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Alwan and Greta questions in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Tactically, it's a perfectly fine idea. Typical Agent tactics rely on making your one character unassailable through a combination of hit-and-run tactics, brute speed, and buffing spells. Shapers, meanwhile, can make creations that are significantly more powerful than Alwan and Greta, for minimal essence, and can do so fairly early. Arguably, Artila go in that category. Vlish certainly do.

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Geneforge 4--- being Really cool and stuff in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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You never read my Church of the Nine-Headed Cave Cow thread, did you, DeVlish. Pfft :P

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Would you be interested in a sci fi RPG: THE POLL in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Successful SF RPGs on the computer are rare. I don't know if that's just because designers default to the fantasy genre, or if it's because the technical aspects of SF lend themselves to game-style "realism" less easily than magic does.

I mean really, name one besides Fallout.

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Geneforge 4--- being Really cool and stuff in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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STICKS TO STEAKS

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Best Character For GF1 in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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As has been observed a kazillion times, the answer may be very different depending on difficulty settings.

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Alwan and Greta questions in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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I would be very cautious about adding new ability or creature or item definitions. Modifying already existing ones is pretty safe, but we have no idea how Jeff stores the definitions in memory. It may not be set up to handle more than a certain number of abilities, or abilities that are not numbered a certain way. It's probably safe, but if it does cause an error, it could be an icky one. This goes without saying, but test that on a copy of the game folder and not the original.

Also, starting out with 10 AP *and* a baton *is* overpowered, way way way moreso than an acid baton would be. Plated Bugs don't have missile attacks, so their bonus AP isn't so hot. The 10 AP thing should be an upgrade, probably the last upgrade.

Also, starting out with 25% resistance to everything doesn't make sense either. That's a reasonable upgrade at some point, but to begin with non-armor resistances ought to be lower. Standard armor gives you half its armor value as resistance to energy, fire, and ice. Poison and acid resists deserve to be low, and mental effects certainly should be low or nonexistant given the quality of Alwan's reasoning :P

resistances:
0 physical
1 energy
2 fire
3 disruption (resistance is handled entirely by creature_type)
4 poison
5 acid
6 ice
7 mental

I'm not sure how stun is resisted by creations (if at all).

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Fave creation in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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If you're going to appropriate the facepalm, you really ought to save it for when it's truly deserved.

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Anonymity and online identity, yet again. in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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quote:
Originally written by Sprang:

I don't think the manager of McDonalds would look that far into a prospective workers internet life. :P
You'd be surprised.

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Slarty Does Spidweb -- Explicit Language in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Yes, I never said I'd refrain from irony. Good god no.

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Slarty Does Spidweb -- Explicit Language in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Actually, the Shoreland is being turned into condos after I think this year. I live very close to MSI as well. I will miss the Point when I'm gone.

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Creation strength and dexterity in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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It's more useful to make sure they are high level by pumping your shaping stats and creating them early. Energy is determined for creations just like it is for PCs, so both Intelligence and Level are multiplied into the mix. A level 20 creation will have a base Intelligence of 10, 12 if you want to control it, so spending the overpriced essence to boost its Int score will only increase its staying power by about 8% -- less than that, really, since it does regenerate Energy each round.

Also note that energy used varies widely by the attack and is the same as the spell with the same effect. Fyoras and Drayks should almost never run out, as they copy Firebolt (4 energy). I forget how much the Vlish attack costs, but it's also relatively cheap. Artila, Roamers, Cryoas, Cryodrayks, and Terror Vlish cost 40-50 energy a hit but even with them, at high levels, they can go quite a while. Drakons and Gazers and especially Eyebeasts are the only ones that are likely to have severe energy problems, at 75-200 energy a pop.

EDIT: Yes, magic attacks are included. When I say "all attacks" I mean ALL attacks made by creations. There are no exceptions. (Actually, this may apply to every character in the game outside of your PC. Not sure about that.)

[ Monday, June 12, 2006 18:49: Message edited by: Slarty ]

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Creation strength and dexterity in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Just Strength. For creations Dex ONLY influences dodge rate. Strength covers damage and hit rate for all creation attacks.

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Alwan and Greta questions in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Well, you can always pretend he's a missle guardian using gems (very slowly) and give him Essence Orbs or somesuch attack.

I fail to see how an acid baton would be in any way unbalanced, btw. The base damage is lower than Searer (1-3 instead of 1-4) and Artila, which are available very early, get to use Searer. A few points in Magic Shaping and they'll be many levels higher than Alwan, too, and stay that way the entire game. Alwan won't run out of energy, so that's nice I guess, but still.

