible for me to kill as many of Trajkov's Sholai as I can without repercussions?

For the end I'd like to deal with Trajkov a bit, take a dip in the Geneforge and then screw everyone totally over. Suggestions appreciated! (Oh and I'd kill all these Sholai after finishing with Trajkov but by then they'd give no exp :( ).

P.S: I haven't and don't plan on killing the "rebel" Sholai. They seem like nice people :)
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
GF Questions in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #22
A bit late to the discussion so I'll just go by bulletpoints.

- In GF3 I ended up at level 42 after killing most everything I could get my sword into. Could probably go as high as 44 if you play your alliences right (I had a few quests I couldn't finish).

- The ivory rod can be either on the floor (if your pack was full) or in the Special Items section.

- Oh man, the NPC helpers for Benerii-Eo are more trouble then they are worth! After the room that has "signs of a fight" you will find them in the actual Geneforge. Beware, there are a few bugs here.

1) If you kill the final boss without asking the NPC Shapers for help they will turn hostile.
2) If you kill the boss with their help and try to attack any of the creations he summons that you've made friendly to yourself they will turn hostile

Conclusion: Either don't use them at all (they really hinder more then help if you've played your cards right) or make sure they leave the map before killing anything else.
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
GF 1 - Shaper Crypt in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #14
quote:
Originally written by Agent Dove:

Other than a failed attempt to ridicule, your point is what?
Failed? Well, aren't you happy to rush a judgment.

My point is that your stats seem to reflect that you neither took the time to read the related portion of the FAQ nor prepare a strategy on how to develop your character. You just mashed points, seemingly at random, and then come crying wondering why the game is so 'hard'.

And yeah, you can develop your character "as you wish", but don't come complaining when your creation-using Agent gets her butt kicked. Congratulations on finishing the game though. Bet your F9/F10 keys are worn down to the nubs.

P.S: Signing your own posts stopped being cool in 1998. We can see your name in the author column, kthx.
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
G3 - Bug at the end? in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #2
Yup. Head to Dhonal Keep West zone and check out the docks at the north part of the map. There will be one boat there that will "take you to the mainland" (e.g. finish the game). I believe you will activate it just by getting close to the correct dock.
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
GF 1 - Shaper Crypt in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #11
quote:
Originally written by Agent Dove:

I have basically memorized the faq in the course of play so far
If you have the FAQ memorized you wouldn't have quite those stats for an agent and, potentially, not so much difficulty either.
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #11
Agreed, needs a GF4 and GF1 updates!

[ Sunday, April 08, 2007 23:59: Message edited by: Eugi ]
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
your favorite geneforge in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #11
Just curious: why do people seem to dislike GF3?
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
GF2 - Is it possible to join multiple sects? in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #1
Same question from me but about GF1.

Can you join and leave each sect in turn? (if you have enough leadership to make sure none of the join quests conflict, for example, and say enough of the "right things")

Also, can you rejoin a sect after leaving it?

{{{{POSSIBLE SPOILER BELOW}}}}

I also believe that in GF1 you can finish the game without aligning yourself in either sect and either using or not using the Geneforge, right?
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
Why there? *warning: displays secret of G1* in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #12
Salmon, you are welcome to your opinion of course but I find it foolhardy to make such sweeping generalizations of the Shapers.

Most of what I find is that the Shapers simply lack compassion. I recall several examples from GF3/GF4 where regular people are upset with the Shapers because they can't see the reason behind the Shaper's actions (and the Shaper's can't or don't want to soften the blow).

For example - the family of the South Forge Guard that died due to a famine because the Shapers refused to give that region shaped crops to resist the crop plague that was going on there. The Shapers were right - introducing such shaped crops would have created potentially disastroues consequences for the region later on. However the Shapers also failed to alleviate the crisis in any way.

In GF3 the perfect example is the quarantine imposed on the Islands. Most everyone recognizes it's necessary to prevent the spread of the Rogues, but once again the Shapers fail to do anything to alleviate the plight of the "common man".

