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Other similar games? in General
Warrior
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Profile #7
quote:
Originally written by jawbax:



However I pose this question.
Quality open-ended rpg game seems to be very scarce (not including the MMORPG's). What other games are out there of note?
Jawbax

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned "Fallout." As far as open-endedness goes, Fallout 1 and 2 are the most notable ones aside from the Elder Scrolls series.

"Arcanum" is another open-ended RPG. If you like steampunk then this is your cup of tea.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Where are the Geneforgers? in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #22
quote:
Originally written by Lt. Sullust:

Google Geneforge and you get 157,000 items. Google Avernum and you get 317,000 items. .
Avernum also has a few more years on Geneforge. And when you include Exile, the gameworld has been around a LOT longer than Geneforge. It is not surprising that it would have more hits. Hit total does not necessarily correlate with current popularity.

quote:

Perhaps you would care to revise your statement
What exactly in my statement needs revising?

MY QUOTE:
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Outside of Jeff's forums, Avernum doesn't seem to be nearly as popular from what I have seen.
I am purely going by my own experience which may be different from yours.
Look, the fact is that in *my* (notice I am not generalizing) online forays people tend to talk a lot more about Geneforge than Avernum. Notice I am not saying that one is better than the other (as I love both).

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Lancer
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Where are the Geneforgers? in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #17
Geneforge rocks. Plain and simple.

In fact, when you look at other forums online and see which of Jeff's games are talked about, the games that are constantly being mentioned are the Geneforge series. Outside of Jeff's forums, Avernum doesn't seem to be nearly as popular from what I have seen.

In fact, it was all the talk about GF1 and GF2 that led me to Spiderweb software to begin with. I had never ever heard about Avernum or Nethergate until I came to this site.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Where are the Geneforgers? in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #4
Two reasons:

1) Blades of Avernum and the constant contributions made by the community keeps this constantly busy. There is no equivalent RPG Maker "Blades of Geneforge."

2) Avernum 4. There is a lot of activity right now due to the new game. On the other hand, it's been some time since the last Geneforge game has come out. I would imagine that when GF4 comes out, things will be pretty busy from the Geneforge end.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Time for another, most embarassing moments thread. in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #14
quote:
Originally written by Lt. Sullust:

quote:
Originally written by Enraged Slith:

Let me think,
I let the woman of my dreams walk out of my life forever... does that count?

No, because your not old enough yet for something like that to have happened.

Not necessarily. I was a pup at 16-17 when I met the woman of my dreams and I thought I had lost her forever. After dating many, many women afterwards I never ever was able to find a woman even close to being like her.

And then unbelievable circumstances...destiny decided 10 years later for us to be back together again. :) We are going to spend the rest of our lives together.

To Enraged Slith.. As long as she still has your number, you may get a surprise in a few years...

[ Wednesday, July 12, 2006 15:08: Message edited by: Lancer ]

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
What do you think of A4 in Avernum 4
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #44
quote:
Originally written by Ephesos:
I fear that I must respectfully disagree... at least in terms of A3's addictive nature. The plagues get tiring, and it's way too easy to get discouraged. That, and finding out that the vahnatai did it was a real downer... it all works out too neatly.

EDIT: SPOILER ALERT A2 and A3!

I must also respectfully disagree with you. The "plague" concept was a rather new plot hook in the trilogy up to that point. And come on.. The morally ambiguous plague between the giants and the troglodytes was priceless...

I agree that the plague plot device eventually became repetitive but this did not happen until A4. And only because A4 had used the same plot hook that had been used in A3. It was a major letdown how in this way as well as others (i.e. Rentar returns yet again!) that A4 felt like a less inspired, more "hack and slash" heavy version of A3.

I agree with Klintor that A3 had the most interesting plot out of the trilogy in several ways. It is the first time that you truly experience the surface. The vahnatai, although introduced and developed in A2, had been allies of the Avernites up to that point. A3 put a spin on the formerly cordial relations between the two races by making them dire enemies. The irony comes full circle when you find yourself fighting alongside the Empire instead. It was really satisfying by the end of A3, how that long bloody struggle between the Avernites and the Empire had finally come to an end. It really gave the player (at least me) a mighty sense of accomplishment. "Old enemies become friends and old friends become enemies." Very well done. Not to mention the unexpected death of the mighty Erika. That gave the game an extra touch of darkness to boot.

