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"Way of the Blade" in Valley of the Dying Things in Blades of Avernum
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All it means when it says its ability is special is that it calls a scenario script. That scenario script only pops up a message_dialog. Which, in layman's terms, means you can read it and nothing else. (I say this based on looking at it in the scenario's custom objects script.)

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Blades of Exile in Tech Support
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The first contest was a long time ago (Results). The only contest that I know of for BoE right now is the Don't Fix the Shark Contest. (Check with Olympia for Blades contest information.) While technically there is no law that you have to play-test your own scenario, it would be a mercy on your beta-testers if you did, and that requires a full version.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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The supposed damage cap in Blades of Avernum
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Um... wasn't there supposed to be a damage cap? I made a god party (because I was sick of testing my scenario for real and needed just to get through it), and one of my hits did 12106 damage. Most do 2000-3000 damage. What gives?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Blades of Exile in Tech Support
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Also phone or snail mail. Ordering

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Over my rather deceased cadaver. Rrrrrrr. in General
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NEVER, EVER say that something is certain or definite or impossible.
I think that speaks for itself.

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Once it is in a stable cycle it will be "unchallengelable". In the sense of, it would serve no individuals' purpose to tamper with it because it is, shall we say, elegant.
Has this ever, at any point in history, been true of any political system? You are becoming even more utopian, here. The only way to create a system in which it would not serve any individual's purpose to change that system would be to give every person exactly what he or she wants at the very same instant that that person wants it. Otherwise, people will always have demands that aren't being met, and they will demand change to meet their needs better.

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By elegant I mean so complex that it is quite hard to fathom unless you know how it works and even if you could, it would be nigh on impossible to turn it to your own benefit or predjudice.
This is not even remotely what elegant means, but I'll let that slide.

So you're saying that your system would be utterly corruption-proof due to its complexity? My guess is that within years, the educated class would come to an understanding of your system and figure out ways to exploit it. Complexity alone is a shoddy defense.

One of the greatest gatherings of political thinkers in the history of the world (some would say the single greatest), the Second Continental Congress and its succeeding bodies in the early days of the United States, concluded that a corruption-proof system was impossible in any practical way to design. If you think you can do better than all of them put together, well, either you're one of the most brilliant people ever born, or you need to examine your ego.

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Do note that despite your criticism of possible corruption, I never make a plan which could not work. It may have an extremely long set of odds to succeed, but I work best with long odds, most importantly, most of my plans which have low probability rates, are in fact, the ones that are ususally successful. Simply because I take more time, care and patience over these than the "dead certs".

But my point was that even if I were to trust you to take time, care, and patience, and even if I were to trust you to design a system that would be fair and equitable, these parameters that you've already laid out would outlast you. An effective governing system lasts longer than its leader. And over time, your system would become more corrupt until it became worse than the system we have in place right now.

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I work best with long odds
My point, again, is that it is not necessarily *you* that I am objecting to. It is your successors. I wouldn't trust you, either, but even if I did, my objections would still stand.

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I never make a plan which could not work.
It's not that it probably wouldn't work. It's that it DEFINITELY wouldn't work for long periods of time.

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I can't quite figure this out. in Blades of Avernum
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They're for the BoE versions, so they're not quite the same just in terms of the minor differences between BoE and BoA.

More significantly, though, they're not nearly as thorough.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Of course the benefits of this "graduation" would have to be accompanied with various other policies to encourage beneficial traits...
You're bordering on eugenics, here.

And the possibilities of corruption in the systems that you have so far mentioned are not only extraordinary, but also astonishingly dire in their consequences.

Imagine if becoming an "adult" and of sound mind became a subjective thing based on tests for everyone. I assume the right to vote would still be limited to adults. Who decides what content goes into these tests? Imagine that someone like George W. Bush (I'm sure you have people like that over there, even if your current leader isn't) got his hands on the content of these tests. Then your system would disenfranchise anyone with unpopular views. It could become like the literacy tests of the Jim Crow American South, disenfranchising certain class or sectors of society based on prejudice. This is BAD. Sometimes people with unpopular views have important things to say (see Martin Luther King, Jr). Sure, in your utopia, corruption like this wouldn't exist, but in real life, it would.

