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We don't launch toxic waste into space because of the risk it might explode in atmosphere. Talk about a dirty bomb!
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Besides, we might actually find some use for that waste if we think for long enough. Shooting materials into void is stupid, no matter how useless those materials might seem.

As for all sorts of space programs, I don't really see the point. They're costly, and give us almost no gain. We still have lots to do in understanding our own world, why should we be interested in others first?

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Originally written by Lord Safey:

NASA is planing on going back to the moon...
How can we go back to a place we've never been? Just wondering...

Oh, and I'm with Eph. Let's fix this dump before we mess up the rest of the galaxy.

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Edit: Damned double posts.

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We'll have the technology to terraform planets a lot sooner than you seem to think...

Granted, I'd be dead or too old by then anyway, but it's not unreasonable to start thinking about ways to expand. Especially with the coming issues we'll face: we will need another source of fuel. We will need more space.

Luckily, we have solutions to those problems. "Green" and war. :D

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How come no one has mentioned a space elevator? We're not that far away from a working design. Maybe a hundred years or so. :rolleyes:

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quote:
Originally written by MarleNik:

quote:
Originally written by Lord Safey:

NASA is planing on going back to the moon...
How can we go back to a place we've never been? Just wondering...

You know? I never thought about it like that. Honestly, I think both sides of the conspiracy have major holes in their arguments, but if the landing was faked, then I just hope I'm alive to see the government acknowledge it.

And if it was faked, then by all means let the Chinese get there first... then we'll be able to do it better. (I'd bet that if it's all been faked, then either their mission will die or just look ridiculous)

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If the NASA had had the funding, we would've already gone to Mars back in the 80s. What kept us from doing it already? Short-sighted fools who decided that it wasn't "cost effective" to go to Mars. Why isn't it cost effective? Cause we live in a society of throw away technology, where government and corporate greed, rather than reason and need, dictate policy. In such a set up, nothing is cost effective unless it greatly benefits the upper 1%.

Our planet won't last forever, and yet we as a species won't stop fighting amongst ourselves long enough to do what needs to be done for our own survival. By now, we could've found a way to reduce the cost of space travel and even been to Mars & colonized the Moon. By the time humanity finally gets its act together, it will most likely be too late for them.

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Last I checked, there is no dictate stating that the human species is doomed to exist for eternity. Further, there is no reason to believe, beyond conceit, that we are slated to propagate the universe with our kind.

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I can't see colonization of space as a solution to our environmental problems. Admittedly, I don't know a whole lot about space colonization and technology, but I just can't see it advancing fast enough to relieve overconsumption and overpopulation on Earth, let alone solve it.

That said, I don't have any real objection to it. It can provide new ideas, new technology, and better ways to do things, and I would much rather fund a space program to Mars than a war.

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your forgetting the technolgies that would be developed in space conolization. Any colony would have to be extremly effiecent and their would be costantly researching how to better utilize resources in ways we never even imagin. Now terraforming the moon out of the question. That doesn't mean we can't large bases. Terrarforming Mars that centruys possibly thousands of years away. Likewise we could build bases there as well. Those who think the space program isn't worth it don't of the technolgies it has developed. My dad is going to a lecture on the technolgies space exlporation has developed in about a month for an Amerture astromany group. I ask him to compile a list and I share it with you as soon as I get the list.

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Space exploration does have a tendency to produce offshoot technologies that are useful here.

I have trouble imagining us living on Mars because of the different gravity. The acceleration due to gravity is less than half there than it is here. I'm guessing that this would cause health problems, but I don't know what.

Then again, getting to an exoplanet would take a lot more than we're currently prepared to put in, so we may put a station on Mars in the not-too-distant future.

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On the original question, I think Chinese will get to the Moon first, because they are the only ones willing to put required amounts of money and effort into it. However, return to the Moon is just a prelude to the next step: Mars race. And I have no idea how that one is going to turn out, because Americans should get pretty passionate about not being outshined by China. Whether America still has enough of a space program by then to mount a reasonable effort is another question.

