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A Light in the Dark in Avernum 4
Shaper
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Profile #2
I feel the removal of the need for light was a mistake unlike some of the other streamlining in A4. The creepiness of being in a dark cave or having your light snuff out is good atmospheric effect. A4 has less creep-out factor and atmosphere because of no truly dark places.More convenient? Yeah. Better gaming experience? I don't think so.

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Gremlin Whine in Avernum 4
Shaper
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Profile #0
Has anyone who's been through the Eastern Gallery found anything else to do with the lonely gremlin left over from A1's gremlin grove other than to find an excuse to do him the favor of killing him and taking his loot?

EDIT: (Getting my Averna straight)

[ Friday, December 16, 2005 18:41: Message edited by: Synergy ]

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Athron's lair key in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #9
Yeah, you got me there, the lair was a very uninspired design aesthetically. I seem to recall saying, "That's it?" after the first time I went in, and I even somehow missed picking up that shroud my first game too. Wasn't Athron's Lair the place we faced those nasty living statues in a previous Avernum?

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This thread is a spoiler. in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #10
We are amused. The second I posted my reply, both mine and yours appeared in sequence together.

Split-second timing. Seems to be catching 'round here lately.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
should i? in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #1
Did you enjoy the demo? -Buy it.
Did you not enjoy the demo? -Don't buy it.

Can we close this topic now?

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Numbers in General
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #58
Gizmo! Where ya been hidin'?

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This thread is a spoiler. in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #8
TM, you missed something integral in Erika's Ruins south of the final showdown areas.

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Athron's lair key in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #7
quote:
Originally written by *i:

You need to kill the Metris Undead first that way he believes you to be worthy of the task. What's inside is pretty disappointing to say the least.
Are you kidding? What is inside is something you will use the entire rest of the game.

I was wondering in retrospect if the Mertis undead figured into acquiring that key. I typically took care of the undead early on, so didn't link it to Sleater's offering of the key, but it makes sense since he is the one with the secret to fighting the undead in the first place.

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No tool ? in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #18
Mimi, are you from Beauxbaton? Will you go with me to the Yule Ball?

Don't worry, traveling long distances becomes much easier a bit later in the game (but not in the demo).

Oh, and it is good to start a game with 7-8 Tool Use for one of your characters, and bring it up to level 15 fairly soon into the game. This way, you will be able to get past all the traps you come to and open all the doors and boxes without having to go back later.

Sacre Bleu, Mon Dieu, et Finis

[ Friday, December 16, 2005 00:48: Message edited by: Synergy67 ]

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Athron's lair key in Avernum 4
Shaper
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Profile #3
Jinx.

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walkthrough in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #14
Don't worry, Jeff will shortly be releasing his second book, "Avernum Four: The Novel" in a first printing of one copy, so be sure to order yours early.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Athron's lair key in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #1
I predict this question makes top three most asked questions on quests for A4

To enter the lair of Athron, the Departed:

Talk to Sleater, who is camped out near the entrance to the lair. Go inside and kill the drake guarding the door. Go back to Sleator and run though dialog with him till he offers you a key to get in.

Go back and go in and get ready...

[ Thursday, December 15, 2005 23:34: Message edited by: Synergy67 ]

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Cheats ? in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #22
I like the nice lady by Formello who as reward for delivering to her a letter gives you some of the standard stuff.

And an apple.

I can't help it, but that was just, er, cute.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Cheats ? in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #19
I don't think these are supposed to be a secret. I mean, if you bought the previous Avernums, you got a working Character Editor. We have cheat codes for A4 instead. Here they are. Are they not listed with the new download version?

Hold the shift key down and type 'd', the cheat box comes up.
Enter the phrases below and hit return to get the given effect.

ouchouchouch – Heals and cures your group.
imdrained - Recharge your spell energy.
leetbuffz – Gives each of your characters multiple blessings.
owmybrains – Cures any character that is frozen or suffering from a mental effect.
backtostart – Returns you to Fort Monastery. Very useful if you get stuck.
pleaselikeme - Makes all of the areas in the game forget your crimes. If you were hated there, you won’t be anymore. Note that certain crimes (stealing artifacts, killing major characters) won’t be forgotten.
iwanttobestronger - Gives you some experience.
giveasnack - Gives your main character some cake.
showmeall - Make all characters (even ones you can’t see) appear on your automap.
dontshowmeall - Stop making all characters appear on your automap.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
walkthrough in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #8
You know, A4 doesn't really seem to be begging for a walkthrough like previous games to my thinking. The biggest reason for this is that with no more hidden secrets, the challenge of the game is not on unknowns so much as on finding ways to deal with what is known.