If you want further realism, I'd recommend giving Alwan some armor protection. He's nakeder than a servile!

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Slarty Does Spidweb -- Explicit Language in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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quote:
Originally written by Randomizer:

At least you're at the right university to spout off about Mesopotamia. Only there would the local public library have academic texts on Sumerian tablet translations (I had a strange childhood reading them. They were always in the to be shelved cart.).
Heh. That was in fact the reason I went to uchicago, though I eventually thought better of a life spent poring over tablets, and I'm gone now. Did you grow up in Hyde Park?

...mmm, Duff Man.

As my last variant PDN insinuated, I actually prefer the Gawain version of the Wife of Bath story, with Dame Ragnell.

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Anonymity and online identity, yet again. in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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I have an, um, very interesting story on this subject. But I'm not about to post it on a googleable forum. :P

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Slarty Does Spidweb -- Explicit Language in General
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Slarty -- Metaphor of Babylon
Probably my most distinguishing feature on Spidweb is my tendency to concoct sets of extended metaphors and allegories involving its members. I spout off about ancient Mesopotamia. And I have somehow acquired a reputation as a bit of a whore. The implication of the Whore of Babylon is mostly ironic, though it provides some further fodder for the first, religious cycle of custom titles, of which I am the matrix, particularly through its adoption by Madonna.

Alec -- Pope Tart
Pope + woman of loose morals and provocative dress = an antipope with fatty, fruity filling. Add to that a tart tongue and you've got Alec.

TM -- Holy of Holies
TM is often referred to as the King of Kings. Correspondingly, the Holy of Holies is the place, in many religions, where divine presence manifests itself. Explaining further might break the CoC; suffice it to say that there's more than one way to fill a holy.

Jewels -- Wife of Baath
Wife of Bath + Baath party. It just felt right. I decided from the beginning the Jewels would require a somewhat contradictory title.

Ash Lael -- Saw Massacre
Ash is violent, or so we pretend, and he is also willing to give witness of his faith, which of course is founded on the massacre of Jesus. More importantly, the final boss of Final Fantasy Legend is God -- known in that game as Creator. Due to a bug, Creator could be defeated by a single strike from a chainsaw, called a saw. So Ash has seen the massacre of Creator on a number of levels.

Archmage Alex -- Stickmata Damacy
Stick figures + stigmata + rolling ball of stuff that collects more stuff as it rolls = stick figure limbs poking dolorously out of strange places going to stranger places = Alex


Delicious Vlish -- Tentacle Crepe
There's very little to point out here except perhaps its contrast to a certain phrase sometimes abused by oldbies.

Salmon -- Thumper
In the wonderful game Think Quick! (1987) the Thumper was an device whose rhythmic pulsing would attract Slime Worms, keeping them away from you. That seemed appropriate for Salmon, as did the other, more obvious connotations to his title.

Arancaytar -- Gertrude Blanch's Secrets
Gertrude's Secrets + Gertrude Blanch = Crazy collecting compiling categorizing calculating computer geek/goose involved in espionage = Arancaytar

Student of Trinity -- Dr. Light
Dr. Light, besides having an appropriately professorial and physicic name, was the creator of Mega Man, originally known as Rock.

Ed -- Flip Top Flop
Another of Dr. Light's creations was the robot known alternately as Eddie and Flip Top, who was a walking suitcase. Ed, of course, changed his mind frequently, oscillating between demanding forgiveness, and lobbing insults involving various foods. In the end he was a flop.

MagmaDragoon -- Lan Taxative
Magma has a tendency to excrete large quantities of thin posts, as if under the effect of Lantax. This can easily become a LAN tax. A more positive interpretation might liken it to Land Tax, as something that gets inevitable waste out of the way. Finally, Magma is young, eager, and apparently obsessed with Mega Man Battle Network, making him a perfect Lan Hikari.

Kelandon -- Warlord, Interrupted
Keldon Warlord is interrupted; so is Girl; I see a resemblance in both.


Fatman -- Vitameatavegamin Girl
"Do you pop out at parties? Are you unpoopular? Well, the answer to all your troubles is in this bittle lottle!" Like Vitameatavegamin, Fatman has all the answers. Also:
"Lucy, you cannot be in the show!"
"Oh, now Ricky!"

