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Significant spell upgrade bug in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Wednesday, December 21 2005 08:41 Profile #1
That is not a bug.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Archery; and races in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Tuesday, December 20 2005 14:51 Profile #18
quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

Also, you'll be glad to have some archery when everything starts riposting in your face.
Yeah! Or squirts hot goo. Or farts out an odd smell and charms your fighter.

Bah.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Archery; and races in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Tuesday, December 20 2005 14:44 Profile #16
quote:
Originally written by Deaf- Will work for MP3s:

I'm not convinced that archery rocks to the degree advertised. My nephil (specializing in archery & tool use) does a bit over 20 dmg with arrows to enemies my slith fighter does 40+ dmg to.

Of course, I'm still under lvl 7, and the slith has a iron spear whereas the nephil has a yew bow.
Sharpshooter and dexterity is what makes archery rock. It's more important to pump Sharpshooter and dexterity than it is to pump the bow skill.

My nephil has a the longbow you can buy in Formello from Oliver and he does on average 50 to 65 damage with the 5 to 15 damage bow. When blessed, this number boosts considerably.

The trick is getting your archer to at least 2 attacks a round most of the time. There is no need to rush forward and engage the enemy in toe to toe like your front line fighter... An archer can just start dishing out the pain in the first round, and this can end a battle before it starts. Two well placed shots can take an enemy mage to critical status, which allows the front line fighter which has rushed forward to take them out on the next round.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Archery; and races in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Tuesday, December 20 2005 13:28 Profile #12
Still a crap shoot, but is more reliable than in previous Avernum games.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
Archery; and races in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Tuesday, December 20 2005 13:13 Profile #9
quote:
Originally written by Slartucker:

There's a skill that gives you extre action points? Yow. Yes, that -does- sound useful...
Yes. Look in the Hidden Skills thread for more details. With Fast on Feet, two attacks per round. Makes for a NASTY archer.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Archery; and races in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Tuesday, December 20 2005 12:54 Profile #6
Quick action, quick strike, I had a brain fart.

The one that gives you extra action points in a round.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
Archery; and races in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Tuesday, December 20 2005 12:39 Profile #1
I can't see any problem with an all kitty party.

Except there are only two Nephil graphics.

Archery is even better on Torment because it allows you to conserve much needed spell points for entrenched battles. A mage or a priest can fire a few pot shots, maybe make a kill, and get some good returns from first aid.

You are going to want some melee skill though. If only to get quick action.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Demonslayer in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Tuesday, December 20 2005 10:37 Profile #6
Demonslayer isn't a bad sword... It is a lot better than how it was for A3.

Defensively, it is still an exceptional weapon. Pair it up with some Gazerskin sandles and some boosted luck, and you have one very hardy warrior.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Bragg & Kelda in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Tuesday, December 20 2005 10:34 Profile #1
Does it go somewhere for you?

I ask, because after all, this is an RPG.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Demonslayer in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Tuesday, December 20 2005 08:54 Profile #3
This may sound silly, but in one of my games, Demonslayer wound up on my priest. The resists and such. He even poked a couple of things with it.

Though it is somehow fitting that a priest hold the mighty Demonslayer.

Oh. And on a personal note, I am still more than a little miffed that Demonslayer is nothing more than a common butterknife broadsword now, instead of the fabled two handed cleaver it has always been. I thought about firing off an angry email to Jeff during the beta, but decided that complaining would do me no good.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
Is this game nothing but combat? in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Tuesday, December 20 2005 08:23 Profile #35
Bugger. I was always, and I do mean always, broke. There was always something to save up and pay for. Training. Spells. Equipment. Something. Anything.

It both pissed me off and kept me satisfied. On one hand, there is always something to work for and get, and on the other hand, you are always trying to scrounge a few coins, and being big famous adventurers, you should never be broke.

Bother.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
Demonslayer in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Tuesday, December 20 2005 08:18 Profile #1
It's a very good defensive weapon.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
Almaria warning(possible spoilers)... in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Monday, December 19 2005 21:44 Profile #4
Hrickis... I know of a BAD bug with Hrickis, involving somehow waking him up as you enter, and he starts shooting through the walls.

I told Jeff about it.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
So What Makes a Torment Capable Party? in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Monday, December 19 2005 21:06 Profile #40
quote:
Originally written by Synergy:

Will someone comment some more on how much Luck they think is worthwhile for what sort of PC's? I always give my PC's one Luck to start with, but rarely wind up giving them more than 2-3 Luck by the end of the game, as something else always seems more pressing. But maybe more luck for the meat shield up front would be worthwhile, as already discussed recently, and leaving him with the Clover Boots for this reason.
Those absurd little boots are quite possibly the most powerful item in this game... But they are far to subtle for a majority of players to appreciate.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
How I rank A4 and why in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Monday, December 19 2005 20:49 Profile #42
I begged Jeff to fix thrown weapons... So that after you throw them you might find a few here and there on the ground after a battle, like you would in previous games. I never got an answer.