I continue to hold it self-evident that all people have certain inalienable rights, maturity level and intelligence aside. We cannot trust other human beings to judge when and how we are capable of governing ourselves.

Thus, your idea performs obscene acts on farm animals.

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May Day in General
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Ugene Dseb si seksi.

I applaud you for the options you give, sir. Truly anyone who is not involved in progressive ideology does in fact eat babies.

Preferably in a ragout.

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However, in this case, I would like to point out that that was not serious, based on that the first thing I put up was in all likelyhood to be flamed.
So does this mean that you have yet to say anything? Because I could argue against your adulthood-based-on-test policy, but if you weren't serious, there'd be no point. And if you weren't serious, my above statements still stand.

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I can't quite figure this out. in Blades of Avernum
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It *is* quite strange. It goes through the four included scenarios the same way that the other hintbooks go through the games. That is, it looks exactly like the A3 hintbook and does the same things: lists where to get spells and potion recipes, tells how to beat the scenarios, and includes maps. It's kind of a rip-off, because you can just open up the scenarios and get the same information, but whatever.

I think it is another symptom of Jeff's clear belief that his scenarios are the most important part of the Blades experience. He advertises BoA as having four main scenarios and then maybe someday there will be supplementary ones, too. I could go on, but I'd be dredging up old issues that have been beaten to death already.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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I have ideas for something ALOT better than what we have now
Like what? I'll be happy to tell you why they won't work and why they won't be better than the systems that we have now.

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I just don't like the groupings that humanity has come up with.
Do you have something better? Because if not, don't complain.

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BTW, what's "furries"?
Go to Desperance. I'm sure someone will be happy to post a picture for you.

And this topic is very much *not* locked, even though perhaps it should be.

EDIT: In Plush We Thrust

[ Friday, April 30, 2004 14:27: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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I was merely quoting, of course.

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Article - High Level Scenarios in Blades of Avernum Editor
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If I may be so bold... I edited your comments so that they were in more idiomatic English. You could post this as an article and e-mail it to Jeff, if you like. I tried to be as faithful to your meaning as I could, but if you don't like anything, it is yours and you can change it however you like. I kept the European-style punctuation, because we have enough British people on these boards that I think it's fine.

Oh, and one other thing: I think that with the new calls that Jeff is providing for the next version of BoA, we can check the names of the PCs, so this won't be as big a deal as it is now.

My edit:

It is true that using pre-made party offers plenty of possibilities for scenarios. But for a game like BoA that allows sophisticated character developement, many players won't like that very much. (I could develop the reasons, but that's another subject).

If your scenario is good, they'll play it anyway, but if you put in the effort to use only a "roughly pre-made party", they could be very thankful.

A roughly pre-made party is a party with rough specifications, instead of a fully built party.

For a pre-made party to be useful, you don't need to know all the attributes and the exact strengths of all the PCs in the party, so this roughly pre-made party could be a powerful tool anyway for your scenario.

A roughly pre-made party could work as follows:
1 - You describe the rough main characteristics of each PC and give them names. You could be very vague like "Halagic, the best fighter of the party" or a bit more precise like "A powerful woman wizard named Karadia", "Azlit, a non-human shaman that likes to use his weapons" or even "Fendoren, a thief with a Tool Use skill of at least 20 required".

2 - You provide three very different examples of parties that adequately fit the description in order to function in the scenario.

3 - You provide a readme that explains that the player could use PCs that roughly fit the description but it's important to change their name for playing the scenario.

The newbies will become fascinated with having to choose among the three different parties and will play your scenario at least three times in order to try them all.

Veterans will read carefully the specs and the readme, will check the different examples and will get from their parties a set that roughly fits your description.

For example, the "Fighter" doesn't need to be a fighter: he could be a barbarian, a thief with fighting tendencies, or even a shaman with sword skills. It doesn't matter; he will play the role of a strong fighter and all those rough choices will function well in the scenario.

Some of the strong reasons to not use a fully pre-made party for a scenario:
- If you provide a high level enough scenario, a player could greatly dislike not being able to use some of the parties he had already raised to this level.
- If you provide a level 1 party, a player could dislike not being able to use your scenario in order to raise a party to a level required for another scenario.
- You greatly decrease the replay value of your scenario.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Article - High Level Scenarios in Blades of Avernum
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If I may be so bold... I edited your comments so that they were in more idiomatic English. You could post this as an article and e-mail it to Jeff, if you like. I tried to be as faithful to your meaning as I could, but if you don't like anything, it is yours and you can change it however you like. I kept the European-style punctuation, because we have enough British people on these boards that I think it's fine.

