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What a long strange trip... in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Thursday, March 29 2007 10:57 Profile Homepage #53
No island is a man.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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What a long strange trip... in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Wednesday, March 28 2007 11:54 Profile Homepage #40
quote:
Originally written by Dr. Johann Georg Faust:

quote:
Originally written by M.:

Awww, Ash is in love. I'm glad she makes you happy. She sounds like a pretty lucky lady.
Aw, you'll get over it soon. :)
If you're referring to me, I hope not. It's entirely too much fun. :P

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Now is the time ... in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Tuesday, March 27 2007 01:29 Profile Homepage #4
Living in Canberra, I've gotten a few insights into the political process (a good friend of mine is the Deputy Leader of the Opposition in the ACT), and I gotta say it stinks. Trying to construct a better one is a tough job, though, because by the nature of politics any system WILL be abused, frequently, by very many different people. I've toyed with some ideas of systems that may be improvements, but not rigourously thought them through, so they'd probably end up even worse.

That said, I'm fairly confident that mandatory voting should be scrapped here.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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What a long strange trip... in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Tuesday, March 27 2007 01:11 Profile Homepage #21
quote:
Originally written by Milla:

...my dad remarried and didn't tell any of us...
Holy crap. That's messed up.

Well, I gave a brief assessment in the other thread. Here's the long version.

I got into BoE shortly before leaving our Queensland property and moving to South Australia in 2000. I forget if I was on the boards at that stage. But in South Australia, I definitely was.

In between designing scenarios and posting a little, I milked cows for a bit, got sick of that and went to school instead (I had been homeschooled up to that point), and then got sick of that and went back to milking on the basis that if I was going to do something I hated I might as well make it something I'd get paid for. I did that for a few years. Made a fair bit of cash for a kid.

Then, my parents finished up with the dairy, and I got a job working in a stone quarry for five months. After that point, it suddenly occurred to me that there were no long term career prospects for me there on one hand, and there was no short term need for me to do it on the other hand, since I did have a fair amount of money. So I quit, with the intention of having a shot at amateur film making.

That didn't go so well. So I ended up not really doing much for a bit. Then after a while I started volunteering at the local Christian radio station (at the time I didn't even really listen to it, preferring the manufactured sounds of top 40 radio, but the commercial station wouldn't have let me on air :P ). I liked talking, and I liked listening to music, and I didn't have too much of an aversion to Christianity, so it seemed like fun.

Then the station, like so many small stations, got completely gutted with internal politics and garbage. Many people resigned, and I ended up taking responsibility for more stuff. After a while, realising I was spending far too much time there for a volunteer, I asked for a small wage so I wouldn't have to cut back on my commitment. I got it. My Dad had thought this whole radio lark wouldn't amount to much, so it was a lot of fun waving my first paycheck in his face. :)

It was only 5 weeks after that that I was offered my second radio job, at a Christian radio station in Canberra. People had heard about me, good things apparently. After some consideration, I took it.

And so, at the age of 19, I bought a car to go for a long drive to a new city, much bigger than any I'd previously lived in, where I knew only a couple of people, and not come back. The move also prompted me to seperate from "The Creator" and adopt this moniker (for the newbies: long story).

Moving out of home is a very interesting experience, and one I quite highly recommend to anyone who hasn't tried it yet. I went through a period of self-discovery in a sense. I had spent my life in a large family, and to suddenly be alone with absolutely no one to have any opinion at all on anything I did or said, I suddenly found that certain parts of my "personality" were reactions to my situation. Once the situation changed, they did too. I got to understand myself better, and dropped a few attitudes once I realised that I'd simply adopted them to be "rebellious" (I was a pretty good kid anyway, thus the quotation marks). Basically, I did a lot of growing up.

The job's going really well, too. I've learned a lot of skills, made a lot of contacts, developed management and leadership abilities, made money, and made lots and lots of great friends. It's also been great to help the place become a lot more successful. I take pride in my work.

