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Civil Unions disallowed in ACT in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Wednesday, July 12 2006 10:53 Profile #231
quote:
Originally written by Paul the second:

Im a bigot????
You harbor an intense, irrational loathing for a marginal group and wish to hinder them for no solid reason. Yes. You are a bigot.

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It seems like a lot of you on this forum are bigots.
I'm not persecuting you. I'm just calling you as I see you, bigot.

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let me say something that im going to get flamed for oh well.

Hate the sin. Love the sinner.
Let's be honest with ourselves: the 'sin' you refer to (sodomy) is execrated alongside cloths spun together, animals bred together, and shellfish. It's part of Old Testament ceremonial hygiene and has no place in Christianity (and a fairly minor one in modern Judaism at that).

The fact remains that you're trying to legislate your peculiar, un-Christian prejudices, which is unacceptable.

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Note= you guys have had a lot of time to think this over but you have no respect for people like me.
No, I don't. Am I supposed to respect someone who lashes out at any reed he can find to hold up his ridiculous bigotry, who enters a civil discussion calling people 'homos'? It's like someone jumping into an affirmative action discussion using the N-word, citing poorly-written articles 'proving' blacks are an inferior race, and then crowing about not getting any respect. It's predictable and shameful.

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quote:
Originally written by Salmon Fishin':

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Originally written by Paul the second:

you have no respect for people like me.
While I have my suspicions (about you), this certainly isn't the forum in which to discuss them.

For the record, almost everyone is bigoted to some extent. It is a happenstance of culture, nurturing, and economic status. I know where I am bigoted, and consciously control it so that I don't come across as some babbling psychotic every time I open my yap.

How am I doing? :P
Who against, cracker? I'm curious. :P

[ Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:54: Message edited by: The Worst Man Ever ]
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Civil Unions disallowed in ACT in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Tuesday, July 11 2006 15:09 Profile #223
quote:
Originally written by Paul the second:

www.family.org/cforum/fosi/marriage/ssuap/a0027554.cfm

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/6/142006a.asp
These are both opinion articles by biased sources and cite no studies that seriously substantiate the claims they make. (They cite studies, but studies saying that parents communicate differently with children - not studies saying that all-male or all-female childraising hurts children in any particular way.) Besides which, just because a child doesn't have a father or mother doesn't mean it won't have male or female influences. (Were your parents the only adults in your life?)

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Okay to show how Ephesos here are the sources that took me 5 secs to locate on Google and yes i read them not just copy and paste.
If you read them and think they fly as evidence, you're an idiot. Furthermore, I could locate 'evidence' for the Holocaust being a fabrication in 5 seconds on Google - doesn't make it true. Reputable studies making relevant claims are necessary. Your links are normative speculation, nothing more.

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Second until government destroys marriage completely gays still get all the benefits which results in government losing a LOT of money more than divorces depending on how long they are toghether.
So what? The Pentagon spends $5000 on hammers; you're seriously arguing that a hundred thousand or so more marriage licenses are going to cause serious damage to fiscal solvency of the government? Get real.
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[b]Also who cares about the marriage industry?? I mean is it so more important than the government? Wouldnt be better to have a stable government or a huge rich can do whatever they want marriage industry?
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What the hell is your problem? The financial hardship is inconsequential to the government (we're talking millions of dollars, tops, in a budget of trillions). If you're looking for ways to increase government revenue, perhaps it'd be more efficient to look at companies claiming to operate out of Bermuda than two men filing taxes as a unit. The former costs the country more than thousands, in some cases millions, of the latter.

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Third yes its high 50% but with gays it would go up to 75%max (note= please look up studies for increase in divorces with gays on google it wouldnt take more than five seconds and save me some time.) thats not a drop in the bucket thats 1/4 of all divorces.
Dude: gays are 10% of the population. Even if every homosexual marriage ended in divorce, the divorce rate would only go up by 5%.

Also, your logic is disingenuous horse ****. First we're to worry about the costs of more marriages, now we're to worry we'll have more divorces? Either marriage is good for the country and divorce is bad or marriage is bad for the country and divorce is good. One or the other.

