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How odd. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Originally by Sarasaphilia:

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Diki, look at your character's stats. Then, type in "skill points." Minus the quotation marks and period. Everything should increase by one.
Still nothing. No experience, no skill points, no stat points, no messages, nothing.

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What's your favorite board game? in General
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Stratego. Or Scrabble, but only when everyone is manipulating the rules instead of playing by them.

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How odd. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Originally by Sarasaphilia:

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I know all of those except the iampoor and iamweak ones. Those are both new and self-damaging, I assume.
The first one gives you some money. The second one gives you some experience. They're good, just not all that thrilling.

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Try typing in "skill points" into the What do you Want window. Then, look at your stats.
Dikiyoba got... nothing.
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Sixus in A2 in The Avernum Trilogy
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He has two hiding places. You should be able to get into the trapped tower full of Empire soldiers without problems (I think), but you can't get into the second hiding place without speaking to the mayor of Almaria and then the living statue in the trapped tower.

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One spammy post closer to frolicking in General
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For Dikiyoba:

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Exile or Avernum in General
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Originally by McDeath:

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I'm new to all this so which is the Oldest to Newest game?
Exile, Nethergate, Avernum, Geneforge

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How do they differ?
Download a few demos and find out.

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Are they set in the same world?
Avernum is a remake of Exile, but other than that all the games are very different.

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What's the difference between Avernum and Blades of Avernum?
Exile/Avernum are full-length games. Blades of Exile and Blades of Avernum allow you to make your own scenarios, so it's like a bunch of shorter games.

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Is there crafting in any of these games like certain MORPGs out there?
G2, G3, A4, and G4 have a crafting system of sorts.

Dikiyoba.

Edit: Fixed quote.

[ Tuesday, April 10, 2007 16:42: Message edited by: Dikiyoba ]
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Ideologies of Geneforge (4) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Originally by Lord Safey:

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Adimtly the shapers might have another rebellion to deal with in a few centuries.
My original point was, if the Shapers provoke another rebellion for the exact same reason as this one started, then they haven't learned anything. All they've done is repeat the exact same mistake over again, only worse than before.

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First off for a war to be big (like you mention) both sides have to be strong enough to be a significant threat. True the shapers will have more dangerous creations. However I doubt a new rebellion could get those shapeing abilities whole sale. This rebellion was pratically given shapeing abilitys by the shapers. Giveing drakons the ability to shape was the biggest mistake ever.
Right. No matter how hard the Shapers try, they are eventually going to slip up. And when they do, all of the people and intelligent creations they've oppressed over the years will take full advantage of that. Look how many and how quickly people jumped sides from Shaper to rebel when the option opened up. There were plenty of humans in the Awakened and Barzites of G2.

And even if the next rebellion is small, there will have been hundreds if not thousands of deaths of people and intelligent creations like the serviles Litalia had to kill, anyone who attempted to learn Shaping, anyone who ended up in a Barred location, anyone who questioned the Shapers laws too deeply, any Trakovite, and any drayk, gazer, etc. that the Shapers came across during the centuries of "peace". Is that the sort of society you want to live in?

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Sarasaphilia... in General
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Originally by Sarasaphilia:

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We spar verbally, and occasionally try to embarass each other.
That's what phone calls, e-mail, instant messaging, and privates messages are for.

Dikiyoba never wants to see a thread title that is just a Spiderwebber's name ever again.
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A survey that isn't a poll in General
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1. If Spidweb closed these forums, what would you do?
Stick around at the satellites and move on with my life.

2. If you could be any creature from a Spidweb game, what would you be?
Fyora/cryoa

3. Who would you like to see as a moderator?
It looks good as it currently is.

4. If you had to change your user name, what would you change it to?
Dikiyoba.

5. What's your favorite spell?
Repel spirit, A1-BoA version

6. What city in the Avernum series would you want to rule?
Formello

7. How old are you?
Older than GoldenKing but younger than Salmon.

8. What country would you like to live in besides the one you're in already
I'm fine living here as well.

9. Your favorite Spidweb game is...
Avernum 2

10. Am I annoying?
Everyone is annoying at times. Some people are just more annoying than others.

Dikiyoba.
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Congratulations, Dolphin. And don't think you can leave now that you have 2000 posts. :P

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Why there? *warning: displays secret of G1* in Geneforge Series
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Originally by Retlaw May:

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I'm just saying that you are making assumptions based off of shaky inferences and that you shouldn't use them in a "manner-of-fact" way.
No, I don't know much about the ancient societies. No one does. Good information does not exist, so there is only scant evidence and shaky inferences to go off of. But since that's the only thing I have to understand and debate the northwestern corner of Sucia Island with, it's what I will use. At least I have something tangible to draw conclusions from.

