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Originally written by Mournin' Salmon:

3. Abortion is legal. Condoms break. If abortion is outlawed, only outlaws will have abortions. Also, it might be wise, given human nature as pointed out by others, to have mandatory random abortions. There are 11 plants in the western US that native Americans used for abortions. Just telling ya.

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Originally written by Muji:

(boiled down)But doesn't that mean that ID and Evolution are not incompatible?

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Originally written by Rain Delay:

As Thuryl pointed out, "marriage" is a religious concept that has become mixed into secular legal processes. "Civil union" should be the only form of partnership of the kind recognized by the state. If churches want to allow marriages or don't, that's their business.

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Originally written by Rain Delay:

I see no reason to make abortion illegal. Once you discard the religion card, the decision is obvious until later in pregnancy, and even then I find the value of a single human pre-life to be small.

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Originally written by Thuryl:

But if you want me to make an assessment of whether the elements of an organism's genome seem designed or not, well, there are an awful lot of useless bits which are easily explicable as relics of evolution but don't make all that much sense if they were designed in. (At least, not by one person -- maybe if they were designed by several committees working at different points in time without full access to the details of each other's work... :P )

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Originally written by Thuryl:

The problem is that it's short on both quantitative tests and useful predictions.

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Originally written by Muji:

By what stretch of the imagination can "Intelligent Design" not be considered religion? Even if you try to distance it from the Christian faith, the fact remains that its central paradigm is one of a sentient, willful, creating force. In other words, a god, if not the God.

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