Then I met this really sweet girl. We got along well and talked a lot. We got closer and shared a lot of personal secrets and talked more. We became best friends and talked even more. And then a while back while visiting family, I found myself missing her terribly and realised how attached I'd become to her, and I asked her to be my girlfriend. Thankfully, she agreed. :)

I've fallen even more deeply in love with her since then, and even though it's still comparatively early in our relationship, I really do think she's the girl I've been waiting for. We have an amazingly good relationship with absolute trust and honesty. She knows me better than anyone and loves me anyway. It's really sweet. She's my first girlfriend and I genuinely hope she's my only one. We're going on a holiday together in July, and I'm actually considering proposing to her during it.

Forgive the gushing. I'm just a romantic young man in love. :)

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Where You At Now? in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Monday, March 26 2007 02:21 Profile Homepage #73
quote:
Originally written by Student of Trinity:

quote:
Originally written by saunders:

...
Worked, married, had 3 children, worked
PhD in mathematics education
Worked
Stopped working to cope with high maintenance family.
Please ignore the question if you don't want to talk about it, but how do you feel about that last item? My wife and I are both still working, and our daughter is very low maintenance as five year olds go, but that's not really all that low, and our careers are rather high maintenance. I don't think we're really thinking of changing anything soon, but we're definitely thinking about the issues.
Young and unmarried, but also very interested in this.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
Member numbers in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Monday, March 26 2007 02:07 Profile Homepage #34
quote:
Originally written by Zeviz:

[QB]Going back to original topic, it's strange to think of all the changes that happened in my life since I've registered here. Ironically, this board looks like one of the very few stable constants.[QB]
Amen to this. I'm now living in my fourth state since I joined the boards. I've aged 7 years, started school, quit school, had 4 different jobs, 2 cars...

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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To players of Avernum/Geneforge series in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Saturday, March 24 2007 19:06 Profile Homepage #12
quote:
Originally written by Arch-Mage Solberg:

quote:
Originally written by 227 Chitrachballons:

That's your opinion, but there are plenty of people here who disagree.
So you and those 'plenty of people' would rather play Exile than Avernum. :confused: Please. About 40% of the regular people here have probably never even played Exile, :( let alone would choose it over Avernum.

As I said before, I still like and play Exile to this day, :D but let's be real. Most of the people who like/love Exile are still gonna choose Avernum because of the things listed above. Now tell me that's a lie! :cool:
That's a lie. :cool:

Exile kicks Avernum's scrawny isometric butt.

[ Saturday, March 24, 2007 19:06: Message edited by: Ash Lael ]

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Boo! in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Saturday, March 24 2007 17:56 Profile Homepage #27
Alcritas doesn't like and will not design for BoA, for reference.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Boo! in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Saturday, March 24 2007 12:40 Profile Homepage #24
Hey Al! how's it going? Making scary huge lawyer money yet? :D

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Where You At Now? in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Tuesday, March 20 2007 01:11 Profile Homepage #45
Two and a bit years into my current job, and starting to think about possible career moves - not because I'm unhappy where I am, I like the job, I like the people, and I get regular large pay rises. But I just don't want to stagnate careerwise, so I'm looking at other options. Decent amount of cash saved up. Considering proposing to my girlfriend.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Nalyd: in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Wednesday, March 14 2007 16:56 Profile Homepage #20
quote:
Originally written by Actaeon:

While your in the mood, I volunteer myself for critism. I enjoy honesty, even when brutal. Although, I may not have even made enough of an impression here for a succesful attack. A challenge, then. Have at it.
1. You mispelled two words in that short post. You're stupid.

2. You ask to be insulted purely so you won't feel ignored. You're an attention whore.

3. I have no freaking idea who you are apart from that post. You're irrelevant.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Nalyd: in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Wednesday, March 14 2007 15:30 Profile Homepage #15
Sarasphilia, or whatever the hell your name is, I think it is only fair to inform you of a few important facts that seem to have escaped your attention.