Conclusion: the Shapers need to "shape" themselves a pbulic relations team. :D :P

All this aside, I'm glad that you, at least, aren't calling the Rebellion "good". :rolleyes:

[ Saturday, April 07, 2007 13:48: Message edited by: Eugi ]
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
Why there? *warning: displays secret of G1* in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #5
I strongly disagree with your assemsnet Salmon. No one in the Geneforge games is straight evil or straight good. No one's "basically evil" or "basically good" either. What keeps people interested in the GF series is that there's no Hollywood ending and each side has its pluses and minuses.
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
Where is the Key to Metal Works - G3 in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #7
Oh, you'll find his daughter (you likely have already). She's a bit of a twat her :(
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
Problems with Help the Rebels quest. in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #11
I feel what you are saying Synergy.

I finished G3 with my half melee/half baton Guardian on Normal difficulty. It was... alright. I doubt I'd get very far with the same gameplan if I were to try Torment and not cheat by giving myself ~40 Restoration Potions/ ~40 Restoration Spores/ ~40 Reaper Thorns :P (this basically allowed me to coast through most encounters because I could make up for my inferior damage through healing).

I guess that, like in many other cases, in GF you need to pick a specialization and stick with it for the rest of the game.... and yeah. Your thread has given me some good ideas on how to play an Agent and I think I have the Guardian down more-or-less... Just need to figure out how to make a Shaper now :P
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Still having trouble with keys in Geneforge Series
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Member # 8338
Profile #1
The door you can't open in Khor's Deeps is the door to the marina and a boat to take you to the next island. You won't be able to open it till you finish Shaper Agatha's quest.

To finish Shaper Agatha's quest and, coincidentally, to open the Maker's Mansion you need to speak to Khyryk (in Khyryk's tower) and get a key from him.

Overall people here will only be glad to help, however I highly recommend you take a look at Matt P's walkthrough on Gamefaqs.

Also, if you are playing pro-Shaper, be sure to kill all the serviles in Stonespire for exp prior to mopping up Maker's End.
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
Where is the Key to Metal Works - G3 in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #5
Ah, true that.

Although I did find that usefull if I needed to go back to restock via the item editor. (I changed it so it would give me the things I actually want like Libing Tools and Reaper Thorns).
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
Problems with Help the Rebels quest. in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #7
Man, it took me all my e-self-control not to make a post initially flaming G4. It's turning out better and better now, true but...

It's hard to adjust to the new, better graphics because they are smaller as well as the smaller game-world screen (size reduction mostly due to the excellent new map).

Also it's a shame that creation stealing doesn't work any longer. It's that much harder to make money in the beginning of the game :( True, people are complaining that the game's too easy as it is but...

And then, of course, there's the "Infiltraor Adventures" thread on the forums. I need to stop reading that because it only makes me worry that I'm spending my points in the wrong places :(

That aside I love the new weight system where you only need strength for the armor you are equipping and can end up carrying whatever you want as long as you have space. Also, the notations on the mini-map are great but it's a shame we can't make our own.

So yeah, I have all four games now and I need to finish the basement of the MoT in GF3. Played a bit of GF4... Really wish there was a discussion on builds I could find somewhere, especially how to pace Leadership/Mechanics and how to best develop your character...
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
Where is the Key to Metal Works - G3 in Geneforge Series
Warrior
Member # 8338
Profile #3
You never receive physical keys in G3. They are, instead, entered as "Speical Items" in that section of your quest log. Since you have Phasia's quest you should be able to enter the metalworks without any difficulties.

As for encumberance, I tend to select a place on a map that has a lot of loot and drop off loads while I explore the area. Then I pick it all up and head to town to sort and sell. If there's too much for me to carry including all my potions, charms and spores I drop said charms and potions to make room since I'll be back on that map on my return trip regardless. I highly recommend the "exitzone" cheatcode (without quotes) to make the game faster.
Posts: 85 | Registered: Sunday, March 18 2007 07:00
Cannisters in G3 in Geneforge Series
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Member # 8338
Profile #1
No place to look that I know of. Since you are on Gull Island there are several areas where serviles will be instantly hostile to you if you've used too many canisters and you may be able to use this as a litmus test of sorts.

Finally you can always cheat and reset the number of canisters you have used to zero by hitting shift+D and then typing without quotes "sdf 100 4 0".

Personally I tried to stave off on canister use through my first playthrough (since most are geared towards magic users/shapers and I was a Guardian) but overdid them anyway. As the game says, those canisters are very tempting indeed! Overall though, besides getting you into some fights the writing at the end changes only slightly if you've used all the canisters or none. I'd recommend playing through the game as you want, reading the canister ending and then using the cheat code to read the one "without" the canisters.
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