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quote:
Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:

That's great, did I mention you specifically or "those of you who are providing wikipedia links"?
You addressed "those of you who are providing wiki links." I was providing Wikipedia links. If you weren't intending to address me (along with others), you should've been more specific.
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Originally written by Thralni:

I don't know if I feel the love, but I do feel a joy, reading Infernal's post, that makes me smile.
You would think that, you gzipped tarball.

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quote:
Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:

To quote Augie Auer
You're quoting one person. I'm quoting the document which summarizes overwhelming scientific consensus. Hmm.

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Also, to those of you who are providing wiki links, they are of no meaning, much less consequence. Unless you are looking up a proper or otherwise easily proven noun, etc. it is not a source.
Although I am providing Wikipedia links, you'll notice that your comment isn't actually relevant to me. Please try to direct your comments more specifically and accurately in the future.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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From the first citation in the Wikipedia article on "Global Warming" (that is, the IPCC report):
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Carbon dioxide is the most important anthropogenic greenhouse gas (see Figure SPM-2). The global atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has increased from a pre-industrial value of about 280 ppm to 379 ppm in 2005. The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide in 2005 exceeds by far the natural range over the last 650,000 years (180 to 300 ppm) as determined from ice cores. The annual carbon dioxide concentration growth-rate was larger during the last 10 years (1995 – 2005 average: 1.9 ppm per year), than it has been since the beginning of continuous direct atmospheric measurements (1960 – 2005 average: 1.4 ppm per year) although there is year-to-year variability in growth rates.
Basic point: CO2 levels are very high now, higher than they have been at any point in the recent geologic past. They continue to grow.
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The primary source of the increased atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide since the pre-industrial period results from fossil fuel use, with land use change providing another significant but smaller contribution. Annual fossil carbon dioxide emissions increased from an average of 6.4 [6.0 to 6.8] GtC (23.5 [22.0 to 25.0] GtCO2) per year in the 1990s, to 7.2 [6.9 to 7.5] GtC (26.4 [25.3 to 27.5] GtCO2) per year in 2000–2005 (2004 and 2005 data are interim estimates). Carbon dioxide emissions associated with land-use change are estimated to be 1.6 [0.5 to 2.7] GtC (5.9 [1.8 to 9.9] GtCO2) per year over the 1990s, although these estimates have a large uncertainty.
Basically, burning fossil fuels is the biggest source of increased CO2 in the atmosphere, and deforestation is the next. Chapter 2 of the IPCC's full report (available from their website) gives, starting on page 7 of the chapter, a conceptual overview of how this works, and Chapter 9, starting on page 9 of the chapter, gives numbers (in summary of Chapter 2).
EDIT: For some reason, UBB won't include the third quote. Basically, the quote says, It's not the sun. It's not some natural process. It's us.

As for whether there is a scientific consensus, from another page from the usual source: "A 2004 article by geologist and historian of science Naomi Oreskes summarized a study of the scientific literature on climate change.[8] The essay concluded that there is a scientific consensus on the reality of anthropogenic climate change. The author analyzed 928 abstracts of papers from refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, listed with the keywords "global climate change". Oreskes divided the abstracts into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. 75% of the abstracts were placed in the first three categories, thus either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, thus taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change; none of the abstracts disagreed with the consensus position, which the author found to be "remarkable". It was also pointed out, "authors evaluating impacts, developing methods, or studying paleoclimatic change might believe that current climate change is natural. However, none of these papers argued that point.""

[ Saturday, August 18, 2007 09:57: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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EDIT: Eh, not worth it.

[ Friday, August 17, 2007 19:37: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Garrison:

How's this for redundancy: Rotstench the Stinking
This is now what I will be calling you.

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I like it!

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Jumpin' Sarcasmon:

[If you have evenly balanced scales... and add even the tiniest amount... you will find that the balance is now off. Some things can be quantified like you seem to think, and the equilibrium of the atmosphere and oceans is one of them.
To elaborate a little further, it is not very hard to calculate that the average surface temperature of the Earth would be around 254 Kelvin (that's -19 Celsius, which is well below freezing) without the greenhouse effect. The average surface temperature of the Earth is actually nearer to 288 Kelvin (15 Celsius, well above freezing). That's a 34 degree swing primarily due to the greenhouse effect.

If this were a linear relationship (which it's not — it's more like an exponential), adding only 3% to the greenhouse effect would still increase the temperature a degree or so. A degree may not be too much cause for concern, but even ten degrees would be catastrophic (Americans, remember that a ten degree change in Celsius is almost twenty degrees in Fahrenheit), and our rates of putting greenhouse gases into the atmosphere are not decreasing; they're increasing exponentially.