First of all, everyone here hates you. Everyone.

Second of all, you deserve it. You are an annoying newbie, just like the hundreds that have come and been shouted away before. You've even made a stupid satellite forum that is doomed to rot in squalor, like dozens of failed satellites before. You're a moron, and you talk too much, and we are all sick of you and can't wait till you realise that we all resent your presence here and leave.

In fact, do everybody a favour and leave right now. Go do something productive with your time. Like eating rat poison. I'd appreciate that.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Survey this way! in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Tuesday, March 13 2007 23:25 Profile Homepage #18
quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

My innermost desire is:
I Can't Do This (Plumb)
This works. It actually is physically impossible for me to do the thing I desire most right now.
Don't despair. I'm sure that some day modern medicine will make male pregnancy a reality!
Yes... but will I be able to give birth to a goat? :(

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
Survey this way! in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Tuesday, March 13 2007 21:06 Profile Homepage #15
Aran kept some of Marlenny's answers by accident. :P However, I'll let him off the hook, because he listens to E Nomine.

This song will be playing when I meet the love of my life:
What If I Stumble? (DC Talk)
Yep, that would be an embarrassing thing to do while meeting the love of your life.

Right now I feel:
Sweet Sacrifice (Evanescence).
No comment.

What makes me happy is:
Nothing Left To Lose (Mat Kearney)
Actually, I prefer having things to lose, and not losing them.

My love of life was inspired by the song:
Even Then (Nichole Nordeman)
Actually really appropriate, when you listen to the lyrics.

My message to the world has always been:
Amish Paradise (Weird Al)
Oh dear. Someone is going to have fun with this.

Next time I'm in front of a crowd, I'll say:
Smells Like Nirvana (Weird Al)
So, apparently next time I'm in front of a crowd I will be hosting a concert with a lot of hot, sweaty, young men in a grunge band. Also, another Weird Al song? What the hell?

My friends see me as:
Breathe Into Me (Red)
Unconscious and in need of resuscitation, possibly?

When I'm drunk I say:
Boy Like Me, Man Like You (Rich Mullins)
Never been drunk, but I suppose if I do get drunk one day it's vaguely possible I may decide to compare childhood experiences with Jesus...

My alter-ego is:
Zebra (John Butler Trio)
The title works for this, but the song itself works even better.

My deepest secret is:
Anxious Seat (Tree 63)
Um... I'm anxious someone will discover my deepest secret? I can't really get anything out of this one.

My day will be like:
I'm In The Way (Jars of Clay)
At this point, I would actually welcome a day where I felt like I was unnecessary and slowing everyone else down.

When I'm in the shower, I sing:
Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car (U2)
This is pretty much one of the few songs that's monotone enough for me to be able to sing at all well. I'll have to start doing this.

My favorite thing to do is:
Sunday Bloody Sunday (Pillar)
Rock out to heavy, socially conscious music, apparently. Yep, that's true.

My parents are like the song:
Shake The Planet (Planetshakers)
Repetitive. Yep.

My ultimate song for dancing is:
Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own (U2)
A good song, but about as un-dancable as I can imagine. Which fits, because I can't dance at all. And how the heck do I get 3 U2 songs in this list (even if one's a cover)?

At my wedding they'll play:
Shine On (NeedToBreathe)
Nah... doesn't even work as a joke.

The story of my life is:
Stay With Me (Matt Lucas)
Lonely and craving affection. Oh God, it's so true! :(

My innermost desire is:
I Can't Do This (Plumb)
This works. It actually is physically impossible for me to do the thing I desire most right now.

To cheer myself up I sing:
Ain't No Rock (The Idea Of North)
Could work... maybe I'l give it a shot next time I'm down.

At my funeral they'll play:
Letting It Go (Levi McGrath)
If only it was "Letting HIM Go", this would work.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Who is the Hottest? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Tuesday, March 13 2007 15:53 Profile Homepage #10
Where's the love for Greta? Such a hot-blooded young lady...