Dareva -- Patty O'Hearst
Patty O'Green + Patty Hearst = a happy-go-lucky terrorist faghag color-bringer who sees both sides of things = Dareva

Djur -- Little Orphan Andrea
Little Orphan Andrea

Thuryl -- Oh, Yeaahh!
Kool-Aid Man: sponsor of death, bearer of disturbing smiley faces, idol of bizarre anthropomorphisms eveywhere.

*i -- King Mondo I
Relhan canon + King Mondo wielding the Sword of Damocles = An administrator-king of a dynasty with a questionable name in the middle of nowhere dangling Damocletian questions over our heads = Stareye


Drakefyre -- 98 Debris
98 Degrees + secrets that will have to remain apocryphal in order to preserve the mystique that is Drakefyre = the mystique that is Drakefyre

Tyranicus -- Sir Banks-a-Lot
Tyra Banks + "Baby Got Back" = Pavlovian hair trigger reaction to the mention of a certain female celebrity with a certain prominent feature in some contrast to himself = Tyranicus

Ephesos -- Buddy Holly
Buddy [i]Holly[/i] had a backing band called The Crickets. This is another one that just felt right.

Dikiyoba -- Lucia Pamelora
Lucia Pamela + Fyora = an eccentric fire-breathing artist who was awarded a medal for her efforts during the War and whose odd, imaginative storytelling achieved cult popularity = Dikiyoba


Nicothodes -- If Looks Could Kill
I got a cookie :D

Goldenking -- My Panasse!
Cyrano de Bergerac flitted around as if nothing could touch him; his last words in Rostand's play were "My panache!" The most easily identifiable "golden king" in mythology was of course Midas. After losing his golden touch, Midas had his ears turned to those of an ass because he supported Pan ahead of Apollo in a contest. There is also The Golden Ass of Apuleius, featuring another overenthusiastic, ambitious man who is transformed.

Infernal -- Lichess Oblige
Lich + Noblesse Oblige + (+ fem. -ess | - fem. -e) = Infernal, roughly

Synergy -- Panglossary
Pangloss was a teacher of "metaphysico-theologico-cosmo-lonigology" who argued that we live in the best of all possible worlds, and other cheery things. Pangloss can be translated from the Greek as both the scholarly "all languages" and the less complimentary "all tongue." 'Nuff said.

Marlenny -- Dominicanatrix
I lost my cookie :D

Alorael -- Pinhead Astronomer
A butthead astronomer with his telescope reversed, counting dancing angels on the head of a pin. That's Alorael all right.


That also makes 38 links to Wikipedia, which must be a record for a single post. I hope you've enjoyed my little diversion!

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Probably a repetitive questions but... in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Even the old Bard's Tale series was designed by an entire production team, rather than a single programmer. Given the niche audience Avernum caters to, investing too many resources into an "extra" like sound would be a waste.

I will admit, though, that I have a lot of nostalgia for the Exile II Music. That track really helped get Exile II permanently jammed in my brain. But I think this is a slippery slope. If Jeff put music in in response to complaints about no music, there would be complaints about not enough tracks; with many tracks, there would be complaints about quality, and so on. You can't satisfy everyone without a large budget and niche markets don't get large budgets.

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PyroRoamers explodes unintendedly in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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*facepalm*

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Fave creation in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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quote:
Originally written by bigfix:

vlish are hairless ballons.
That's awesome.

If I had not decided to stop namechanging, this post would totally have been made by 99 Vlishballons.

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Alwan and Greta questions in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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quote:
Originally written by bigfix:

quote:
The point is that he is so wretchedly gimpy compared with Greta
he is not, just cast essence shield and uagument on him and he's fine.

Do you understand what the words "compared with" mean?

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Alwan and Greta questions in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Nobody is arguing that Alwan is impossible to use, and that he can never be helpful at all. The point is that he is so wretchedly gimpy compared with Greta, with practically any creation, or with a Guardian or Agent. I don't think that can be contested.

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Alwan and Greta questions in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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The point is that guardians and battle betas are competing to get dumped on the most by us :P

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Alwan and Greta questions in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Hmm. Maybe "Guardians vs. Battle Betas"

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No canister loyalist? in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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If you keep your creations at high level by creating as soon as the type you want becomes available, they will likely have high enough natural Dex to act before almost all enemies, even on Torment. My Vlish have *never* gotten second strike as of yet.

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Alwan and Greta questions in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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I think we've found the Geneforge equivalent to "Nephils vs. Sliths." It's called "Guardians vs."

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