Are my biases altering how I see the evidence? Yes, but I have seen no evidence to contradict my view that the Shapers spread partially by war and violence, starting from their earliest days. But by all means, provide some actual evidence that the Shapers spread peacefully whenever they could. I am okay with being proved wrong.

Anyway, after all that, Dikiyoba found another quote. This comes from the ghost in the temple of the Spirit City: "We tried to form an empire against the savages around us, starting here. But the random way we attacked changed things. Created horrible creatures, stronger than what we attacked. Made diseases."

[ Tuesday, April 10, 2007 08:04: Message edited by: Dikiyoba ]
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Ideologies of Geneforge (4) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Originally by Retlaw May:

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Dikiyoba, how can you condemn someone for pointing out that the next Rebellion was never pointed out in size, and then go on asuming that it is big?
Because I attempted to give some reasons for why it will be big.

1. Those who can shape are getting better and better at it. As they get better, they can create a larger number of creations easier and make bigger, stronger creations. More creations and better creations means more people will get killed in future rebellions, unless both sides launch very specific, controlled attacks. We did not see either side caring too much about entire zones being blocked by mines, pylons, or unwatched creations in this game, so there is no reason to assume they will do so later.

2. The Shapers are so entrenched in their ways that they are ruthless to anyone who opposes them (even moreso after the rebellion). The only way to win victories against them is to be ruthless back. Spawners, Unbound, machinery, anything that creates a large number of creations to destroy everything in sight--they work. The human side of the rebellion, using more conventional tatics, was destroyed. The surviving rebels consider that army weak.

As Pirik says, Illya was lost "Through the brute force and brutality of the Shapers, and the softness of the humans." Pirik says the last word as if it puts a foul taste in her mouth. "The rebellion in the south was always mostly humans. They lack the strength of the creations, of the drayks and drakons. And the courage. Their army was routed and destroyed outside the ruins of Thornton, to the north."

Releasing powerful, mad rogues seems to work pretty well as a battle tactic, while "fighting fair" doesn't. The Shapers will spend the next several centuries putting down minor uprisings that don't go anywhere and then a group with the power and without the moral considerations (or with "higher" moral considerations) will start another continent-spanning rebellion.

Dikiyoba.
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To Destroy The Foe in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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*Dikiyoba sends in an ordinary townsperson to flip switch repeatedly.*
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Ideologies of Geneforge (4) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Originally by Lord Safey:

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You have nothing to prove that the next rebellion will be anywhere near as effective.
And you have no evidence that it won't. I do know, however, that war tralls can kill more people than thahds, and that whatever comes next will be able to kill more people than war tralls.

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Name me a nation/goverment/orgination that makes everyone happy.
There aren't any. But other nations/governments/organizations have ways for unhappy people to express their complaints and have something done about them besides taking up arms than the Shapers' current regime, let alone the Shaper society in the Shaper ending.

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The drakons as a soceity had no qualms at creating the unbound. Their orginal super weapon was the geneforge. That apparntly wasn't enough for them. They got their super weapons and they still want more.
Why do they do that? Why does the rest of the rebellion let them get away with that? Because it works. Without them, the rebellion would have been crushed. Since the Shapers continued to be stricter and more controlling, the next major rebellion will feature people and/or creations exactly like that or worse because it's the only way they can make progress.

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Shapers as indiviuals are strongly opposed to accepting you. Lots of them can't stand you and their are some who don't attack you based on orders alone.
So? There are plenty of rebels who still fight for creation rights and greater freedom. But because of the drakons, you've dismissed the entire rebellion. Enough Shapers have decided to accept the servile PC that Shapers as a whole have accepted an independent creation.

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You seem to have the mistaken impresion the rebellion brings freedom.
The rebellion at least has freedom as a goal. The humans, serviles, and drayks are doing a fairly good job of sticking to that, too. The drakons were doing an okay job of that as well until a few months before the PC arrived, when the drakons realized how badly they were losing. The Shapers (except for a few exiles) don't care about anything besides themselves and their ways. Ever.

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Yet another senseless poll in General
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Originally by Shard of Fire:

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but I'm still working out what "cool" means.
It means you need a jacket but not a coat when you go outside. :P

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Yet another senseless poll in General
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No, no, no, and... no?