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
Conservapedia in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Thursday, March 8 2007 18:29 Profile Homepage #22
quote:
Originally written by Dr. Johann Georg Faust:

Oh, I almost forgot. There is an amazing irony in a Wiki being used to promote creationism on the basis that evolution lowers entropy (much like a self-organizing system like, say, a Wiki) and thus violates thermodynamics.

Of course, we all know that Wikipedia is not a closed system either, but is fueled by the sweat of countless Wikipedians.
Not trying to start another ID/Creation/Evolution debate, but this isn't a fair comparison. The Wiki is being created through the input of outside "intelligence". I know, the word is a stretch in this context, but the contributors do have a better ability to construct sentences and edit wiki pages than, say, a beam of sunlight. This is actually a reasonably good analog of how ID proponents tend to believe the universe came to be (but only polytheistic evolutionistic IDers, if you want to be strict about it :P ).

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Because I Can: The Masochist's Guide To G4 in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Tuesday, March 6 2007 14:03 Profile Homepage #24
Solo it is. *clutches kebabs to himself distrustfully*

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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On the Road to Weapons of Mass Destruction in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Sunday, March 4 2007 03:14 Profile Homepage #76
I'm not actually looking to get into a debate here, but the short answer is that even though I don't regard it as a direct message from God to me, I do think it's pretty much accurate and I do think it says a lot of tremendous spiritual signifigance.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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On the Road to Weapons of Mass Destruction in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Sunday, March 4 2007 00:14 Profile Homepage #74
quote:
Originally written by Protocols of the Elders of Zion:

Sure. You're reasonable enough, after all.
I just have trouble seeing what you're getting at or how it's intended. I don't "get stuck" on the Bible, I thought I just made that point. I do think it's a very worthwhile book to develop a thorough understanding of, though. I just don't think the way it's regarded by Christians today is the way it was intended either by its writers or by God.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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On the Road to Weapons of Mass Destruction in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 22:10 Profile Homepage #70
quote:
Originally written by Protocols of the Elders of Zion:

See, I have no specific problem with creationism. I think having a specific problem with Christianity is narrow-minded and discriminatory.

I dismiss it on the same grounds you dismiss Thor and Zeus: there's absolutely nothing in my day-to-day life to suggest that either your god or the ancient Vikings' or Greeks' exists, or ever has.

Recoursing to the Bible would only be useful to me if there were things in life that could not be explained without it. That's the only reason evolution exists: how else do you explain biology being as weird as it is?

You reject, or ignore, parts of the Bible in the same way. I very much doubt that you've ever had to concern yourself with the parts of the Law concerning whether or not it is kosher to eat a bat or sow a field with two types of seed. You have no need for them; why bother with them?

Now consider the entire Bible in that light. It posits a way things are that they aren't, it posits a morality that is fine and good but has been largely supplanted with later theology and philosophy (even for you; you by no account take the entirety of the Bible as a literal perscription for day-to-day life, as it was not written about you and needs retooling to apply to you). Why get stuck on it?
Is this intended for me?

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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On the Road to Weapons of Mass Destruction in General
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 20:56 Profile Homepage #68
Hi, I'm weighing in in hopefully a more thoughtful, honestly inquisitive way than some of the more combatively argumentative discussions on the subject I've been involved in here in the past.

Like Synergy, raised as a conservative Christian (which I still consider myself, though perhaps some other more dogmatic conservative Christians may disagree) I for a long time did kinda wonder where the idea of Biblical inerrancy came from. It's so widespread, and so absolutely accepted, and no one even claims that the idea was passed down from God at some point. I've come to regard it as something akin to the Catholic belief in the Assumption of Mary. It's something that there is no record of, but is simply assumed because it would have to be true for their ideas of God and theology to be correct.

