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The Chosen Ending - Geneforge 5 in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Personally I would like to see a different direction from Geneforge 5. Since GF 2, we've been building up to the Shaper-Drakon war and GF 4 has seen it to fruition. Don't get me wrong, GF4 was great, but like the Avernum series, I feel a fresher storyline is needed at this point. Unlike the Avernum series, the plot isn't stale yet, I fear another Rebel vs. Shaper like conflict game would put us there.

Although this may be out on a limb, I would rather see a totally different game. Having a new universe to immerse myself in would be good since it's been a long time now.

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Registration... in The Exile Trilogy
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Member # 6
Profile #1
You should check the ordering form for any information on discounts. The answer to your question is, no you cannot get Exile II for free even though you have purchased Avernum 2.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Utilities Judging in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 6
Profile #11
Comments are technically due by tonight. I won't have time to look at them until Sunday, so please get them in by then. Thanks.

PS: The number of scores we have is low, we NEED more.

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Keep Under the Western Morass in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Smack the Golem and you will be in for arguably one of the most difficult fights in the game. You should be able to get the Crystalline Fibers here as well.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Turabi Gate in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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You cannot open the Turabi gate. The lands beyond are inaccessable in this game.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Macintosh Blades of Avernum v1.2 Public Beta in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Profile #7
Darn, beat me to it. I should be able to finish my scenario and test a few things and get a report. So far that was the only error I have encountered. :P

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Skull Suggests Human-Neanderthal Link in General
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If this be true, then we have just created one more gap in the fossil record. Where will it end! :P

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Macintosh Blades of Avernum v1.2 Public Beta in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Thanks Jeff. I'll give it a look over and try to catch a particular annoying unhandled exception.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
8th Contest Comments Up! in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #14
Not every judge's scale is the same, of course. Ideal would be to have everyone judge the same category, although this can put a lot of strain on the judges and would limit the judging pool. Either way, we got a decent selection pool.

The preliminary rounds serve more as a filter for the final round which is judged on relative quality. These had quite a bit of consensus. Rats Aplenty probably had the most variability, but it's a humor scenario, so I can rationalize it on that basis alone. By and large, we had fairly consistent groupings of scenarios.

Pretty much we came out knowing who the winner was and everyone pretty much got about the same place without one judge really skewing the scores.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
8th Contest Comments Up! in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #9
Bain, care to put up a breakdown of how the finals judging was done as well as a table? The rankings by themselves don't mean a whole lot.

Here are the scores in a table, in the order I recorded them:

Laz Tyrn Eph Red Bain TM Sln Gzo
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Dilecia * 2 4 6 5 2 5 4
Echoes 1 3 1 1 1 * 1 1
Embers 4 1 * 4 2 3 3 2
Exodus 6 8 5 7 7 7 8 5
TFS 5 6 -- -- * 6 4 8
Magus 2 5 2 2 6 1 7 3
APF 7 4 6 5 3 5 6 6
Rats 3 7 3 3 4 4 2 7


[ Sunday, January 14, 2007 16:35: Message edited by: *i ]

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Utilities Judging in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #10
I decided to make the deadline for utilities Friday, January 19.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
8th Contest Comments Up! in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 6
Profile #6
A minor point, I did raise Exodus' score to a 7.9. This is correct on the score by scenario, but not on the score by judge page. I don't see any other flaws. Once again, good work.

[ Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:25: Message edited by: *i ]

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
8th Contest Comments Up! in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 6
Profile #4
Perhaps we should also have an explanation of how the finals judging was done.

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There are two phases, an ascending and a descending one.

The ascending phase starts with using the rankings of all of the judges who did not have a scenario in the finals. These rankings are added together and the scenario with the highest score (hence least preferred) is eliminated. If the scenario eliminated had an author that was also a judge, his/her scores are used in the subsequent rounds. This process continues until one scenario remains, this scenario is the winner.

Now begins the descending phase. All judges without a scenario in the contest and the winner (if he/she is a judge) has their scores used. The lowest ranked scenario is eliminted and declared 2nd (the 1st place has already been decided). If the eliminated scenario has an author that is also a judge, his/her scores become eligible for subsequent rounds. Scores are recomputed, the lowest score is declared 3rd. This continues until the one scenario remains in last.

For each round, a score is assigned depending on the rank received. 1st gets 1 point, 2nd gets two, and so on. These two scores are averaged and the final ranking is determined from this score, low scores are better. Note that all ties are broken with a the cumulative preliminary round.

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Although this seems somewhat confusing, it did allow for the opinions of eight judges to be heard as opposed to four. The elimination scheme was used to limit the say that a judge had on the fate of his/her scenario.

Both the ascending and descending scores had pretty much the same result. The only exception is 3rd and 4th place being switched. This shows the judges had a lot of consistency on average in their rankings.

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Bain, a few corrections, I believe I did adjust my scores later on as allowed this time. Kel did as well. Minor suggestion about the final results. Perhaps they could be put in tabular format for ease of reading.

Otherwise looks good. Thanks Bain!

[ Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:16: Message edited by: *i ]

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Scripting Contest? in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 6
Profile #12
If a rubric would be set up for judging, then this concern would fall under a usefulness category. It has a lot of power, but ultimately requires the designer to do a lot of work to set it up so it would suffer here.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Scripting Contest? in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #10
I would say one would employ the use of categories. So, no, I think the two are different enough.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Scripting Contest? in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 6
Profile #8
It depends on the rules chosen for the contest, of course. If we say yes, then we would naturally get a lot of entires. If we say no, we get fewer, but it could encourage more new scripting. I'd lean toward allowing them, but I figure I'd put the merits of each side out there.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Scripting Contest? in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 6
Profile #6
Generally, it would involve writing any script to do any useful task. Things would probably have to be judged on some rubric looking at functionality, originality, usefulness, simplicity, readability, etc.

A pearl type would be interesting, but if done would have to involve a topic that is both general and useful enough such that the contest is not completely a waste fo time, and yet narrow enough to not be so open ended that we have a generic scripting contest. I predict this balance would be difficult to achieve be that the two goals are somewhat antithetical.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Scripting Contest? in Blades of Avernum
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If there is interest, we can have one. The question is: is there interest?

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Utilities Judging in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 6
Profile #0
All right, we still need more people to take a little time to look through the utilities and rate them. It should not take more than a couple hours or so. Anyone is eligible to judge. Just don't review your own utility. So volunteers?

Scores are due by Friday, January 19, 2007.

A list of utilities:

3D Blades of Avernum Editor by Isaac, Notus
Alint by Khoth
Artifact Hall by Terrors Martyr
Dialogue Editor by Niemand
The Fifth Tower of Magi by BainIhrno
Graphic Adjuster by Niemand
High Level Party Maker by Kelandon
The Portal by BainIhrno
Sound Showcase by Gizmo

[ Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:23: Message edited by: *i ]

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Scenario Contest Final Results in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #40
Sorry Bain, real life has been busy and I haven't had a lot of time to set stuff up. I'll do so soon.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Scenario Contest Final Results in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #36
Agree with Thuryl. You design these for your audience.

Let's not start a flame war...I'm going to delete posts if people do. Consider yourself warned.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
To enter the lands of the Shapers. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Member # 6
Profile #2
The western areas are inaccessible in this game. The Shaper Camp is not meant to be accessed or beaten, even as a loyalist.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Where is Rivergate? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Rivergate is accessed through Dillame in the Illya Provience. The northern part of time has a door that leads into it.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Scenario Contest Final Results in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #31
One that captures all the data in a comprehensible way. :P

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