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Apprentice
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Profile #25
I think you could Recruit Both Alwan and Greta if you go to the Infested Woods north of the Methane Swamp because that's where they both look each other in the eye and believing that's the first time they agreed with each other.
And the baton is a good idea but what? He's going to have Unlimited Ammo? I really like him having a sword.

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Raven v. Writing Desk
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Profile Homepage #26
quote:
Originally written by bigfix:

quote:
The point is that he is so wretchedly gimpy compared with Greta
he is not, just cast essence shield and uagument on him and he's fine.

Do you understand what the words "compared with" mean?

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Apprentice
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quote:
Do you understand what the words "compared with" mean?

sorta :(

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Posts: 36 | Registered: Friday, May 26 2006 07:00
His Mighty Tentacle
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Profile #28
Unlimited thorns are not a problem.

There was a servile that could join you in G2 that had a baton.

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Law Bringer
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Alwan's got the basic problem of all melee guardians in that he wastes AP getting up to attack. With daze to stun a group, then he can stroll up to the monsters and pick them off one at a time. Pumping strength and some endurance makes him useable early on in the game, but he sucks up damage worse than a sponge with water.
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Agent
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and to prove my point that gaurdians are as good as shapers and agents, imagine this, all the gaurdians are dead. the shola attack. who's their to stop them? NOONE. Agents don't know how to fight an honest battle, shapers can't and a horde of battle betas and vish are NOT as good as a horde of gaurdians. the Shola would kill eveyone. so even if noone will admitt it the shaper society needs gaurdians. without them they would die. so gaurdians do rule. :D

and i won't stop trying to prove that they do until people agree with me. beacuse it's true. :) [/QB][/QUOTE]

Actually a horde of Battle Betas, or any of the battle trio are as good. Agents can fight just as good as Gaurdians. Agents bless themselves, blast the enemy, and then fight with their swords. Shapers make Vlish and Battle Gammas and, then blast the heck out of the Sholai. Gaurdians are useless. End of story.

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Infiltrator
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chibi:
quote:

Alwan's fanaticism gets on my nerves (and yeah, I've always had trouble with melee fighters in general), and while I sometimes sympathize with Greta, she also ends up annoying me.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I ended up appreciating Alwan's attitude. He's got a hell of a lot more initiative, guts, professionalism and foresight than Greta. I just hated Greta. What a wench.

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Posts: 522 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00
Warrior
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Profile #32
Alwan is woth it. *cough* Just change "creature 5" with this:

begindefinecreature 5;
cr_name = "Alwan";
cr_base_level = 4;
cr_graphic_coloradj = 256;
cr_regen_rate = 3;

cr_abil_num 1 = -1;
cr_abil_level 0 = 5;
cr_abil_num 1 = 50; // thorns
cr_abil_level 1 = 4;

Nice isn't it?

(Did anyone noticed I was gone?)

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Posts: 153 | Registered: Monday, April 24 2006 07:00
Agent
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quote:
Originally written by Waylander:

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I ended up appreciating Alwan's attitude. He's got a hell of a lot more initiative, guts, professionalism and foresight than Greta. I just hated Greta. What a wench.
All depends if you are a Loyalist or a Rebel, right?

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His Mighty Tentacle
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Profile #34
I can't even begin to find the script that belongs in.

Can he still use his sword? What kind of baton does he have? I might seriously consider this little tweak.

Can somebody just make it a downloadable patch? :P

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Lifecrafter
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Profile #35
The script is entitled gf3itemschars search for creature number 5.

Major's coding should look like this:
begindefinecreature 3;
import = 0;
cr_name = "Guardian";
cr_graphic_template = 100;
cr_max_health = 24;
cr_max_energy = 20;
cr_max_essence = 40;
cr_regen_rate = 2;
cr_energy_regen_rate = 2;
cr_walk_speed = 24; //base_speed;
cr_base_level = 1;
cr_sound_when_slain = 127;
cr_graphic_appearadj = -1;
cr_bonus_aps = 0;
cr_default_strategy = 0;
begindefinecreature 4;
cr_base_level = 25;
cr_graphic_coloradj = 17;
cr_graphic_template = 101;
cr_regen_rate = 6;
cr_abil_num 0 = 2; // sword attack
cr_abil_num 1 = 54;
begindefinecreature 5;
cr_name = "Alwan";
cr_base_level = 4;
cr_graphic_coloradj = 1024;
cr_regen_rate = 0;
cr_abil_num 1 = 50; // thorns
cr_abil_level 0 = 5;
For some reason, cr_regen_rate never works on creations.

Character number 3, as well as numbers 0 and 6, refer to your PCs, if you wish, you can alter them as you see fit.