Yeah, Dikiyoba thinks that sounds about right.
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Names for Creations in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Originally by Randomizer:

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I had a party with a servile named Smeagol and his fyora named Precious (see Lord of the Rings if you don't get the reference).
Heh. Reminds me of the time in G1 where I renamed my Shaper to Frodo, my fyora to Sam, and my roamer to Gollum when I reached the Geneforge and debated whether to use it or destroy it.

So far, Dikiyoba has named a fyora Firestorm/Fyrestorm, a cryoa Icestorm/Blyzzard, a roamer Foamy, and a lousy drayk Squib (the dud firework definition, not the Harry Potter one).
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Why there? *warning: displays secret of G1* in Geneforge Series
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But if (as he does) believe that the ancient Shapers are truly evil, he has no reason to misrepresent his case. He has no qualms about attacking the PC for being a Shaper, after all.

And the quote is not "led the fight against them". It's "led the fight back". There is a difference. The first implies that his culture started it. The second implies that the ancient Shapers did. The second quote is what is in the game.

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Why there? *warning: displays secret of G1* in Geneforge Series
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Originally by Salmon:

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Why not just accept what Jeff actually wrote into the game descriptions
How about a quote or two?

Originally by Nalyd:

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Also, who's to say that the Shapers started the war on Sucia(The only one we have direct evidence of)?
Heustess says: "They [the Shapers] used this power to change those who opposed them... My people were fought by them, and their war mages changed our soldiers... And I led the fight back."

The phrases in italics would be very strange phrases to use if Heustess's people had started the war.

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What evidence is there that there was violence due to the spread of Shaping?
Dikiyoba already quoted a bit from Khyryk in this thread. "The Shapers absorbed or defeated them." So there was some peaceful assimilation. And there were some wars.
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Spiderweb: The Motion Picture in General
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Originally by Sarasaphilia:

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You did get the wrong picture, however. In terms of gender.
If you will reread Slartucker's previous post, you will see that was quite intentional.

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Ideologies of Geneforge (4) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Of course, but you also have to consider what the next rebellion will look like. Unfortunately, we don't have a lot to go on, but here's what I think.

This rebellion devastated half a continent, killed or displaced probably thousands of people, and had the potential to unleash a superweapon that could completely destroy the other half of the continent and kill and displace thousands more people with ease. As the Shapers get more controlling, only harsher methods will work to overthrow them. As the Shapers get more shaping skill, even more deadly creations will be used in war. When the Shapers lose control next, the resulting rebellion will be worse than this one was.

But if the Shapers weren't so arrogant and controlling, the next rebellion wouldn't be as bad. How many humans would actually take up arms against the Shapers if the Shapers listened and responded to their complaints instead? How many serviles and drayks would choose to fight the Shapers if they could coexist peacefully with them? Not nearly so many, and the rebellion would be much smaller and less devastating.

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Happy Easter in General
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Originally by Excalibur:

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Unfortunately, every Christian holiday is made pagan somehow. I try to tell people that, but brainwashing has taken an effect on them.
Don't you think commercialization and materialization are somewhat more pressing concerns?

Hmm. Suddenly, Dikiyoba is okay with the socks. They can either be worn or dropped off at Goodwill.
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Spiderweb: The Motion Picture in General
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Dikiyoba doesn't know enough about actors and actresses to truly understand the exact reasoning behind most of them, but it's hilarious. Good to see lots of newer faces, too.
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Ideologies of Geneforge (4) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Originally by Lord Safey:

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could you show the spcefic text, I lost my file with the shaper ending.
Yes. But first let Dikiyoba point out how hypocritical it is to accuse others of blowing you off when you didn't even check to make sure you had your facts right.

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Ideologies of Geneforge (4) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Originally by Lord Safey:

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keep in mind that the shapers where intially loseing the war. Mabey not as bad as they do when the unbound where released but it wasn't a pinic. They still held to their values.
And yet they are willing to let the Geneforge-altered, canister-using, independent-minded servile PC live and even give him a position of power after the war (provided you go for the Shaper ending, of course). The Shapers don't believe in self-shaping or independent creations, so allowing the servile PC to live is not holding to their values. And that's while the Shapers were winning.

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Another thing is I pointed out the ending where shapers learn from their mistakes and you blow it off(one of my points). You point out that shapers throw of their values if they get desperate enough by point out the rebel ending. If you blow of my point why shouldn't I blow off yours.
Huh?

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Do the rebels go back to their ideals when they start winning?
The humans, serviles, and drayks never betrayed their ideals. Only the drakons did. And during the stalemate of the Trakovite ending, the drakons do back down against the pressure from the rest of the rebellion.

Dikiyoba.

Edit: Typo.

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