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The Abominable Photo Thread IV: A New Hope in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Monday, April 24 2006 14:21 Profile #118
It's Elmo.
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Death Penalty in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Monday, April 24 2006 14:08 Profile #24
Choking though relatively fast (in the sense that one would lose consciousness) is something that to me at least would be particularly disturbing, second only to drawing.

Edit: As an aside, I also thought this would be a discussion about the death penalty.

[ Monday, April 24, 2006 14:17: Message edited by: Dolphin. ]
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Power Corrupts in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Monday, April 24 2006 13:53 Profile #125
I first commented on you post because you said the questions you presented disproved the existence of God, and in the end we started discussing various religious beliefs.

It wasn't my intent to derail the current discussion, so if it interferes with what others are discussing I'm fine with letting it go.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Boat Trouble in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Monday, April 24 2006 09:42 Profile #2
The boat is now in Gull North Docks just east of Khor's Keeps.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Stereotypically Yours in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Monday, April 24 2006 09:25 Profile #16
Edit: sorry IE.

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Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Stereotypically Yours in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Monday, April 24 2006 09:22 Profile #15
My name became known after a photo thread, for being a girl of course :P

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Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Power Corrupts in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Monday, April 24 2006 09:12 Profile #109
quote:
Originally written by I Would Have Been Your Daddy:


Ah, but even Hinduism has books of laws saying that you should not kill, should not lie, etc. Hinduism believes that all forms of God (all the "different gods") are actually one, and in order for man to understand God, he must be seen as different forms. Hindusim also believes in reincarnation. When you die, the body you get in the next life depends on what you did in this life. Unless we add in another, unkind element to do the judging, then God does it. God punishes you for misdeeds. (If anyone else knows anything more about Hinduism please correct me. I got this all from the first site of a "Hindu moral code" google search)
In this case we are starting to debate whether God is cruel or kind, and not whether God exists. Even if God does his own smiting in one form or anther that in no way has anything to do with his existence.

I don't, however, see this a corruption. Humans do something bad they suffer, we all do. Using the bible as the example; if God is thought to be our father in some sense I suppose it would be like punishing your child. Though I dislike using this example, as I really don't support such theories.

If God works with us using our karma to judge our behavior, and determine where we go next it is somewhat easier to explain why bad things happen to good people. A drop at a time will fill a bucked over time.

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Sitaution A: A man walks along on a trail and stumbles over a rock, falling flat on his face. He is hurt.
Sitaution B: A man walks along a trail. God places information inside the man's head that there is a rock. The man notices the rock and steps aside. The man is not hurt.
Remember, God could do anything. He need not stop you from reading more posts; he could simply cure your eyes. In the situation with the rock, God could cause the rock to disappear, transport the man to an alternate universe where there is no rock for several seconds, or a billion other things. God could do this in every human's life for every second of every day, being omnipresent and omnipowerful.
That is really not realistic. I wouldn't want all the mistakes I've made in life or all the things I've endured to have never happened. Our experiences make us who we are. Going back to the bible as an example. They say laziness is a sin, as is sex before marriage, by the logic you have offered God should constantly nudge us away from such things. Since the bible says that sinning will lead to suffering in the thereafter God would have to save them from their sinning.

In addition everyone perception of suffering is different. I don't see a man stubbing his toe on a rock as suffering, and to some people being five pounds overweight is suffering. I suppose God could change a person's self image or confidence in such away that they wouldn't care that they were slightly overweight, but the deeper that gets the less you are you.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Power Corrupts in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Sunday, April 23 2006 16:19 Profile #95
quote:
Originally written by I Would Have Been Your Daddy:
I challenge you to show me a religion or religious text that believes in God, but has no moral code and does not believe God is benign.
Okay, I'll use Hinduism and an example. Siva is a God all loving and worshiped, but will not send you to hell or smite you for your misdeeds. Yama is the God of death, and the judge of your fate, but you are not judged for your faith but rather your actions. Almost all faiths and cultures have a symbol of death/carrier to the thereafter, and is often thought of as a God. So some God's are all forgiving and all merciful, and others do the smiting.