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Posts: 883 | Registered: Wednesday, October 19 2005 07:00
Warrior
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This on the road going up to the testing grounds:
text1 = "Greta looks around, slightly in a daze. _I had never thought I would ever travel along the road to the Testing Grounds. When I was still in the school, I had nightmares about it._"; text2 = "Alwan says, _You don't deserve to go to the Testing Grounds. Scary or not, it is a secret place. Shapers only._"; text3 = "Greta frowns. _This is a time of crisis. I may prove to be a Shaper yet. I was not thrown out for lack of skill, but because of my principles. Remember that._";
This is at the testing grounds:
text5 = "Alwan looks troubled. _I wish we had come here with the blessing of a Master. Every Shaper can choose for him or herself when to come. But I wish we were not so alone._";
text6 = "Greta says, _I truly never thought I would come here. But I will subject myself to the ordeal if I can. I wish to fight against the monsters, whether the Shapers approve or not._";
text7 = "Alwan snorts. _The Shapers threw you out. You should not be here at all._ Greta ignores him.";

Inner mines:
text5 = "What you are seeing is unthinkable. It is a creation making a creation. Giving a creation the ability to shape is one of the worst and most irresponsible acts a Shaper can do. It is a crime against the balance of the natural world."; text6 = "Alwan looks shocked. _Shaper, a rogue like this, with the ability to spread and make new rogues, it must be destroyed! Can we kill it now? Please?_"; text7 = "Greta turns to you. She has a strange look on her face, as if she places part of the blame for this horror on you, or at least on the Shapers. Then she places her hand on her blade and watches the creature carefully, looking for a weak spot.";
This is where you pick up Diwaniya’s creations, And the entrance to the twin minds. I think.
text3 = "Greta says, _This isn't right. These lands aren't right. Even I can feel it, Shaper or not. This place is diseased. It should be cleaned. By us, or the Shapers, or the rebels. By someone._"; text4 = "Alwan doesn't say anything nasty about Greta's remarks, for once. The two seem united in their discomfort. _She is right. This swamp must be cleansed. And, it seems, the job is falling to us._";
But this is what I like about Alwan:
text1 = "Alwan looks ill at ease. It is unusual, considering how confident he usually acts. _I just wanted to ... I didn't want you to think ... I ..._ He takes a deep breath."; text2 = "_I feel that I have been giving the impression that I am a mindless slave of the Shapers. That I never question anything our kind does. This is not true. I know that our rules and ways have to change, to evolve._"; text3 = "_I am not like her,_ he nods at Greta. _I am loyal. But I can still think._"; text4 = "_However, this is a time of crisis, of war. There are times to reevaluate our ways, but this isn't one of them. Now is the time to be strong, and sure._";
And this:
question = "That is wise. Shapers should try to only change our laws in tranquil times, when we can ponder what we are doing carefully."; text1 = "_It reassures me to hear you say that. Though, as a Guardian, I should think more on enforcing than judging the law, I still have to make decisions. I have to judge what is right._"; text2 = "_And that is especially true now, when nobody is watching or guiding us._";
Then this:
question = "But times of crisis are the times when we should most be looking for ways to change, to adapt."; text1 = "_I was afraid that you would say that. Perhaps you are calmer, stronger than me. But I am scared. I am not afraid of admitting it._"; text2 = "_It is taking all my strength and concentration to fight our enemies and try to find out what is happening. I do not have the energy to weigh my moral code at the same time._"; text3 = "_Guardians do not make laws. We enforce them. I wish I had a commander telling me what to do. But, this position is where I ended up. I will deal with it as best I can._";
Wow, what a long post. I’ll shorten my sig to make it shorter. I would have quoted Magma but you know… Thankyou radix malorum est cupiditas

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radix is Infernal. And, where are the Twin Minds? All I ever did was kill the spawners.

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Posts: 193 | Registered: Thursday, April 6 2006 07:00
His Mighty Tentacle
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Profile #38
It sort of pains me to say this, but I applied the code to Alwan to see if it would correct his shortcomings. He can use both his sword and his thorns... He seems to only shoot plain thorns, and does a fair bit of damage. I don't know how long plain thorns will be useful, but all of a sudden Alwan is a well rounded character suitable for Torment level combat. On the wounded alpha guarding the school exit, Alwan's opening shot did 24 damage, unblessed, unbuffed, all on his own. That's a fair bit of hurt starting out. Blessed, his damage increased considerably. Tremendously. He is now a strong contributor to battles and if you keep him tucked behind some of your creations, he becomes quite the sniper. He still can't one shot kill a fyora, but he is most useful. I can not help but feel that this is how he should have been all along. Batons should be skilled in both melee and missile weapons, and the lack of a ranged attack always made Alwan seem, I dunno, unfinished somehow. Now he actually feels like a real guardian fighting beside you.

Would be nice to somehow upgrade his baton once or twice later. Not like to reapers or anything... But say, to a venom baton and then to, hrm, a submission baton. Submission baton would suit his personality.

Edit.

I dare say that a thorn shooting Alwan would even be a suitable companion for an Agent. The ability to keep range and distance away from the enemy is vital for particular playstyles... I never thought I'd say this.