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[b]Fourth it would make it more popular.
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If you want to live in a society that doesn't tolerate homosexuality, I'm sure we can get a collection started to buy you a ticket to Saudi Arabia.
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[b]Plus others things like sex with young children would be okay eventually.
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Because the rise of interracial marriage, interreligious marriage, interclass marriage, and non-arranged marriage all lead to the dystopian world we live in now where sex with children and animals is not only legal but widely accepted.

[quote]
Sir we all have different views of the world and I would like you to respect that and not call me a loon.[/quote]You don't deserve loon, you cretinous imbecile. If you were a loon at least you wouldn't be trying to appeal to nonsense authority and throw out logical chaff to hide your shameful bigotry.

Dealing with your nonsense wasn't worth the 10 minutes it took. Please don't bother sending more. Thank you!
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Civil Unions disallowed in ACT in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Tuesday, July 11 2006 10:34 Profile #219
The purpose of a government is to protect and support its constituents. This leads to foreign aid in two ways:

a) Poverty is a breeding-ground for the worst kinds of radicalism and, incidentally, epidemics;
b) When a country grows to a certain size, its constituent population expands beyond its national ones and must serve them as well.

By working for American interests and purchasing American products, the populace of a good part of the rest of the world is essentially participating in the American economy and society and should be protected by American government. If we don't like that, we're perfectly entitled to stop exporting and raise barriers to foreign trade and see how well that works for us. The same goes for Australia, but to a lesser extent.

It would take a far slicker man than me to allow this analogy to even continue to map onto the issues of gay marriage considering that.

BTW, while we're on foreign aid: the only fundamental difference between Saudi Arabia and Turkey is a more stable quality of life. That's why one country's reactionaries limit themselves to reading Mein Kampf in translation and the other's hijack airliners. Food for thought.
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Off the top of your head in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Monday, July 10 2006 12:31 Profile #52
quote:
Originally written by Jewels:

I can appreciate a good rap. In my less conservative years, I've sung along to I Like Big Butts. Ok, ok so I still sing along... but very, very quitely.
It's just sad when politics gets in the way of appreciating a good paean to booty.

http://partyhardultimate.ytmnd.com/
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Off the top of your head in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Monday, July 10 2006 11:21 Profile #48
quote:
Originally written by Yours Sincerely, The Boogyman.:

Oh yes, I'm obviously racist for asking a question. I was just curious, because where I live, there are very few white people that listen to rap. And none of the bands I listen to "complain about life as middle class white boys" either. And if I suck in your eyes, that's great, but really, You've probably never even heard any of those songs, so research next time, thanks.
No, you're racist because you run a forum where people wank to the memory of Hitler and slur minorities at every opportunity. I never claimed your dumb-**** question made you a racist, merely that you being a racist made your question dumb-****.

Also, I've heard most of the songs on your list and every one I have sucks.

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Originally written by Oh, the pain, the pain:

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I listen to good music and white people haven't made any good music since the early 80s.
Sounds a little racist. If not racist then definately sheltered.

Good whiteboy music includes Remy Shand, Neil Young, Green Day, Neil Young, U2...short list and mostly rock but you can find it in any genre.
I don't like any of these much (and while I haven't heard of Remy Shand, given his company I don't know if I want to look into him).

[ Monday, July 10, 2006 11:23: Message edited by: The Worst Man Ever ]
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Off the top of your head in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Sunday, July 9 2006 14:36 Profile #37
quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

However, rock is still king.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I love rock, it's just that I find a lot of stuff from the last couple of decades really tedious and self-important.
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Civil Unions disallowed in ACT in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Sunday, July 9 2006 14:21 Profile #204
quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

[b]
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Originally written by The Worst Man Ever:

Right, because like third world poverty or public masturbation, gay marriage generally involves an assailant and a hapless victim.
Fixed.
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I'll tackle the third world poverty analogy later, because it's specious but why takes a lot more and much more boring talking - why is it that public masturbation strikes you as an appropriate analogy? What definite harm does gay marriage actually do?

The point I'm trying to make with my snippy responses is that, if you actually believe these analogies are appropriate - and are not using them as a squid uses ink - you display a pretty clear ignorance of why laws are made. 'It's icky' isn't grounds for a law, no matter how icky it is. It has to also be harmful.

