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On The Possibility of Objective Morality in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #20
Good is a modern notion. Pleasing the Gods may bring rain, food, or prosperity. They would bring fertility and happiness. To the ancients these things are what we call good.

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Nena
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On The Possibility of Objective Morality in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #18
Of course they thought it was right. It was the right way to please their Gods, and that would please them.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Female Guardian Graphics? in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #11
It may be difficult to draw the muscles to be more than two-dimensional without them looking a little like breasts.
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A2: portal code for formello in The Avernum Trilogy
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #3
Edit: Oh sorry, you get Erika's Tower code from the castle. You need magi clearance to gain access to the person who will tell you.

[ Sunday, March 27, 2005 18:48: Message edited by: Dolphin ]
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
On The Possibility of Objective Morality in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #13
People don't want to feel bad, and when people do things they know are they are wrong they generally feel bad. There is always that desire to do what makes one feel good even if it means being briefly looked down on by others. Denial of ones actions would simply be an act of shame.

Or maybe they really feel like they did nothing wrong.

[ Sunday, March 27, 2005 16:41: Message edited by: Dolphin ]

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Riddles in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #54
quote:
Originally written by Zephyr Tempest:

The vulture is the child's mother.

Don't forget...

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And another one of my own:

They say I am only in your thoughts.
No one can truly contemplate me.
They say I don't exsist.
But when I do, I could destroy everything that exsists.

This could be very hard or very easy.

God fits

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
On The Possibility of Objective Morality in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #9
Part of the action of helping others is instinctually driven. That is fight or flight mechanism. If someone saw someone else being harmed they would either go and help them, or have fear and run. This is not necessarily wrong doing. My apologies for that being a slight variation from what was said above.

If someone saw a person being harmed and for no other reason than not wanting to get involved that may be seen as wrong doing. That may also not be the case. Suppose the person had family at home, or other greatly depended on this person's assistance.

The only way I see wrong doing in this situation is if the person felt pleasure because the other person was being harmed.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
On The Possibility of Objective Morality in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #1
To speak specially about killing someone...

Perhaps in killing someone it would cause however many people cared for that person would suffer. As well as causing a state of fear in those who live near where the killing to place.

Right and wrong are more commonly defined by the general well being of the masses.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #201
We really don't need multiple topics about the same discussion.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #192
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So, with that you mean the humans are not superior... The animals are the ones inferior...?
You're not being coherent here.
Please don't put words in my mouth. Unless that is what I directly said it is not what I meant. I said earlier and will say again “I see animals as equal to humans.” This comment refers to consciousness not technological capabilities.

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So, it's illegal "to beat my pets", but shouldn't be illegal to "KILL my baby"?
Again I refer you to the comment about consciousness. Also it is technically an “embryo”, a baby is after birth.

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Those are the exceptions that confirm the rule.
Anyway, we are talking about human potential. He can use it to do good or evil. But only he has the notion of good and evil. Animal don't have the same potential nor have that notion. The best human is far superior than the best animal.
Good and Evil is a religious implication, and is simply a superiorety complex. Atheists don't believe in “good and evil”, are they animals to you.

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I defend pro-life, even if I can't adopt children
True, but you don't have an alterative source of care for them.
I feel I have answered your questions sufficiently, and what I have not commented in-depth on others have.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #174
Overwhelming-

Arguably plants do hold some sort of feeling and reaction to stimuli. No creature could survive without eating another. Relatively speaking cows, chickens, and fish are lower on the evolutionary chain. If a person tried to kill your dog this would not bother you? After all it's just a dog to you, and they are a human. True by societies standards a human holds more value than a dog. This dose not mean that dogs don't have feelings or sensations similar to humans. It is illegal to beat your pets, and people do go to jail for doing that.

True we as a species have far greater mental capacity than that of most other creatures. This does not make you better than them. I could argue that there are some humans that not only are less intelligent than some animals, but the also behave much worse towards each other.

My answer to your comment on a child being was molested was not fully answered because a born child (or animal) being abused is torture. We are talking in circles about the issue of conciseness, so it is a waste of time to talk about it over and over.

Your reaction to my comment about rape shows complete lack of sensitivity to women, and it was quite an ignorant statement.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Dija miss me? in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #1
It is likely I haven't met you, but welcome.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Male Choice in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #6
Well back to it's MY womb. What if the woman wanted be a mother. As stated above this would defiantly be taken advantage of my runaway dads.

This just the other side of the controlling the womb coin.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #160
Overwhelming-
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Then I guess you concept of human life is somewhat limited. Hey, even animals have thoughts and feelings.
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Most animals, specially mammals, have heartbeat, brain waves and reaction to stimuli. Are you saying there's no scientific way to differenciate humans from animals? Then why not let someone rape and kill you? We're just animals.
In case you didn't figure out from my comments I see human life as equal to that of animals. Humans are animals. We are flesh and blood just as they are. It is human arrogance that places us above them. I am Taoist and somewhat follow Buddhism, look it up. I do eat meat, but no intelligent animals. I do not eat pork, as pigs are intelligent. That would apply to any animal such as dogs, cats, rats, and before you say it humans. You never did say if you eat animals.

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Sure, it's a better care to murder the preborn baby. *sigh* I repeat: if you see your neighbour molesting a child, would you do nothing, because you couldn't adopt that child? Your argument has nothing to do with the abortion issue.
A child being molested is hardly an appropriate comparison.

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Somewhere you say you want to have children someday. How will you explain to your son that, if he had appeared at the wrong time, you would have killed him? Maybe: "Hey, cheer up! I would have had killed you when you were not a human being! You would have been just a blob of cells or an embryo!"
As I also stated earlier I would never get an abortion unless it was completely necessary for my survival. I as a woman want to have the right to do so if need be. If I were raped (be in forcefully or in spirit) I don't think I would be okay with having the essence of someone who harmed me growing inside me. I would than look at the child thereafter and pray I don't see his face in my baby's eyes. Other women have a need for abortions for several reasons, and they should have the right to do so. Suicide is also technically illegal, has that put an end to it?

Also I agree that labeling abortion as murder in a debate comes off as hostile.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
New Abortion Laws in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #139
Perhaps over population and millions of unloved unwanted people can be equally harmful.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
High level scenarios? in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #9
You could always use the HLPM to alter your group, or just make another one.

[ Saturday, March 26, 2005 19:45: Message edited by: Dolphin ]
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Beside waiting for GF3 what will you do during spring break? in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #16
Spring Break is a distant high school memory. I would gladly trade 1,000 of them to never see high school again. Higher education is much more enjoyable :)
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Lightbulb in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #38
I'm kind of into the glassiness of it.
(see this is what waiting for G3 will do)

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Lightbulb in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #35
Oh yeah, so it is :P

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Lightbulb in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #33
Considering it's pure spam, it really is lasting a long time.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Lightbulb in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #31
Very large light bulb.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Undead Topics Need Loving Too (aka "Give Me Your First-Born") in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #428
This is great to read.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
How Long Must We Endure This Interminable Wait?!? in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #45
Monday would be nice, but sadly Thursday is still March.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
A couple of pro-life articles in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #21
Because they are idealists, Creator, Overwhelming, do you two eat meat?

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Lightbulb in General
Shaper
Member # 5437
Profile #24
According to Microsoft Word spell checker, it's light bulb.

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Nena
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00

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