I found all the quests straightforward enough to solve on my own, the only exception being a quest in which I had missed a body on which was some key information enabling a quest. If you look in things and check out things wherever you go, it should be straightforward.

This from a guy who does not hesistate to consult online game FAQs when his patience wears thin on illogically-constructed puzzles and challenges. I don't enjoy wracking my brain just because it can be done.

Someone will write a walkthrough sooner or later. I could nearly write one from memory at this point.

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A4 Hidden Skills [SPOILERS] in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #20
Note also that you will get free bonus level ups to your Mage or Priest skills with Natural Mage and Pure Spirit respectively, as well as two free Priest spell levels to begin with for Pure Spirit. These also may not count towards Magery.

The same is true for my nephil archer to whom I am trying to make trainable in Sharpshooter. He begins with Sharpshooter (because I gave him Deadeye) and free Dexterity bonuses, so I am at more than 6 Dexterity and 8 Bows with him, but he is still not trainable with Sharpshooter.

You may have to pay attention to how many "free" levels of the relevant skill you start with and gain along the way to figure out how many more levels you have to add yourself to get a special skill. It would be nice to somehow see how much added level a PC has in addition to its total for this reason.

[ Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:13: Message edited by: Synergy67 ]

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I have returned! in General
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #4
Maybe you should cut back on the skribbane.

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First Impressions in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #26
quote:
Originally written by midgetdeathtrain:

wow! my head was completely misplaced. sorry for posting that spoiler. i wasnt thinking.

MidgetDT...Why don't you edit that spoiler out? The longer you leave it there, the more people are going to see it whether they intend to or not. You don't want to be responsible for that kind of wrath directed at you, do you?

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
So What Makes a Torment Capable Party? in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #16
The Eastern Gallery is where "Torment" really begins to live up to its name. In fact, I haven't seen a post from anyone who got past it on Torment yet.

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Are there secret passages? in Avernum 4
Shaper
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Profile #19
This post inserted to fix the active topic page layout.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Editor avaliable in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #2
Hmmm, I haven't even talked to the cook yet, in this new actual game, but if I leave the modified file in my game, the following happens:

I get 2000 gold for a bar of iron when I give it to Dawdy instead of 20 gold.

The bar of iron doesn't go away from my inventory no matter how many times I give it to him.

Out goes the file unless I'm testing something.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Some Simple Suggestions for not Sucking at A4 in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #44
You might make that a bit more cryptic, Vlish. That kind of one-liner will read as an immediate spoiler in the "active threads" header, and I think we should keep spoilers in Kel's thread or the Skills thread.

But I have a very hard time imagining a singleton enduring many fights. Yet, some whacked die-hard will find some painful way to pull it off.

[ Tuesday, December 13, 2005 19:04: Message edited by: Synergy67 ]

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Some Simple Suggestions for not Sucking at A4 in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #41
Someone will attempt and eventually succeed at being a singleton, I expect.

I think what will happen is this: you will level up thrillingly fast until level 8 or so. By level ten, around Fort Draco, you are getting 0 or 1 point per kill (this is how far I took a singleton game). Completing quests still gives you unknown amounts of XP which your singleton will gobble up.

At some point, you will be behind the level up curve for a normal party and will again begin to get decent points per kill. But I believe that by that point, you will be far too behind in skills to match the strength of your foes and will have a very hard time killing anything. I am looking forward to hearing how it goes. I know I don't presently have the patience or masochistic tendencies to follow through with it myself.

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A4 Hidden Skills [SPOILERS] in Avernum 4
Shaper
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Profile #16
Define "nothing." I always imagined they connected to the other partially caved-in area upstairs with the gated off area where you can see a book lying on the floor out of reach. Were there rooms or passages past the doors at all? I'm thinking they may have been for something Jeff never got around to employing, along with that door in the Castle barracks.

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A4 Hidden Skills [SPOILERS] in Avernum 4
Shaper
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Profile #13
Because of the diligent efforts of Ephesos last night with his mighty rogue, we know that behind Door #28 lies......

....

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120 coins
1 invulnerability potion
1 Mass Haste scroll
and 6 Fine Razordisks

Talk about anti-climactic.

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