A2, although a very excellent game in its own right, felt very similar to A1. It consisted mostly of the same gameworld and it suffered from being somewhat more linear than the original. Combat also wasn't balanced as well as the other games (only A4 was worse in that regard. much worse.).And despite outcrys to the contrary the truth is that the story here really wasn't any better than the others. The main thing that made A2 not feel like "old hat" was its introduction of the vahanatai race. Which was of course very well done.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Bride of the Abominable Photo Thread in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #92
Nico is cute cute cute...cute cute cute.

Oh yeah, Did I say CUTE? :)

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
What do you think of A4 in Avernum 4
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #28
quote:
Originally written by Waylander:
Nope, and why should I? The scenarios that come with the game should be enjoyable. That's sort of expected.

In defense of the included scenarios...A Small Rebellion was a very, very good scenario, BTW. And Diplomacy with the Dead was not bad either.

In either case, it is unfair to judge BoA under the same criteria as the earlier Avernums, which were full-fledged games. The BoA mini-scenarios were not full-sized 100-hour+ adventuring epics and as such should not be judged in that light. The purpose of the included scenarios were solely to give a glimpse of the myriad possibilities of the BoA engine. The scenarios included only scratched the surface of all that is possible. It is then hoped after the player obtained familiarity with the BoA engine, that he/she can go off and make his/her own scenarios to his heart's content.

Seen in this light, BoA is not so much of a game as it is more of a toolbox. A toolbox with much untapped potential. Only the sky is the limit. In this sense, the only thing that makes BoA an "abomination" is the lack of creativity of the designer himself.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
What do you think of A4 in Avernum 4
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #22
Avernum 4 and Geneforge 3 not being very good is one thing...
But BoA is certainly not in that boat. That game rocks!

[ Tuesday, July 04, 2006 19:32: Message edited by: Lancer ]

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
What do you think of A4 in Avernum 4
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #16
Yes, certainly start with A1. The graphics/smaller sprites are the one thing that might take some getting used to. But once you do, expect a more rewarding experience.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
What do you think of A4 in Avernum 4
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #14
Avernum 4 was definitely heavier on the hack and slash side than the previous games. This along with the clunky interface (too much reliance on both the mouse and keyboard), removal of skills/stats/spells,inability to rest outdoors, and the insipid storyline clearly makes this the worst in the series.

The graphical improvements do not outweigh all the above negatives... Although it would have been nice not to have relied on Geneforge-esque graphics.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Favorite Television Shows in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #8
80's and 90's
Married with Children (best sitcom ever)
Unsolved Mysteries

2000's
Eh.. I don't really watch much TV anymore

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Best game in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #17
It depends. From a single game standpoint, Geneforge was a better game than Avernum by a smidgen.
However, the Avernum series as a whole is overall probably more enjoyable than the Geneforge series since Avernum actually has a progressive storyline.

They both rock though. Comparing the two is like trying to decide which of two Lexus' is better or Yale vs. Harvard..etc You get the picture.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Stupid Question in Blades of Avernum Editor
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #16
This thread is useful for newbies like me...

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Stupid Question in Blades of Avernum
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #16
This thread is useful for newbies like me...

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Your favorite video game company in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #32
quote:
Originally written by Leena:
It is amazing how much we agree on games. Although, I’ve always prefer the console over the PC. Now now now, before all the flaming starts: take in consideration that I didn't have a PC until age 15, I think? (well one that was actually worth to count), so I still don't feel as comfortable playing computer games as a do playing games with the console.

Here is a confession.

I grew up on consoles. Way before I had a PC, the only computer I ever had was a Commodore 64. Aside from that everything else had been consoles. The first console I had was the Atari 2600. And then I moved on to the Sega Genesis, Sega Master System, NES, SNES and Turbo Grafx 16 for several years before I even got my first PC...

In fact, even after I got my first PC, I still much preferred the console to it. I was the biggest SEGA fanboy back in the 90's and had utterly disliked PC games. In my mind back then console games seemed much more enjoyable although the serious dearth of quality PC RPGS back in the first half of the '90s (Ultima VII notwithstanding) surely contributed to that perception.

Now it is 2006.. And for nearly a decade, I had found the light and been playing far more PC games than console games by about a margin of 10:1. When Fallout, Baldur's Gate, and Planescape Torment came out in the mid-late 90's that helped changed my perception of the PC. I have not looked back ever since...

I have come to the following conclusion:

Computer games are so much better than console games it is not even funny..

Although, I grew up on consoles and not on PCs, you wouldn't be able to tell that now. I'm virtually all about the PC, and the keyboard/mouse interface is just as (if not more ) comfortable for things like FPS, strategy games, and RPGS anyways than a controller.