I must say, I was slightly bummed out after that. Scrounging missiles appealed to my nature for some reason.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
So What Makes a Torment Capable Party? in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Monday, December 19 2005 20:47 Profile #38
I use thrown missiles.

Nephils, in particular, gain enough free levels in thrown weapons that if you have a spare stack of razordisks or lances, you can swap them in and throw them.

And I have made more than one Slith Lancer... Specialising in both melee and thrown spears. Fun, strictly from a roleplaying sense, and not a munchkin red wizard gaming sense.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
Alchemy in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Monday, December 19 2005 20:35 Profile #8
Argh, if you actually played the game, you would know.

These posts need to stop. You are becoming annoying.

Prepare for a tentacle lashing if you continue.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
So What Makes a Torment Capable Party? in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Monday, December 19 2005 18:48 Profile #36
Well, you could give Divinely Touched to your casters, along with Pure Spirit and Natural Mage. And you could roleplay them as twins... ;)

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
Alchemy in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Monday, December 19 2005 18:36 Profile #3
Play on a higher difficulty. You will cast spells more often, and after just a midsized battle, you can be completely drained.

On normal it is still possible to run out of spell energy.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
should i? in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Monday, December 19 2005 18:28 Profile #6
Consider this a mercy killing. This topic serves no useful purpose and is merely an attention seeking plea.

**Bang**

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
So What Makes a Torment Capable Party? in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Monday, December 19 2005 18:08 Profile #34
Oh no, gymnastics for the front line guy only.

See, what usually happens is, something stays alive just long enough to kill somebody. Usually my front line fighter. Things like the bugs, which ripost and parry themselves. Gymnastics is making the frontliner very, very difficult to hit. Nothing, and I mean nothing seems to be able to kill him so far. Mostly because everything has trouble hitting him.

And it's funny that he keeps dying. Something must be wrong, because in my games, he's usually the last one to die. ;)

I am going to be facing the undead soon, and I might try out the Ogre Battle to see how that goes, because that is a good test to see if something works.

Parry is nice... No doubt. It is better however, to simply not be there at all. I really don't know why I didn't think of this before, as it seems so obvious now.

And I would also say it's balanced. Gymnastics doesn't allow you to kill anything faster, it just gives you considerable staying power which allows your team mates to blow something apart in relative safety, at a distance.

Also, it allows you to always go first in battle. Which is nice, because it allows you to rush forward and get some control of the battlefield.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
So What Makes a Torment Capable Party? in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Monday, December 19 2005 17:45 Profile #32
I believe that the trick to surviving Torment is going to be quite simple actually.

Gymnastics.

Sorry I have been gone for a while. Severe ice storm.

Before power and internet went buh bye, I discovered something really very interesting. I made it all the way in to the Eastern Gallery with some new builds, and, going on a hunch that it is best to not be hit at all, I started pumping gymnastics from the start.

Staying power. Gymnastics equals staying power.

What I have noticed is, enemies, for now, can't seem to hit me. Most of the bugs had like a 10% to 20% chance to hit. Archers, hated archers, most of them in the bandit areas were rolling 1% to hit. Even mages with spells, like Skunky Joe, had a hard time frying my Slith simply because his spells had such a low chance to hit.

I do not know if this will sour later, but for now, having pumped gymnastics and a decent level of parry has made my front line fighter practically impervious. I even had him running around with no armor for a while. Just naked. He is capable of going toe to toe with pretty much anything and everything in the Eastern Gallery on Torment... Which is a big deal for me because of all previous failures.

I believe I have found the means to survive Torment.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
walkthrough in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Monday, December 19 2005 17:37 Profile #37
Of course, making a walkthrough requires that you actually play the game, have skill, concepts of strategy, and the ability to write in such a fashion that people would be willing to read it.

So far, you have shown none of these qualities.

I would venture a guess that your walkthrough will be little more than plagiarised information taken from these boards from the players that do the real work with no credit to them, and none of the assistance of a spell checker to boot.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
So What Makes a Torment Capable Party? in Avernum 4
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Wednesday, December 14 2005 20:05 Profile #19
And you have played the game on Torment? How far? Or did you just stumble in to this thread to inject generic party ideas?

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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