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Project GFT Start! in General
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to undertake is a verb BUT undertaking is a noun

You used the word undertaking so in fact my point WAS correct. But, again I reiterate, language rules are rules of convention and will change with time.

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It's pretty futile to try and assign a specify quantity to that kind of characterization in the first place, but if you're going to, 5% is way too small. Look at any language that has been around for a thousand years, and that should be plain.

Actually, 5% is probably pretty close to the truth, and its not futile to establish this value. A simple comparison between generations of text would generate validity to the rate of change. You should note that the core of a language remains relatively constant while it is the fringes and emerging uses that change.

As you did note, correctly, the exact percentage isn't even important, it is that change is occuring.

Remember, the rules of language are a convention aimed at fostering communication.
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Communication between groups is necessary. That is why we have conventions. A convention concerning basic rules of language use is handy so that when I write, making allowances, I can expect others, making allowances, to understand. I see this convention as a lingua franca, nothing more. We should encourage those who are not comfortable using this convention to become so. But we should not discourage those who are fortunate enough to have other languages and dialects from keeping them as they also accept the convention. We should not tell them their grammar is "wrong."

The problem with talking about a convention as a description of some ideal is that people forget that it is merely a convention. That one group of people agrees to drive on the right or the left of the road is arbitrary. There is nothing inherently better about one way or another.

I would like to urge everyone interested in language and especially those who feel compelled to promote some ideal of usage to remember that with regard to language use, it can only be convention. The nature of language prevents it from ever being more than that.


So to my friend Aran, do not sweat the proper use of "averse".

[ Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:07: Message edited by: the fatman ]

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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Aran has coined a verb (to averse) which is a legitimate act in English, but in this case unnecessary since the adjective averse already exists. It's also consistent with say, disinclined or indisposed. I think it's a more complex error than mere orthography, and refelcts the sophisticaion of Aran's grasp of the tongue.
(I hope that metaphor gives you some horrible mental images.)

It doesn't bother me that we are inventing words. In fact, about 5% of the English language will change every 1000 years (definition/spelling/new term). Its when, in putting forth the argument, the individual arguing for a correction fails to use proper terminology as well that it becomes comical. And my point wasn't to correct - it was to humor (although without face to face contact that wouldn't necessarily be obvious.)

I note also in your post that disinclined and indisposed actually exist (although, now by virtue of Aran's post aversed also exists), are formally defined and have rules existing for their usage.

Perhaps the solution is to nominate a grammar and spelling authority to the moderators board and then we can influence the shape of the English language for future generations through the stick of banning.

Also, as I note at least two spelling errors in your post, I deny you the authority to offer meaningful correction or rebuke to my earlier statements and assign you karma of 1.

[ Wednesday, March 22, 2006 08:12: Message edited by: the fatman ]

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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The only problem is, is that this is an enormous undertaking. It will require much patience and time, which i doubt anybody has (I, as somebody who is undertaking about four very big projects at once, knows what he is talking about).

Hint # 2. Undertaking is a noun, not a verb. Perhaps you mean:

I, as someone who is taking on about four very big projects at once, knows what I am talking about.

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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Jeff doesn't appear to be aversed to marketing other people's games (though I don't know if that still applies). I'm not sure if this works vice versa, with other people marketing Jeff's games (in other languages).

Aversed?? Why oh why do we worry about grammer when we cannot even spell correctly?

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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Mmm, Saganaki... Flaming Karma in General
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Really, what does it matter what your karma is? Without knowing who voted for you andor why you have little/no control over altering it.

Now, it could be useful to use Karma to determine whether people goet banned/canned/otherwise disciplined.

Personally, I spam everyone an automatic one star because I am old, I am tired, I am bitter.

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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Changes for Better or Worse? in Avernum 4
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I also hated the secret passages. Used to just power up the character editor to give me a powerful version of the revealing spell and go to town.

If the game is to have "secrets" I prefer puzzles. You know of their existence but you have to figure out the solution. If you had time/energy to solve it could have a powerful prize but if you didn't well the game could still be won without it.

The more I play these games the less I am into replay. I prefer new stories - gives me perspective on the authors.

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played boa for the xtra scenarios but soon found it boring because tm's scenarios gave you too much power after finishing so like a spoiler

Use the HLPM to get yourself to an appropriate skill level and viola, keeps the challenge high.

Noticed comments about pathfinding. Not so big a deal, I just click on the inset map to locate an area sufficiently far enough away and then on the screen. Pretty quick work I say.

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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Going back to an earlier comment, regarding character specific quests....

If a scenario was set up to require a specific type of character to do a task, a NPC could be provided that you could substitute into your party, allowing you to play through the game without a replay.

Alternatively, a NPC could offer up a quest and be the guide, if you choose to accept the guide role then perhaps the NPC unlocks a secret door/finds a sneak to help solve the mission. Without the NPC the mission may be solved but would be much harder/require a different path.

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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How about some character specific quests? I am thinking that (due to prejudice/racial characteristic whatever) only a specific character could do a mission and receive a bonus. Say, one of your human characters does a mission, gets the flying orb and thus can visit all sorts of the game board. Not central to the main plot perhaps (or allows the main plot to be accomplished in a different manner).

Or, perhaps a spell that is only available to a slith/nephilim (through their religion, history etc). This might increase replayability or cause one to choose party makeups that one would not otherwise do.

Although, for me the replayability isn't huge as I think you get incredible value/amount of playtime ofr $25.00

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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Changes for Better or Worse? in Avernum 4
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Really has changed my opinion of TM scenarios. Used to hate them (various reasons), now I really appreciate the effort into creating alternative storylines, especially ones that differ from hack and slash. Going to go back and play them all (except RoR, sorry).