Your statement was referring to the nature of "the God" and how it pertains to the bible. Your challenge would hold more ground if you asked me to present a faith that follows a single God.

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Originally written by Dolphin.:

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Why does God permit suffering in the world if he is all-powerful and benign?.
Karma.
What? Please explain.
This concept begins to get a little difficult to explain without getting into the concept of reincarnation, so I'll avoid that.

Following the notion that we actually have freewill it should be fairly apparent how human might use that to cause themselves and others suffering. You could say that babies are born with afflictions, what could they have done to deserve that? Well, those cases are often due to the parents' life choices, as well as genetics. I suppose God could save you from every pit and falling rock, but for that to happen God would have to more or less prevent you from doing everything.

My eyes are tired from being on the computer all day; should God stop me from reading anymore posts to protect me from further discomfort?
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Power Corrupts in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Sunday, April 23 2006 12:05 Profile #90
quote:
Originally written by I Would Have Been Your Daddy:

If God exists, why does he not come out and tell us?
So, if a child never meets his father that means his father doesn't exist?

[quote]If God wants us to have free will, why is the Bible full of laws and horrible curses that come on you if you disobey those laws?[/quote]This just goes back to the questions "do we really have free will" and "was the bible actually written by God". Just because the bible contradicts itself doesn't mean there is no God. There are other faiths, and other holy texts in the world.

[quote]Why does God permit suffering in the world if he is all-powerful and benign?.[/quote]Karma.

[ Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:07: Message edited by: Dolphin. ]
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Beta call for "Where the rivers meet" in Blades of Avernum
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Sunday, April 23 2006 11:34 Profile #41
Initial report sent.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
does any1 like in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Sunday, April 23 2006 10:37 Profile #3
TM :P
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
How many people would like spiderweb software to make a game for the nintendo DS in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Sunday, April 23 2006 07:43 Profile #40
quote:
Originally written by lord llama:

Bomber, you know me, and you know that my family has a DS
Ahhh, that feels so much better.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Guess What in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Sunday, April 23 2006 07:08 Profile #7
Congratulations, Thuryl!

May you post (at least) 7000 more.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
G.W.B.W.O. in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Saturday, April 22 2006 20:53 Profile #4
IMAGE(http://www.contractorslicense.com/images/Lock.gif)

Edit: I'm pretty sure that Bush/owl picture has been posted before.

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Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
is this game worth playing in The Exile Trilogy
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Saturday, April 22 2006 20:48 Profile #11
quote:
Originally written by lord llama:

to be entiely honist i hate reading and avoid it as much as i can :D
You dislike reading but enjoy SW games? Interesting…

The Avernum trilogy is more or less the same as the Exile trilogy. There are some differences, but not enough to play both trilogies, IMO.

Try BoE instead.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Thorious's daughter's room. in Avernum 4
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Saturday, April 22 2006 20:35 Profile #10
This thread gives me CV flashbacks.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Statistically Yours, on the First Anniversary in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Saturday, April 22 2006 18:18 Profile #83
Aw, all this cookie talk makes me think of Stugie. Will he be coming back?
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Statistically Yours, on the First Anniversary in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Saturday, April 22 2006 17:26 Profile #80
I'd go for a midnight walk, but the glowing eyes of the coyotes and raccoons creeps me out a little.

The Geocities link works for me as well.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Thorious's daughter's room. in Avernum 4
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Saturday, April 22 2006 10:36 Profile #5
You can't. Load a save file.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Statistically Yours, on the First Anniversary in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Saturday, April 22 2006 08:48 Profile #65
Some people keep lists. I have a good number of them, but haven't kept it up since I wasn't on daily. I know using commas to separate the names makes it a bit cluttered, but it's a long list. Anyway, here's the monikers I have.