The climate change that we saw in the twentieth century was pretty minor, but that's not what might happen in the twenty-first if we don't at least slow our increase of rates of dumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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This is all basically beside the point. That article is not trustworthy. Its extreme language is one pretty strong indication of that.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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I hope whatever's wrong gets better, whether it's you who's not well or someone you're visiting there.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Stillness:

Sometimes "so-called" simply refers to how a thing is designated though with no regard to the writers agreement. In fact, that is the primary usage of the word.
No, it's not.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

You know, if I may play devil's advocate here, he might simply be using "so-called" to signify that greenhouse gases don't warm the earth by exactly the same mechanism that a greenhouse warms the air inside it.
That point is a far more reasonable one than any that the article actually makes. :P

At least, I imagine it is. I know how the greenhouse effect works, but I don't actually know how a greenhouse works. :P
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Originally written by Stillness:

In this case i think the writer was commenting on the bias inherent in calling gases "greenhouse." If you say "greenhouse gas" most people immediately think, "this gas is responsible for global warming."
That's just plain ridiculous. Greenhouse gases are called "greenhouse gases" because of the greenhouse effect, not because of global warming. Trying to avoid calling them "greenhouses gases" to avoid the connection with global warming represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what the term means.

You could complain about bias in a term if they were being called "global warming gases," but not if they're being called "greenhouse gases."

[ Thursday, August 16, 2007 06:40: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Stillness:

I read information about the Sun’s effect on climate change a while ago and since then I’m somewhere in the middle.

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=8gfbewe7

That article lost me as soon as — well, it actually lost me as soon as it said, "Like Darwin's theory of evolution and Big Bang cosmology, global warming by greenhouse gas emissions has undergone that curious social process in which a scientific theory is promoted to a secular myth." Coming from an evolution-doubter, that article lost all credibility. But let's say that it didn't: then it would've lost me when it said, "As for warming caused by mankind's production of so-called 'greenhouse gases'" (emphasis mine).

Greenhouse gases really do cause a greenhouse effect. That's not disputed at all by anyone who has a grain of sense. I've done the calculation to find how hot the Earth would be without the greenhouse effect (not hard — I could do it here). I can tell you why the greenhouse effect occurs (it's pretty basic science). Terming them "so-called" greenhouse gases is absurd and stupid; they are greenhouse gases. The controversy is whether man-made greenhouse-gas emissions are contributing significantly to the greenhouse effect and thereby to global warming, not whether greenhouse gases actually cause a greenhouse effect at all.

Whether variations in the Sun contribute to global warming or not, I can't say. They may. But that article is a sham, and any supposedly scientific article that is stated so stridently and so derisively is immediately suspect.

[ Thursday, August 16, 2007 06:08: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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My parents have two cats, one named Black Cat and the other named Orange Cat. Orange Cat was my cat when I lived with them. They also have a dog, Patches.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Synergy:

What the CO2 alarmists bafflingly fail to point out or draw conclusions from is the simple clear fact that the increase in CO2 levels always follows the rise in temperature, not precedes it. A century+ ago when we were cranking massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere with early industrialization, there was no correlating rise in earth temperature.
These two sentences create a bizarre juxtaposition. If the increase in CO2 levels follows increase in temperature, why did CO2 levels increase before the temperature started rising recently? Ephesos has it the right way around: CO2 levels increase preceding an increase in temperature, not the other way around.

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Yes, the earth is warming at present. But we ain't causing it.
Here you disagree with the overwhelming majority of mainstream science. As Alo has pointed out, this puts your belief on par with evolution-deniers'.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Mars, you're already Canned. Try not to revive old topics when you don't have anything worthwhile to add, because you're just digging yourself deeper.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by No more muffins:

Oh, and the pun went into one eye and out my left foot.
He doth indeed show some sparks that are... like wit. :P

[ Sunday, August 12, 2007 15:17: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Spidweb:

Cheeseball, sadly, expired. (Which is why it wasn't in Avernum 4.)
NOOOOOOO!! :(

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by root:

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hex editing is legal, basically
However, it is not legal to discuss it on this forum.

You apparently missed the discussion of this. We have official permission to discuss hex-editing of save files in order to fix them. We can't talk about hex-editing for more nefarious purposes.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Now, now, don't get testy.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by UserDevNerd:

Maybe Jeff is just seeding the mirrors before he makes the official notice?
That's what he usually does. It's usually possible to download the game a day or two before it gets linked on the main page.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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What on earth could possibly be the reason for this thread?

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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