Second edit.

Just wondering, when you upgrade Alwan's attacks, I wonder if the acid drip from his sword would apply to the thorn shots? And the damage boost? Anybody know, or am I going to have to test this out the hard way?

[ Monday, June 12, 2006 10:11: Message edited by: Delicious Vlish ]

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Agent
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quote:
Originally written by Mr.Bookworm:

radix is Infernal. And, where are the Twin Minds? All I ever did was kill the spawners.
I remember a trapdoor...

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Well, later you can change it to this:
begindefinecreature 5;
cr_name = "Alwan";
cr_base_level = 4;
cr_graphic_coloradj =5;
cr_regen_rate = 0;

cr_abil_num 1 = -1;
cr_abil_level 0 = 5;
cr_abil_num 1 = 54; // baton
cr_abil_level 1 = 4;
quote:
radix is Infernal. And, where are the Twin Minds? All I ever did was kill the spawners.

Ah, I wondered what happend to Infernal. And I knew that radix use to have a different name. I guess I just didn't put two and two together.

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[ Monday, June 12, 2006 10:41: Message edited by: Major ]
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His Mighty Tentacle
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You posted the information but completely failed to say what it would do.

Mind filling us in?

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Warrior
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quote:
You posted the information but completely failed to say what it would do.

Good point.
quote:
Mind filling us in?

Nope, it gives Alwan an acid baton.

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Posts: 153 | Registered: Monday, April 24 2006 07:00
His Mighty Tentacle
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Isn't that a bit to powerful to start with though? Seriously... Even on torment to justify this sort of thing, an acid baton would make seriously short work of the starting areas.

There needs to be a way to upgrade somehow to preserve balance.

The regular baton is nice because it honestly does not feel like cheating.

Greta gets an upgrade to an acid attack later and then a multi target attack... Alwan, as far as balance goes, should also get an acid attack other than his sword, but his baton, and then some other attack later, but not reapers. I mean, don't get me wrong, reapers would be all kinds of awesome, but unlimited reaper shots would just be obnoxious. So a submission baton or something would be a bit more balanced. Then again, submission is worse than outright damage and can be abused.

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Councilor
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Would upgrading from regular to venom to acid batons work? Alwan still wouldn't be as powerful as Greta, but does it balance it out enough?

Dikiyoba.

[ Monday, June 12, 2006 11:23: Message edited by: Dikiyoba ]
Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00
His Mighty Tentacle
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Alwan might still not be as powerful as Greta, but at least he can be as useful as Greta. This is important. Having a means to keep him alive by keeping him out of toe to toe combat is a good thing. Having him alive makes him dependable and keeps him useful. I can live with this. As it was, Alwan was unbearable.

Alwan's overall suckiness was the lasting fly in my ointment concerning G3. I don't really view this as a cheat but more of a balance fix. One that should have been made before the game's release. It wasn't exactly game breaking, but it was extremely one sided how useful Greta was compared to Alwan. Loyalists couldn't keep Greta... She took off right as she was becoming quite powerful.

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Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
Electric Sheep One
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Profile #46
Ideally Alwan's thorns should upgrade, but one could simply do this by hand at the appropriate stages. Perhaps if his ranged attack remains relatively weak, it would make sense for his thorns to just spontaneously upgrade, maybe on reaching different islands. You tend to find lots of thorns and batons lying around, after all, and they gradually get better until eventually you are using spare Reaper Batons to light your smokes. It would be plausible that Alwan just picks some up.

I do still wonder whether this will turn the trick for Alwan. Make his ranged attacks too good and he just becomes Greta, which makes him pointless. Short of that, will his alternatives really be any better than the choice between wimpy thorns or dying in melee?

Experience will tell. Thanks to Major for giving us the opportunity to try this option out, instead of just whining about Alwan. I'm still slowly replaying G2, but maybe I'll go for this next.

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His Mighty Tentacle
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Alwan has no multi target attack... So he will never be as powerful as Greta. But he can remain useful. This is important.

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Raven v. Writing Desk
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Well, you can always pretend he's a missle guardian using gems (very slowly) and give him Essence Orbs or somesuch attack.

I fail to see how an acid baton would be in any way unbalanced, btw. The base damage is lower than Searer (1-3 instead of 1-4) and Artila, which are available very early, get to use Searer. A few points in Magic Shaping and they'll be many levels higher than Alwan, too, and stay that way the entire game. Alwan won't run out of energy, so that's nice I guess, but still.

If you want further realism, I'd recommend giving Alwan some armor protection. He's nakeder than a servile!

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Warrior
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quote:
Isn't that a bit to powerful to start with though? Seriously... Even on torment to justify this sort of thing, an acid baton would make seriously short work of the starting areas.

You missed the part where I said "later" didn't you. And later means some where on the second, late first, or on the early third island.
And I'll try to find some multi attack for him, but wish me luck!

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