Thoughts? 0 o, You may address me as, Byte -1, Byte?, Exterior, Monologue, Interior Analog, Ulterior Epilogue, Too little, two late, Bebitten, The Mismanagement, Bandycleffery, Morningstar Wit, Droovlewizzs the Edgewise, Gummy Wyrm, Grape Slime, Mauve Jelly, Lo feo, B.Y.O.S, Fissure of Men, Anthropological Ra, Electorael, Steady Decent, Cellulism, Conspiracist, Semihemidemicanadian, REx #335, Exploding Head, Qeeaqarut, Innocent Abroad, Justice by Trial and Error, Friendly Whomp, Fury #2, You never read me anyway., Superjective Experience, But microscopes are prudent, K, Yeek Elite, Orison of the Agnostic, Bombastic Bloviation, Plegar, Viverase, ArtNOW ArtNOW ArtNOW, OGM, 'Lo, Hi', Post Fours, R & D & B, Last Light, Eckxs, Cable Jockey, Conscribblative, Glitch, technical, Doublello, My moniker unforgotten, Time Lapse Web Recording Device, HOP, Chivo expiatorio of yom, Increditable, Mycotopians Unite, Reverbatim, The Invisible Worm, Asymptotic Descent, Beacon, Internal Sanity Service, Scripter Sans Serif , Trench Foot and Mouth, Nominal Recycling, Copper and Iridium, Pi Times the Light of Heaven, Inspiring Thuryl Since September 05, Putting the 'ik' back in moniker, Hierophant of the Random Numbers, Friend of Electroconvulsive Therapy, Question Most Authority, There are no absolutes, Grouchinati

Edit: This is 6/28/05 - 9/25/05

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Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Power Corrupts in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Saturday, April 22 2006 08:21 Profile #65
quote:
Originally written by lord llama:

god dose NOT have absolute power because he dose NOT exist...evidince:if god created everything who created him,and is there was some one created him who created that guy and so on for infinity and if they all created holy things to create y not created the galixy them selfs :confused:

how do you like that

i bet none of you ever thought of that..well maby a few but not many

edit:also if some how god dose exist if you liked vilence but went to heavin wouldent heavin be a place were every one had bats and guns and killed eachother only to come back 1/2 a sec later to fight some more
or if you liked vilence and went to h@11 wouldt h@11 have god and a bunch of monks siting wateing for you to meditate or something :eek:

agaion bet you didnt think of this
First of all everything had to come from something. If you want to say it wasn't God that's fine, but what was it?

As far as violence and harming others as someone's form of heaven, well, unless you can show some holy text that says otherwise that would be considered evil. If someone's form of Heaven was to make others suffer I'd assume they would be born in "h@11".
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
change shaper graphics? in Geneforge Series
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Friday, April 21 2006 18:11 Profile #13
Changing the template number in the script alone wont give the desired effect. As said earlier the Drakon graphic is larger than the Shaper graphic.

It would take more work than it's worth to make a PC Drakon, and since all shapers (including the PC) share the same template all Shapers would become Drakons.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Power Corrupts in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Friday, April 21 2006 14:25 Profile #14
quote:
Originally written by Redstart:

A book written by humans while under the influence of the holy spirit, i.e. directly influenced by God. At least, according to Jahvist lore.
Yes, according to the religions that follow the bible that is true.

In the end statements like that are used to avoid having to get into in-depth discussions or give elaborate explanations. I'm tempted to bait this further, but responses like that are a matter of personal belief more than anything else.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Power Corrupts in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Friday, April 21 2006 13:35 Profile #11
quote:
Originally written by Ur-Noob:

Since God is holy and man is not, God is the only one capable of handling absolute power without corruption.
Saying God is "holy" or "perfect" is in itself faulty logic, as the only evidence to support Christian's idealisms of what God is thought to be are based a book written by humans.
Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Power Corrupts in General
Dolphin
Shaper
Member # 5437
 written Friday, April 21 2006 10:02 Profile #8
If God is a he, she, or it I don't see how it can be compared to humans. You might as well compare a human's capacities to those of a gerbil.
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