Murder isn't illegal because it's icky. It's illegal because people die. Public masturbation isn't illegal because it's icky. It's illegal because it's a blatantly sexual display that seriously disrupts day-to-day life - and in civilized jurisdictions it's a fairly minor crime, essentially a more severe form of disturbing the peace.

I think at a very basic level the string of analogies you threw out there gives lie to the idea you actually have a base justification for your enthusiasm for anti-gay-marriage legislation besides 'Man, butt sex is gross.' I don't go for it myself, but I'm not my entire country and I don't pretend to be. Neither are you, and neither should you.

...

Of course, all of these are rebuttals. My personal reason for supporting gay marriage is twofold:
1) I do not seek to deny, without reasonable cause, rights to others that I enjoy myself;
2) Disallowing gay marriage is an infringement on the separation of church and state, elevating a thin consensus of majority religions into power over a crucial element of society. Allowing GM to be suppressed - and I don't just mean civil unions or such crap, I mean marriage itself - is another unfortunate step towards theocracy.

[ Sunday, July 09, 2006 14:34: Message edited by: The Worst Man Ever ]
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Viva Italia !!!!!!! in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Sunday, July 9 2006 13:16 Profile #172
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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

France did seem to play better than Italy, at least to me. But the Italians hung on until their opponents made mistakes. And what a mistake: this just leaves a bad taste in one's mouth about the whole thing.

Zinedine Zidane, perhaps minutes away from leading France to the world championship in the last game of his long and illustrious career, gratuitously and blatantly head-butts an opponent in the chest. It was not a collision; it was a deliberate attack, from a standing confrontation. The only discernible provocation was that the Italian player had just held Zidane back with his arm, itself probably a minor foul; but the ball wasn't close or coming close, and the play wouldn't have been important. Zidane just snapped, inexplicably. Red card, he's gone, France is down a man for the last few minutes of the second overtime period, and is missing him for the penalty shoot-out. So stupid it reaches tragedy.
http://footballmoscow.ytmnd.com/
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Civil Unions disallowed in ACT in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Sunday, July 9 2006 13:13 Profile #201
Right, because like murder or animal cruelty, gay marriage generally involves an assailant and a hapless victim.

[ Sunday, July 09, 2006 13:14: Message edited by: The Worst Man Ever ]
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Off the top of your head in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Sunday, July 9 2006 12:53 Profile #33
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Originally written by Yours Sincerely, The Boogyman.:

H.I.M "For You"
Fear Factory "Archetype"
Nine Inch Nails "Only"
Nine Inch Nails "All The Love In The World"
Marilyn Manson "Mister Superstar"
Marilyn Manson "This Is The New ****"
Fear Factory "Transgression"
System of a Down "I-E-A-I-A-I-O"
Korn "******"
Lamb of God "As The Palaces Burn"

Is it just me, or are there alot of white people that listen to rap here?
I listen to a lot of rap. This is mostly because the kind of clever I enjoy in older rock has mostly disappeared in the new grunge-and-metal stuff in favor of formulaic music and lyrics principally about how much life sucks when you're a middle-class white boy.

Rap, on the other hand, remains innovative and clever. There are certainly artists I can't stand, but the entire genre isn't musically bankrupt.

Because you're a racist stooge, you're clearly trying to contrive a way to hold white people listening to black music in contempt. I listen to good music and white people haven't made any good music since the early 80s.

Incidentally, your taste in music sucks and so do you.
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Civil Unions disallowed in ACT in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Sunday, July 9 2006 12:45 Profile #199
If you don't believe in gay marriage, by all means don't marry a man.

But please consider how you would feel if the government were to cock-block you. No matter what the justification, it would be a bitter thing.
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Oh my God, you just can't make this **** up. in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Sunday, July 9 2006 12:43 Profile #44
Bacon seemed soggy and unpleasant from the picture. Bacon is best crisp, not quite as much as a good fry or potato chip, but just enough to give a bit of snap and let you know you're eating something that's been cooked.

Soggy bacon is worse than no bacon at all.

[ Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:43: Message edited by: The Worst Man Ever ]
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Bride of the Abominable Photo Thread in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Friday, July 7 2006 16:18 Profile #123
quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

[QUOTE]Originally written by Drew:
[qb]My sensory acuity is more important than your gaiety.
That's a bald-faced lie. :(

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Viva Italia !!!!!!! in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Friday, July 7 2006 00:13 Profile #159
quote:
Originally written by Spring:

France v Italy (9 July (20:00) - Berlin): Hopefully, France will defeat Italy. After all, that could have been Australia in the final.
Right, if you hadn't finished behind Ghana and Ecuador. :)
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Bride of the Abominable Photo Thread in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Thursday, July 6 2006 23:46 Profile #108
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Originally written by Thuryl:

Having just had a haircut, I feel obliged to reuse this thread for its original purpose.

IMAGE(http://thuryl.desperance.net/lucien_samson.jpg)
My first impression of this was that it looked oddly like a model from Fallout. Probably the sweater.

Also, I'm even more afraid of you now. :(
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Cell phone in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Thursday, July 6 2006 16:06 Profile #8
WHEN DID SPIDERWEB BECOME MYSPACE
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Xylgham udwlnit skretcko!1!! in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Thursday, July 6 2006 12:58 Profile #384
Until this fanfiction becomes erotic, expect me not to watch or to much care.
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Bride of the Abominable Photo Thread in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Tuesday, July 4 2006 19:01 Profile #62
In all seriousness:

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Bride of the Abominable Photo Thread in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Tuesday, July 4 2006 10:24 Profile #56
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Montauk Project in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Friday, June 16 2006 18:39 Profile #26
EDIT: Consider me gone.

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 written Wednesday, May 31 2006 00:13 Profile #0
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Thank you all.
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Belisarius Is The World's Biggest Noob in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Tuesday, May 30 2006 23:57 Profile #0
I appear to have had an admirer.

How did I not notice that any earlier?
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The Topic To Perhaps End Some Topics in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Tuesday, May 30 2006 19:22 Profile #13
Is it wrong that I don't know who the hell any of you are?
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Peer Review Process (was Evolution Stuff (was What is Religion, exactly?)) in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Tuesday, May 30 2006 19:20 Profile #51
The human eye isn't too complex to have evolved, though! There's far more primitive eyes in the animal kingdom, and while it's difficult to discover from the fossil record how eyes evolved (they're a little squishy to calcify properly), we can conjecture fairly well how they used to work.
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Peer Review Process (was Evolution Stuff (was What is Religion, exactly?)) in General
Najosz Thjsza Kjras
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 written Tuesday, May 30 2006 17:13 Profile #46
The evolutionary treadmill is actually an excellent example of how evolution has been observed in everyday life.

Consider a man sick with a bacterial infection, circa 1950. What do you do? You give him penicillin, of course! Penicillin kills off the vast majority of the bacteria - we're talking 99.99%+ - and the infection cannot survive on its own.

That less than .01, for whatever reason, has genes that, until that point, were useless, maybe even harmful, which it developed through random mutation. Those genes confer upon it resistance to penicillin. You douse the area in it, and those .01's neighbors all keel over.

That .01 doesn't really recover into a major strength, but through the natural processes, it is traded with other bacteria in everyday life. He gets another infection, again mostly from original-flavor bacteria - no resistance to penicillin - and .01 live.

Et cetera, et cetera.

Within a fairly short time, the majority of that bacterial species in that society is resistant to penicillin - because as that bacteria, if you are not resistant to penicillin you die. Being resistant to penicillin is a strong plus for reproductive (and thus evolutionary) fitness.

This has been true of every antibiotic - as they are used, the bacterial species they target grow resistant to them.

It's a serious problem for medicine, and one for which the reality of evolution is a serious impediment to human life. There are certain bacterial infections you just can't cure with certain antibiotics any more - even though those antibiotics worked fine on the same thing half a century ago! The antibiotics certainly haven't changed; it's the bacteria that have.

Look up 'superbugs' sometime! It's enlightening, really, and a little scary. Oh, and it's also a very good reason not to overmedicate with antibiotics, but that's another topic.
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