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What we need to do now that we've figured out how to get into space is to start to come up with better ways to actually get up into, rather than just try to go somewhere in, space. It won't be one big "look what we just did" thing, since, historically, space travel has always been a "one step at a time" thing. Once getting there is practical, then the other developments needed to go explore the universe will be easier to do.

Believe it or not, one advantage China has over the US is it's lack of experience. China has modern technology and are much more willing than the US to experiment with new things.

On a sidenote, for the most part, we don't need something to replace oil. Right now, we have solutions for ending our dependence on oil. We just need to find a way to incorporate them. Yes, them. Individually, no single one is enough. Only by combining different forms of renewable energy can end our dependence on fossil fuels.

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A while back, I started reading old NASA reports on the Moon landings. I took some of their ideas and changed them into something different that could actually work. Of course, there was one little error. In order for it to work perfectly, I had to have about six hundred kilograms of a material that emits a form of energy which will double in input each second if there is another equal mass of this material nearby.

My prediction is that we will develop such a substance sometime in the next 500 years, excluding sudden quantum leaps in our space sciences research.

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Originally written by Bandit Keith:

On a sidenote, for the most part, we don't need something to replace oil. Right now, we have solutions for ending our dependence on oil. We just need to find a way to incorporate them. Yes, them. Individually, no single one is enough. Only by combining different forms of renewable energy can end our dependence on fossil fuels.
I'm pretty sure that jet aircraft can't be powered by biodiesel. Unless we're all fine with going back to turboprops, I think the air travel will be hit pretty hard by depletion of fossil fuels.
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quote:
Originally written by MarleNik:

quote:
Originally written by Lord Safey:

NASA is planing on going back to the moon...
How can we go back to a place we've never been? Just wondering...

Oh, and I'm with Eph. Let's fix this dump before we mess up the rest of the galaxy.

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Thanks for posting!

Sit tight... We are taking you back to: To the moon
I'm so tempted to edit out the preposition from the title.

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Some people here seem to think that getting to space and forming colonies is some kind of a necessity. I don't get why. There are many solutions to our problems, and space travel is one of the most far-fetched and technologically unfeasible option I can think of.

Please, explain to the dimwit.

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Its currently not a feasible technolgy becuase it hasn't been developed. Once it gets developed it will be a lot more feasible.

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Originally written by Frozen Feet:

Some people here seem to think that getting to space and forming colonies is some kind of a necessity. I don't get why. There are many solutions to our problems, and space travel is one of the most far-fetched and technologically unfeasible option I can think of.

Please, explain to the dimwit.

We're not going to stop a giant rock from destroying the planet, or keep the sun from exploding. We need to be ready for one of those disasters we'll never have control over. Also, by developing space colonization technologies, we may stumble onto ones that would be useful in fixing our own planet.

Now, space travel will be feasible when we figure out how to get off this rock in a more practical manor. There are many little things that we can do to improve on how we get to space. Yet, currently we aren't doing them. While we still need one really big revolution, a few small changes will help out til that revolution comes.

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quote:
Originally written by Frozen Feet:

Some people here seem to think that getting to space and forming colonies is some kind of a necessity. I don't get why. There are many solutions to our problems, and space travel is one of the most far-fetched and technologically unfeasible option I can think of.

Please, explain to the dimwit.

Just like with other examples of basic research, most of the benefits will be something we can't currently predict. For example, when USSR and USA were "wasting" massive amounts of money on the space race, most people couldn't predict communication satellite networks, GPS, weather monitoring satellites, etc. So while the public is attracted by prospects of Mars vacations, the real benefits will probably come from currently unexpected technological advances.

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The point is that the Germans already beat both China and the United States to the moon. Hitler is still living there in his Secret Nazi Moon Base to this day.

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Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

The point is that the Germans already beat both China and the United States to the moon. Hitler is still living there in his Secret Nazi Moon Base to this day.
Lies, Hitler was cryogenically frozen, and is awaiting the rebirth of the Aryan race, which is currently being breed on that moon colony. When the time comes, he shall strike back at the United States, who by that time will lack space travel technology will be inadequate to launch a counter attack. We tried to take him down back in the late 60s and early 70s, but failed. That's why China wants to go to the moon. To succeed where the US and Russia failed.

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quote:
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