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In this topic, I celebrate my inability to shut up. in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Without Aran there would probably be no Slarty. EE was the gateway drug that transported me from the A4 forum to General.

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My God can beat up your God! in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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Sorry. I completely missed the sarcasm.

With someone I know, I'd probably have caught it, but noobs say some dumb poop around here. :P is very useful punctuation, indeed.

And: The meaning of "messiah" as it is used in English today is specifically an anticipated saviour. The original meaning thousands of years ago in Hebrew was broader, but today it is not just anyone with a holy or divine message.

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Belisarius Is The World's Biggest Noob in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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quote:
Originally written by Man with a Thousand Names:

There are some hits from Nevada, so it seems quite likely.
And you claim you aren't stalking all of us. :P

Is anyone else here in Illinois? I'd better watch out...

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The Bullseye Shaper in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Every point of Luck gives you a 2% bonus on all rolls to hit or to dodge. I think it affects damage given and received in some subtle and random way, but I'm not sure. Although the status screen shows a visible increase in armor and resistance from Luck, I'm not sure if this actually happens. (In A4, the visible increase is total baloney and there is no actual change in damage taken.)

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Tweaking G3 in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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I would never ask (or want) Jeff to distribute this. If he sees an idea he likes and uses it, cool, but it's his game. Similarly, editing the story or quests or whatever seems like overkill to me. Not only is it high effort and low reward, that is really not my place to do.

I gave the Vlish luck because I wanted to do something interesting to represent their telepathic abilities (which are mentioned several times in game descriptions).

Roamers, I desperately wanted to make interesting, and different from Artila. The +1 AP is an extremely minor advantage, but it makes them different, and is potentially useful in terms of tactics -- an area that is often blown to smithereens by the sheer power of shaping.

Plated Artila was not a typo. The definitions file contains data on many of the rogue subtypes that appear in the game. The vast majority of them are just higher level versions of the regular rogue, with literally no other changes. I wanted to differentiate them a little bit, to add some more variety to combat. Frankly, I could probably do even more in this regard.

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The Topic To Perhaps End Some Topics in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #24
Speaking of 1337, I belong to a club called d-1337. Sadly, this is true.

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In this topic, I celebrate my inability to shut up. in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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What exactly is the unholy history of bread?

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Some interesting questions in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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For #3, I suppose I'll say Yul Brynner.

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My God can beat up your God! in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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Dude. If we are using words to communicate, what do you expect us to go on, other than what words you use?

"Worship" and "listen to the words of" are miles apart.

Mohammed is not a messiah. Messiah has a very specific meaning. Throw whatever adjectives you want in front of prophet, it won't make him a messiah.

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Peer Review Process (was Evolution Stuff (was What is Religion, exactly?)) in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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Four legs good, six legs better!

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Tweaking G3 in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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The real problem is that Burning Spray has a misleading name. Jeff uses both "searing" and "burning" to describe acid type attacks in his games, though sometimes he uses "burning" to describe fire attacks. Searer is, frankly, a questionable word to begin with, and not a good spell name if you ask me.

Anyway, the reasoning is that Artila are common, and a staple attacker. They need a straightforward attack that actually does damage (i.e., Searer). The Searing Artila are a variant, so they can have the variant attack (Burning Spray).

Also, keep in mind that only if you look at the scripts do you realize the Artila attack with Searer. The game just describes them as attacking with a glob of acid or something like that. Searing Artila are described the same way.

Edit: Also, Searing Orbs haven't been called that since G1. They're Essence Orbs now. :P

[ Tuesday, May 30, 2006 13:19: Message edited by: Anti-Fairy ]

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Peer Review Process (was Evolution Stuff (was What is Religion, exactly?)) in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #25
More wise words from SoT.

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Ghosts of Stalin in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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quote:
Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:

Do you suffer from Asperger's Syndrome?
You know, Infernal, for someone who is extremely touchy about things that are close to your identity (i.e., Judaism), you are awfully insensitive to things that other people might be sensitive about.

I don't blame you caring about being Jewish. It's important to you, and rightfully so. But you could stand to be a little more understanding about other people.

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Tweaking G3 in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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After discussing the game balance so much recently, it occured to me that I could actually change it -- or at least much of it -- if I wanted to. So I did.

I went through the attack, creature, and item definition files, and made minor adjustments to things I feel are over- or underpowered. The key word here is "minor"; with very few exceptions, I changed numbers by the smallest amount I thought would make a difference. Anything more would be disastrous, since the same sets of definitions determine both player power and enemy power.

I also noticed some previously unnoted imbalances. Did you know that Burning Spray basically does the same thing as Searer, except without the magic damage, and at a lower hit rate... yet costs an extra point of essence?

I'm testing them a bit to make sure nothing causes evil crashes, and then I'll probably put them online in case anyone else wants to give them a try. But I thought I would gather up my edits and see if anyone had any well-reasoned suggestions.

Besides reducing power (Vlish) and increasing it (Clawbugs), I also tried to make boring creations interesting without being unbalanced (Thahd Shades, Searing Artila), add a few skills for flavor (Vlish telepathy, Roamer roaming) and to make arbitrarily annoying aspects of the game less so (item weights). My general rule was that if a great ability still seemed great even after weakening it, I was probably still in OK territory (Mass Energize), and vice versa with crappy abilities. The overall goal: increase potential for fun.