THE PC RULZ!

EDIT: And Leena, from previous posts I get the impression que eres dominicana?
I am Dominican myself, although born and raised in the states though I do go to Santo Domingo from time to time.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Your favorite video game company in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #29
quote:
Originally written by Andraste:

Atari 2600 all the way! That the only console I've ever really played.

That was the first console I ever had. I still remember E.T., Asteroids, and Missile Defense!

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I will have to try Planescape: Torment. I hear it's fantastic.

Planescape: Torment is my all-time favorite RPG and that says a lot being that I have played other touted classics along the likes of Ultima VII, the Fallouts, Wasteland, Baldur's Gate, Daggerfall, Xenogears, FF among others. Torment is simply the best RPG ever made on any platform.

I will admit, though, that the game is not for everybody. Particularly, those not into slightly darker games with massive amounts of text. Otherwise, it is a must play. If you can enjoy an engrossing storyline that rivals the best literature, with the best character development (most interesting NPCs ever), I'd get it. And right away.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Yet another in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #11
Alright.. I'll bite.

HAVE YOU EVER

SMOKED?
I took a puff once just for the experience. Otherwise, no.

GOTTEN DRUNK?
Nope

STOLE YOUR FRIEND'S BF/GF?
Heck no

PLAYED SPIN THE BOTTLE?

Heck yeah. When I was a teenager.

GONE SWIMMING IN A WHITE T-SHIRT?

Not that I can recall.

BEEN TO A NUDE BEACH?
No.

BEEN CHEATED ON?

I sure hope not.

BEEN WALKED IN ON WHILE YOU WERE DRESSING?

Probably, although never when I am completey naked.

BOUGHT SOMETHING WAY TOO EXPENSIVE?
I always end up buying things that I feel are way overpriced... This time it was my new license plate after my last one got stolen.

PLAYED STRIP ANYTHING?(and you know who you are, plz don't lie! :P )
Kinky foreplay with ex-gfs. Sure. Why not!?

PUNCHED YOUR PARENT?
Anyone who answers "yes" to this is messed up in the head. No.

GONE TO SLEEP NAKED?

Not completely. Usually I sleep in my underwear.

RAN AWAY FROM HOME?

No.
WORE YOUR PAJAMAS IN PUBLIC?
Don't wear pajamas.

DANCED IN YOUR UNDERWEAR IN FRONT OF SOMEONE?
In front of a girlfriend. Sure.

MADE UP A FAKE IDENTITY WHEN YOU MET SOMEONE?

Nah. I always try to be real.

BEEN IN LOVE?

Yes. I am right now in fact. Let's pray I don't lose her again.

GOTTEN A HICKEY?

Of course!

SLEPT IN A BED WITH A MEMBER OF THE SAME SEX /OPPOSITE SEX?
I am not gay so never with the same sex. Opposite sex, heck yeah.

HATED THE WAY YOU LOOK?

I have never hated the way I look. I hardly pay much attention to my own physical attributes though. I look normal enough. There are other things more important I worry about. I care more about personality than anything else, for instance.

CRIED YOURSELF TO SLEEP?
Nope.
DONE SOMETHING YOU TOLD YOURSELF YOU WOULDN'T DO?
Probably it has happened. I can't recall anything offhand at the moment though.

SUNG IN THE SHOWER?
I have probably done it 2 or 3 times in my entire life. But, no, it is not a continuous habit.

BEEN TOO SCARED TO WATCH A SCARY MOVIE ALONE?
When I was a kid, yes. Not as an adult.

LAUGHED SO HARD THAT YOU CRIED?
No.
FORGOTTEN SOMEONE'S NAME?
I think this is a "yes" in everyone's book.

CRIED OVER SOMEONE?
Nope.
SKIPPED SCHOOL?
I am a goodie goodie about things like this. I don't recall ever doing so.

GOTTEN EXPELLED FROM SCHOOL?
No. See above. I am a goodie-goodie.

DONE DRUGS?
Hell no.
GOTTEN A TICKET?
For going 45 in a 25 zone, yes.
GOTTEN IN A CAR ACCIDENT?
Yep. It wasn't really my fault though.. I was going the speed limit my first time driving through the snow on the highway. I just happened to catch ice the wrong way, fishtailed, hit the guardrail, and trashed my car. Got no points for it but my insurance got screwed for a while.

SCREAMED IN A LIBRARY?
No.
ASKED SOMEONE OUT?
Many, many times. Sometimes successful, other times not so successful.