Indeed, there are many Christian paradigms that seem to have no genesis with God or even the Bible. I've even at points thought of writing a treatise entitled "The God of the Bible That Christians Don't Believe In". One point in particular that intrigues me a lot is the fact that the God of the Bible is clearly willing to make moral compromises, while most mainline Christians insist the reverse vehemently.

So I've come to regard the Bible in a somewhat similar way to Synergy. A collection of very interesting documents regarding the history of my religion with a lot of relevance when considered intelligently. It certainly may give me insight into the best way to live my life, but it's not a rulebook for my life. And while it contains words from God, it is not the Word of God, per se.

Which makes the evolution debate rather interesting to me. I've always been a strong Creationist. And I think it's sadly true that in some cases, people adopt the Creationist stance more because they aren't comfortable with reassessing their theological views if the Bible isn't 100% accurate more than because they're convinced by the science. I think it definitely tends to make non-Creationists dismissive of the concept, since they can see a lot of people believe in it simply because they want to believe in it, they assume that's the reason for everyone. Not that this doesn't go both ways - I think that there are definitely some people who resist Intelligent Design and Creationism more out of not wanting to have their worldview turned upside down than out of genuine, rational, dispassionate conviction. And I've been guilty of using such people as an excuse to not give Evolution a fair go, as I'm sure many others have.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Because I Can: The Masochist's Guide To G4 in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Saturday, March 3 2007 19:32 Profile Homepage #20
UPDATE!! I just beat Moseh and got through Illya Province. Damn tough, too. I thought he had me. I ended up bringing him down with all of 12 HP to spare. :P

To date, Ug has eaten well over a thousand kebabs. He somehow maintains good fighting fitness.

I'm now tossing up whether it's acceptable to take reinforcements with me in the Fens. On one hand, I haven't been training in Leadership, so the most I can get is 2 soldiers anyway, so it's not like Ug won't still be labouring under a disadvantage compared to most non-stick-wielding characters. On the other... is it cheapening the challenge to accept help? I've been using occasional help where I can get it anyway (leading monsters back to friendly characters, or fighting alongside characters in specific situations). I'm inclined to say it's alright, but if people demand further masochism I can go without.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Because I Can: The Masochist's Guide To G4 in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Monday, February 19 2007 18:35 Profile Homepage #18
How about I finish with Ug first?

I've just gotten through the Cairn Gates, and am level 11. The Battle Alphas at the bridge and the Restless Dead have been the only things too tough for me so far. Oh, and I got through the Dumping Pits by just running past and taking a few hits rather than taking on a trio of Runewarded Thahds. :P

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Because I Can: The Masochist's Guide To G4 in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Sunday, February 18 2007 16:15 Profile Homepage #11
I could, but I can't be bothered. He looks just like every other servile.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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Because I Can: The Masochist's Guide To G4 in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Ash Lael
E Equals MC What!!!!
Member # 5491
 written Sunday, February 18 2007 13:38 Profile Homepage #9
No combat is actually pretty easy in general. And it also gets boring.

Anyway, Ug has been launched! I'm using Mechanics, but not Leadership, and playing a heavily combat-focussed game. I've also extended no spellcasting to using any pods or other magic items (though wearing magic armour is okay). I've just knocked over Shalia, and so far so good. After a little pain early on when dealing with large numbers of opponents I can only kill one at a time, I've started to follow Thuryl's lead and am investing in Endurance.

I also carry around a lot of food - I don't have anything else to spend my cash on, so that's pretty much unlimited and I use it as much as possible, regularly chomping down snacks while in the middle of a fight. I can't help expecting Ug to get really overweight, what with his unhealthy dependency on kebabs. On the other hand, I guess it all gets surgically removed...

No real difficulties so far. I'm spreading skill points fairly evenly among combat skills (though with extra endurance), and I have to say, quick action and parry help a lot, especially against tougher opponents. When all you have to hit people with is a stick, it helps to hit them a few times. :P

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