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Originally written by Funkadelic:

I hope you're pleased with yourself Dikiyoba - the latest episode took 15 or so minutes from my 24 hours.

Stop helping me procrastinate!!

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Originally written by Stillness:

What I really want is to know if you feel that the person that disagrees with you has the right to push his values just like you have the right to push yours.

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Written by the Committee that worked to decide how to cause hardship by denying marriage to same sex couples.
Married people have the following Federally legislated rights.
* Right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
o Social Security pension
o veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
o survivor benefits for federal employees
o survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
o additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
o $100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
o continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
o renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
o continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
o payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
o making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts
* Right to benefits while married:
o employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
o per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
o Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
o sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
* Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
o veteran's disability
o Supplemental Security Income
o disability payments for federal employees
o medicaid
o property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
o income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
* Joint and family-related rights:
o joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
o joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
o family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
o next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
o custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
o domestic violence intervention
o access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
* Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
* Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
* Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
* Spouse's flower sales count towards meeting the eligibility for Fresh Cut Flowers and Fresh Cut Greens Promotion and Information Act
* Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
* Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
* Court notice of probate proceedings
* Domestic violence protection orders
* Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
* Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
* Funeral and bereavement leave
* Joint adoption and foster care
* Joint tax filing
* Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
* Legal status with stepchildren
* Making spousal medical decisions
* Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
* Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
* Right of survivorship of custodial trust
* Right to change surname upon marriage
* Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
* Right to inheritance of property
* Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)

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The comparison to racism and claims of discrimination are just clever equivocation.

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Originally written by Thuryl:

This seems like an eminently reasonable solution that would please almost everybody.

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Originally written by Stillness:

Male-female is a natural distinction, not a manmade one. The government recognizing male-female unions as special is not arbitrary because that pairing is naturally unique and different and from male-male/female-female groupings.

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Originally written by Ephesos:

[b]DIE.

All I ask is that you let the search party find me, fast. Really, really, really fast.[/b]

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Originally written by Iffy:

What is wrong with muffins?

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Originally written by Drew:

Excalibur, you may as well stop participating in this discussion now if you're unable or (hopefully for you just) unwilling to engage in abstract reasoning.

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Originally written by Excalibur:

By Dikiyoba

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Can you honestly tell me that if you were a heterosexual in a predominately homosexual society

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A predominately homosexual society? What kind of hogwash is that? A predominately homosexual society does not exist because...
Drumroll...
It takes a heterosexual relationship to produce a human being. In your situation all the homosexuals would die out, leaving the straight people behind.

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Originally written by Excalibur:


Someone mentioned that polygamy was banned to drive the Mormons out. Because polygamy is banned or at least frowned upon in much of the world, I doubt that is the case.

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Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon:

This restriction is based on an arbitrary judgment that is traditionally viewed as coming from religion.

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Let’s say sex is an arbitrary distinction (which it most certainly is not), what does it matter what the origins of a judgment are? ...

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Originally written by Arancaytar:

It's as if Kim Jong-Il and Bush were marching side by side in a peace protest. :P

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They aren't that different. They are both sons of a previous ruler in their respective countries that punish dissent with a harsh crackdown using what are considered illegal means in most countries. Bush just needs to figure out how to stay in power past 2009.

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Originally written by Stillness:

And you still may not get the partner you want, but you are free to marry whoever will have you.

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Originally written by Stillness:

What you’re calling discrimination would apply to gender designated restrooms and interspecies marriage as well. Why shouldn’t I be able to walk in on naked girls at the community center or marry a plant?

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Originally written by Stillness:

I have to wear a seatbelt in my state. That restricts my freedom even though I don’t risk hurting anyone but myself. Why should the government be able to tell me what to do?

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Originally written by Stillness:

Out of curiosity, how do you view polygamy? Are laws against it discriminatory?

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From AD&D Monster Manual (c) 1977:
A lich exists because of its own desires and the use of powerful and arcane magic. The lich passes from a state of humanity to a non-human, non-living existence through force of will. It retains this status by certain conjurations, enchantments, and a phylactery. A lich is most often encountered within its hidden chambers, this lair typically being in some wilderness area or vast underground labyrinth, and in any case both solidly constructed of stone and very dark. [...]
Liches were formerly ultra powerful magic-users or magic-user/clerics of not less than 18th level of magic-use. [...]The mere sight of a lich will cause any creature below 5th level to flee in panic from fear.

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Originally written by Ephesos:

The 50 lb character is a lich. Thus, mostly skeleton. Therefore, it's not that far-fetched.

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Originally written by Excalibur:

However, I doubt such matters are a vexation in secondary education (What I want to major in).

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Originally spewed by TSST:
Name: Jeran Korak
Age: Around 32.
Gender: Male
Height: 6.1
Weight: 130 pounds

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Originally written by Excalibur:

It should be noted that incidents like this rarely occur outside of the U.S.

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