BEEN ON A PLANE?
Yep.
BEEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY?
Yes. To the Dominican Republic, Mexico and Canada.

PASSED OUT?
No
BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL?
Only when I was born.
HAD SURGERY?
Nah.
PLAYED A TERRIBLE PRANK ON SOMEONE?
I have played pranks but nothing completely malicious as is implied by your question.
MOCKED SOMEONE?
Well, sure. I mock lazy, ignorant, and opportunistic people.
FAILED A CLASS ON PURPOSE?
No.
SEEN A GHOST?
I am still waiting to see one.
CRIED IN PUBLIC?
No way.
BEEN HIT BY A PARENT?
Of course. When I was growing up it was the belt if I was TOO BAD.
ATE DOG/CAT FOOD?
Yuck. No.
WALKED INTO A WALL AND/OR DOOR?
Yeah. I am sure I have done this from time to time although I am not blonde.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Your favorite video game company in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #23
quote:
Originally written by Drew:

"video game company" is a little vague.
For me, there is a sharp distinction between "computer" games and "video" games. When someone says "video games", by definition, I think about games created specifically for the console. Likewise, I never refer to PC/Mac games as video games. They are computer games.

Besides, from the choices given in the poll, there was little doubt as to what the original poster intended, I thought. But maybe that was just me I guess.

Maybe the OP could have put down "Other consoles" instead of just "Other" to make his meaning more explicit.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Your favorite video game company in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #21
quote:
Originally written by The_Other_Guy:

] On another note, I noticed "Other" has a commanding lead and I was wondering what consoles you guys are referring to.
I'd gander that many who put down "Other" are not fervent console gamers and put that down to represent their preference for PC or Mac. But the poll clearly was referring to consoles/ video games and not computer games. Thus, although I do prefer the PC over all else, I put in my vote for SEGA since this is a console poll after all.

I have a feeling that the "Other" results may be a bit misleading and not telling the whole story...

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Nethergate News in Nethergate
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #63
If the given context calls for a puzzle and it makes sense to do so (meaning it wouldn't be more logical just to have a clever trap or ward instead to serve the same purpose), then I have no problem with it.

When puzzles and riddles are put into games randomly (just because..) is when I have a problem with it.
In most cases riddles and the like feel like filler and out of context most of the time.

The mirror puzzles in Avernum are actually a good example of what I am getting at. As you said they felt out of context for the fantasy setting for one. Secondly, moving those mirrors around while dodging those lasers to get them in their correct positions turned out to be quite tedious and frustrating..Anything but fun which defeats the purpose of a game anyways...

Logically, it would make much more sense that there would be a control panel on the sources themselves that would allow the lasers to be turned off so that the mirrors could be moved around safely. After they are in position, the lasers can be turned on again.
But it so happens conveniently you can't do that.. Thought it doesn't make much sense why you couldn't aside from thinking that it would make a "good" puzzle (although I didn't think so). I mean , does it make much sense that the vahnatai would be moving their own mirrors around in those precarious conditions?

The problem with many puzzles in RPGs is that designers make them solely to give the player a challenge, with no consideration as to how reasonable the puzzle is given the context and setting. Who knows why? If more puzzles were made that would fulfill the dual-purpose of being believable as well as challenging then I wouldn't have as much problem with them.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Your favorite video game company in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #8
[quote=Real Ultimate Designing
For consoles, Square. Not Square-Enix, but Square.[/quote]Xenogears remains my favorite Squaresoft game.

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For PC, that's a no-brainer: Black Isle.[/quote]Amen. Planescape Torment was the best RPG ever made, IMHO.
Obsidian Entertainment is one to watch out for..

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Your favorite video game company in General
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #1
For video games, SEGA all the way. The Genesis had many more PC-style RPGs as compared to the SNES. The Genesis also was less politically correct and as a result had more mature games overall.

Modern consoles have unfortunately followed the SNES example of dishing out mostly FF clones.

The PC remains my platform of choice, by far.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Nethergate News in Nethergate
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #61
Riddles/Puzzles only really belong in adventure games or board games anyway, not in RPGs.

It is much more believable that an archmage would have powerful wards, traps and/or competent guardians to protect his possessions instead of relying on some silly floor puzzle or guessing game.

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Lancer
Posts: 73 | Registered: Friday, January 13 2006 08:00
Nethergate News in Nethergate
Warrior
Member # 6682
Profile #58
I am just hoping that Jeff fixes that Windows XP taskbar issue in the reworked version.

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Lancer
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