Oh, and one other thing: I think that with the new calls that Jeff is providing for the next version of BoA, we can check the names of the PCs, so this won't be as big a deal as it is now.

My edit:

It is true that using pre-made party offers plenty of possibilities for scenarios. But for a game like BoA that allows sophisticated character developement, many players won't like that very much. (I could develop the reasons, but that's another subject).

If your scenario is good, they'll play it anyway, but if you put in the effort to use only a "roughly pre-made party", they could be very thankful.

A roughly pre-made party is a party with rough specifications, instead of a fully built party.

For a pre-made party to be useful, you don't need to know all the attributes and the exact strengths of all the PCs in the party, so this roughly pre-made party could be a powerful tool anyway for your scenario.

A roughly pre-made party could work as follows:
1 - You describe the rough main characteristics of each PC and give them names. You could be very vague like "Halagic, the best fighter of the party" or a bit more precise like "A powerful woman wizard named Karadia", "Azlit, a non-human shaman that likes to use his weapons" or even "Fendoren, a thief with a Tool Use skill of at least 20 required".

2 - You provide three very different examples of parties that adequately fit the description in order to function in the scenario.

3 - You provide a readme that explains that the player could use PCs that roughly fit the description but it's important to change their name for playing the scenario.

The newbies will become fascinated with having to choose among the three different parties and will play your scenario at least three times in order to try them all.

Veterans will read carefully the specs and the readme, will check the different examples and will get from their parties a set that roughly fits your description.

For example, the "Fighter" doesn't need to be a fighter: he could be a barbarian, a thief with fighting tendencies, or even a shaman with sword skills. It doesn't matter; he will play the role of a strong fighter and all those rough choices will function well in the scenario.

Some of the strong reasons to not use a fully pre-made party for a scenario:
- If you provide a high level enough scenario, a player could greatly dislike not being able to use some of the parties he had already raised to this level.
- If you provide a level 1 party, a player could dislike not being able to use your scenario in order to raise a party to a level required for another scenario.
- You greatly decrease the replay value of your scenario.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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High level scenarios wanted in Blades of Avernum
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Do people really have level 60-70 parties at the moment?
It's really not that hard to make them, though, either using a HLPM or (presumably, haven't tried) using the Character Editor.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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HA I REALLY WIN NOW!

The Ever-Changing Moniker? We're all in trouble, I think.

A suggestion to Drakefyre: after Member #335 (the Member Formerly Known as Alorael) goes through enough posts and name-changes, The Ever-Changing Moniker would be a pretty cool custom title.

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Article - High Level Scenarios in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Articled edited, taking into consideration the above comments.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Article - High Level Scenarios in Blades of Avernum
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Articled edited, taking into consideration the above comments.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Article - High Level Scenarios in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Suggestion: The most part is about fights. Maybe you could add something about the levels of spells you can buy in the scen (not the rewards).
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2 - You quote plenty problems about the usage of a high level party but few solutions appart to provide a pre-made party.
So I take it that neither of you would object to this article being even longer? :P

Well, I'll look into these two additions tomorrow. And by the way, Vent, just for future reference: I think you mean "apart from," rather than "appart to," which as far as I know is not English.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Article - High Level Scenarios in Blades of Avernum
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quote:
Suggestion: The most part is about fights. Maybe you could add something about the levels of spells you can buy in the scen (not the rewards).
quote:
2 - You quote plenty problems about the usage of a high level party but few solutions appart to provide a pre-made party.
So I take it that neither of you would object to this article being even longer? :P

Well, I'll look into these two additions tomorrow. And by the way, Vent, just for future reference: I think you mean "apart from," rather than "appart to," which as far as I know is not English.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Alorael posted his 7499th post in *my* topic. I WIN! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

...

Seriously, though, what will he do? I am quite curious.

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The board times are PST. Just add three hours (mentally) and you'll get your time.

[ Wednesday, April 28, 2004 15:40: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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