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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Avernum 4 Trainer +3 for Windows in Avernum 4
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Newsflash: I may not be the brightest star in the universe. My question is this, what excactly does this editor do? If I use it I don't seem to be able to edit how much gold I have, or the number of skill points I have, or my items I am carrying. For the first two, does it just place a cap/remove a limit on how much I can accumulate while playing the game? What does the third tool do? When I place an item in designated slot does it change its value (when I later sell in gameplay? Does it duplicate objects, allowing me to create multiple things for sale? Or, for instance, to create multiple swamp pants?

and why would I do these things?

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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scenario and its plural in Blades of Avernum
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Interestingly, not the same people who reach for their calculators when they have to divide four pi by four.
In our house we put three in the freezer and divide the fourth into fifths (of which I claim 40%)

so you get (4Pie)/3*(1/5)*(.4)= :D

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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scenario and its plural in Blades of Avernum
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Note that Spiderweb Software is based in North America, not Europe. It will thus remain 'scenarios'.

And in Europe it is also "scenarios", that is what I was drawing attention to above, whatever the origins the standardied usage is moving to/already at "scenarios".

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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Note also in the same document that the use of media is singular when used with reference to the press, radio, TV or journalists in general.

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The European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) is an independent, non-profit organization, whose mission is to produce telecommunications standards for today and for the future.

Based in Sophia Antipolis (France), the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) is officially responsible for standardization of Information and Communication Technologies (ICT) within Europe. These technologies include telecommunications, broadcasting and related areas such as intelligent transportation and medical electronics.

All the above directly pulled from their website www.etsi.org. In their document for standardization of the English language it specifically mentions that the plural of scenario is "scenarios" and not "scenari" or "scenarii", see

http: //portal.etsi.org /edithelp /pdf / use_of_english.pdf

Whatever the origins of the word, current modern standardization of its use apparently is evolving to scenarios.

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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And logging in on the use of non-people in TM's scenario.

TM puts an incredible amount of time and effort into the created scenarios, both from a technical point and from an artistic/storytelling point. You deprive yourself of a good chunk of that value by not playing a scenario in the scenario creators original vision. From a role-playing view you realy have to stretch yourself in some scenarios to go outside the original vision - but from a technical, walkthrough and accomplish the missions point of view it can be done in many ways that differ from the creators original vision (here TM but could be anyone).

I would liken it to using the character editor during the game to heal yourself/obtain items...it changes the way the game is played, perhaps altering the original spirit of the scenario but....so what, if you take the product, make it your own and derive value from it, fine.

[ Tuesday, February 28, 2006 06:48: Message edited by: the fatman ]

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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Slavery was prevelent in pre-colonial Africa. European merchants took advantage of this and purchased trade items (Africans) from other Africans. Seeing a good solid buyer, coastal African leaders began extracting as much of this resource as they could from the inner parts of Africa. This was not racist.
Africa is not one nation. Slavery in Africa WAS racially motivated as one african racial group sought superiority over another (or rather, elements of slavery in Africa were racially motivated, prior to the arrival of Europeans). To deny race as a factor is akin to denying race as a factor in the great European wars of the 20th Century

Similarly, calling North American native groups "Indian" denies the racial diversity of the first peoples of this continent - the first NATIONS - who were often also racially motivated against other tribes.

[ Tuesday, February 28, 2006 06:49: Message edited by: the fatman ]

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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two questions, OK really three.

1. Captain Snowfall wants me to find Cesar?, where do I find the rebel? Iv'e been wandering forever.

2. In the gian valley there is a southern settlement. I cannot get into the eastern settlement and I cannot get into the treasure room in the western settlement. Do I have to do the final mission first? If not, how so?

3. Do I really want to dig up the nephil grave?

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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To be PC is to be bland and banal. To be offensive is to be bad taste in the mouth like dishwater.

To be brilliant is to be in between.

"When you vote fat you vote for substance."
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E3: New bosses fun topic in The Exile Trilogy
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Originally written by Printemps:
I would of like to of fought
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Aye wuld lik uf tu fot mani monstres end bad boszes tu. Bring on dem gobilns, wulves end warges.

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"Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things."

"You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares."
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Elections: The Candidacy Thread in General
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The problem with the empire is that they have never funded yogic flying, yet this IS THE KEY to achieving world peace and universal health.

As no candidate has spoken out in favor of this grand notion of ADVANCED civilization, I reluctantly throw my hat into the ring.

Once I am elected, training in the essentials of yogic flying shall begin immediately, with the future goal of erasing the need for democracy (or any form of governance).

"When you vote fat you vote for substance."
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It is that time of the month again in General
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SPAM!!

(working the numbers game)
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It is that time of the month again in General
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So close yet so far. Iguess 16 posts won't EVER get me ranked in the top ten.

Someone should grade on length of posts (get rid of those silly one-liners) or intelligence (whoops, gets rid of me - better re-think this)
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Elections: The Registration Thread in General
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I think we're supposed to register additional UBB accounts for voting purposes.
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Nope. "Register here", in effect, means "post here", and by posting anything besides "I want to vote" in fact makes the registration process harder.

"I want to vote"

However, I want to make the process harder. My theory is, make it hard so only the truly motivated, informed and intelligent can vote.

Can I vote for my pet rock?
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WARNING : Do Not Read EraserHead's Topic, Apology, or Hello Topics - Nasty Images in General
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Noone has ever accused me of being overly bright - what happens to an account when it is canned? When it is banned? (OK banning - you cannot post anymore but for how long?)
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