Changes:
Increased general melee damage by 1/5
Increased javelin damage by 1/5
Increased thorn damage by 1/4 (not including reapers)
Reduced Vlish missile damage by 1/6
Reduced Vlish melee damage by 1/5
Held Gazer melee damage at 7/6 normal
Held Alwan's melee damage at normal
Increased Alwan's swords by 3 levels to compensate

Increased accuracy of Burning Spray by 10%
Increased acid level of Burning Spray by 2/3
Increased essence cost of Group Heal to 10
Increased essence cost of Mass Energize to 30
Increased essence cost of Battle Roar to 40

Gave Alwan 30% armor
Gave Greta 15% armor and 15% energy resistance

Increased Enraged Fyora's missile skill by 2
Increased Cryoa's effective base level by 2

Gave Thahd Shade the Icy Touch melee attack Ghosts use (ice damage + slow)
Reduced Thahd Shade's melee skill by 2
Reduced Thahd Shade's effective base level by 2
Increased Thahd Shade's Dexterity by 2

Increased Plated Artila's HP bonus by 10
Gave Searing Artila Burning Spray instead of Searer as a missile attack

Gave Roamers +1 AP

Reduced Vlish's effective base level by 2
Increased Vlish's Luck by 4
Gave Terror Vlish Terror instead of poison mist as a missile attack

Increased Clawbug's melee skill by 3
Increased Plated Bug's melee skill by 5
Increased Plated Bug's armor by 10%
Increased Stinging Clawbug's melee skill by 5 to compensate for the Vlish melee attack weakening

Increased Battle Alpha's melee skill by 3
Increased Battle Beta's melee skill by 3
Increased Battle Beta's effective base level by 2
Increased Battle Gamma's melee skill by 3

Increased Ur-Glaahk's armor by 20%
Gave Ur-Glaahk a cursing melee attack instead of a slowing one
Increased Ur-Glaahk's fire, ice, acid, and poison resistance by 30%

Increased Cryodrayk's missile skill by 8
Increased Cryodrayk's effective base level by 2

Removed Symbiotic Cloak's bonuses to Missile Weapons, Quick Action, and Parry (bug fix)
Increased Deadeye Cloak's Missile Weapons bonus by 2
Increased Farsight Chitin's Missile Weapons bonus by 2

Increased Shielding Knife's armor by 4%
Increased Singing Rapier's Parry bonus by 2
Gave Frozen Blade an icy slowing attack instead of a cursing one
Gave Flaming Sword a fiery cursing attack instead of a normal one

Increased Thorn Baton's attack level by 2
Increased baton, wand, and javelin default charges by 2
Reduced weight of javelins to 0.5 lbs
Reduced weight of Research Notes, Shaper Equipment, and Living Tools to 0.5 lbs

Increased All-Protector's hostile effect resistance by 3%
Increased Projection Band's armor and hostile effect resistance by 3%
Increased Deflection Band's hostile effect resistance by 10%

Arbitrary flavor changes:
Replaced Carnelian Gloves with Lapis Lazuli Gloves
Replaced Rod of Defenses with Rod of Lordly Might
Replaced Rod of Battle with Rod of Channeling
Replaced Koerner's Blade with a secret weapon that Phobia will very much appreciate

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Searing Artila in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #8
Yes. See above.

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Suggestion for increased replay value: Add the three remaining classes in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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I think it's a safe bet that Jeff was using "type" and "class" interchangeably in that sentence.

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Suggestion for increased replay value: Add the three remaining classes in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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Magma, you really need to stop answering questions that you don't know the answers to!

Jeff wrote here that:
"There are five basic rebel character types. Four of them are human."

He wrote in a newsletter that there will be an option to play a servile.

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Cool little discovery. in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Nice discovery.

P.S. Red wizard shot the potion!

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Searing Artila in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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There's an easy way to test this. Get an enemy terror vlish to attack you, then do the same thing with higher mental resistance and with higher poison resistance. Only the former should reduce damage, I'm pretty sure.

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Ghosts of Stalin in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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You know, for once, that particular "I did your mom" actually wasn't an insult. It was just a statement of fact. Lynx is Serge's father. (Um, spoiler. :P )

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Ghosts of Stalin in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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No, no, you've missed the point entirely.

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Searing Artila in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Apparently, Searing Artila and Thahd Shades are not flagged as regular creations.

They have creature type 3, which they share with turrets, pylons, spinecores, and specters.

Other than that they have no special resistances. As far as magic (= energy) damage goes, there is not more than one type. However, disruption is its own category of damage, and terror and stun based damage uses poison resistance, not magic resistance, I guess because they are status effects.

Oh, wait! That's not poison elemental damage, it's mental damage! Duh. The Terror Vlish poison attack is flagged as that type of damage because it used to be a terror attack. Duh, Slarty.

Searing Artila do not get any more health than regular Artila, btw, if you level both up. The Searing Artila just start at a higher level, about 10 levels higher. Since you gain access to regular Artila a lot earlier, this is not particularly relevant.

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Broken Vlish: a too long analysis in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Vlish absolutely need to be fixed. They are far, far stronger than comparable creations. Flat-out power (as you suggest with the Strong Daze example) is only one issue; relative power is another issue. Right now Vlish outclass practically every second and third tier creation so badly that there's no reason to make the others. That's the definition of poor balance.

Hmm...

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Broken Vlish: a too long analysis in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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No, the damage calculations did not factor in poison or acid drips. I haven't seen poison damage go that high, but I haven't experimented with it that much either.

The Terror Vlish is not crap at all; there are so few enemies that resist poison that it's useful merely for the poison elemental attack itself. Gazers, for example, have good resists against energy, fire *and* ice, and armor as well -- but they don't resist poison. Putting two Terrors at the head of a pack of Vlish would actually be a worthwhile investment in my book.

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Ghosts of Stalin in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Mon dieu. In comparison to this, my dark departmental days of debating deep structure seem pleasant and productive.

And Dikiyoba, I can totally picture them having a fight off to the tune of "My schwartz is bigger than yours!"

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