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Discounts in General
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Wow. That's a horrible butchering.

What I think TGM was trying to say is...

Um...

Just ask Jeff, he has all the answers. IMAGE(Discounts_files/tongue.gif)

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Scenario Contest in Blades of Avernum
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Hopefully the deadline set won't be too hard on either platform.

By the way, this is also impossible. How could JV verify which platform the scenario was made with?

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Happy Martin Luther King, Jr. Day! in General
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Moslems are an ethnic group...?

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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Religion in General
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5{ THE HELL IS A YUSCAY[/i]

Yusuke. Observe:

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PS- Considering that Japan is one of the world's most secular modern liberal democracies, I'd consider comparing anything that comes from there with religion to be folly. IMAGE(Religion (3)_files/tongue.gif)

[ Tuesday, February 03, 2004 16:40: Message edited by: Bladesman Wasazore ]

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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Undead Topics Need Loving Too (aka "Give Me Your First-Born") in General
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Um, could you PLEASE stop using your fingers for hard FKS?

And if you don't like the topic so much, why don't you just not revive it...?

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well... Goodevening sirs in General
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It's good enough, but it's not nearly as good as the beginning would lead you to believe.

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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Weapons/Gear in General
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Edged (mostly because the majority of "artifacts" are edged) and Other (meaning varies-by-what-is-available).

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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Super Bowl XXXVIII in General
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I never watch the games- watching undead on my computer screen tearing apart humans to the music of Ayumi Hamasaki followed by activities two years illegal for me to the music of Ayumi Hamasaki is much more entertaining. ^_^

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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Pets? in Blades of Avernum
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Why not have completely unique NPCs? Or how about pet shops (ie. Richie's Pet Shop from B2) in the sense that you actually buy wild animals? That plus NPC leveling would make for an interesting scenario.

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Undead Topics Need Loving Too (aka "Give Me Your First-Born") in General
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Hey, Motrax- is the Schrodinger's Cat Conundrum just a fancy term for PoMo?

It might be the only thing we agree on! ^_^

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Anti-Americanism in General
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As well as America, arguably Germany, definitely China, any many other prominent nations still around today.

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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Presidential Candidates...? in General
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You're joking, right?

oh shi

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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Presidential Candidates...? in General
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http://www.presidentmatch.com/

1) Kucinich 100%
2) Sharpton 93%
3) Kerry 88%
4) Clark 81%
5) Dean 80%
6) Edwards 75%
7) Lieberman 70%
8) Bush 9%

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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Religion in General
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Don't feed the troll.

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By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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http://s4.invisionfree.com/turkishdivision/index.php

Are you DYING to talk about Echoes, but don't know the proper outlet to let your passions loose? Well, fret no more!

Also, there's an Echoes Cameo Contest going on- the three people to get the most Echoes questions right before the beta-call for the next Echoes scenario get their VERY OWN CAMEO! Need I repeat myself?

...I didn't think so. Well, what are you waiting for? Post!

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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t Lamorak plz get mobile half cells

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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home, sweet home: a little joke in Blades of Avernum
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Unless you're Alcritas, in which case you can do it with a library.
Unless you're Stareye, in which case you can do it with a power plant. And special spells. And virtually all of Spy's Quest.
Unless you're Creator, in which case you can do it with outdoors that murder you by walking in them. And super-powered combats. And by playing through those combats with a level-1 party.
Unless you're Terror's Martyr, in which case you can do it with super-powered enemies hurling special spells against super-powered allies who basically make your involvement in the scenario pointless.
Unless you're Drakefyre, in which case you can fail horribly to make any scenario of any sort. Repeatedly.
Unless you're Brett Bixler, in which case you can be a talented graphics artist, yet fill your scenario with completely uninspired color shifts and nonsensicalities, not to mention completely nonsensical character interactions.
Unless you're Drizzt, in which case you can keep the party away from the centrefuge of the action at all points, bar-none.
Unless you're Aceron, in which case you can be a fundamentalist Christian.
Unless you're Ben Frank, in which case you can use WAY too many outdoors. Repeatedly.
Unless you're Interplay Studios, in which case you should die. Horribly. And repeatedly.
Unless you're Vince Fizz, in which... No, VF isn't the exception to the rule.
Unless you're Adolf Hitler, in which you can have a really cool moustache.
Unless you're George W. Bush, in which case you can be a chimpanzee with a southern accent.
Unless you're Jeff Vogel, in which... Nope, he's not an exception to the rule either.

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Dumb Newbie question in General
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quote:
Originally written by The Lord of Evil:

If you keep insulting me I would like you to know I will kill you. And I am not saying I will kill you to show my anger. But I will actually kill you. And I want you to know that I have no problem with killing you. I could kill you tomorrow and I wouldn't care. So you have two choices. Either stop insulting me or I will kill you. There is about several ways that I can physically kill you. And I would love to use one of those ways to kill you. So you have two options. option a, stop insulting me.
Option B, I will physically kill you tomorrow.
So you think about it Mr ADOS.

Quoted for posterity.

ps- lolocaust

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By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
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But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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The irony of the Lord of All Evil being Catholic is astounding.

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By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
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But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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Welcome to the discount Christian outlet.

You save NOTHING- only Jesus saves!

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By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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Atheist, leaning towards Post-Modernist, aka "Autotheism".

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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TM: On American Indians: Isn't it pretty simple to see how a government could take such a campaign to the extreme?
Isn't it pretty simple to see how a government could commit genocide on the basis of a few lone men? Isn't it pretty simple to see how America broadsidedly labeled a whole menagerie into one category and systematically grind them down into a sub-human status, among those who were left alive?
No, no it isn't.
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People felt threatened by renegade indians, and they weren't one cohesive group held together with any real ties. They didn't fight in the traditional way, used guerrilla tactics, and did things to victims seen as barbaric. That's pretty comparable to terrorism in present day. I would expect many other civilizations in the world at any other time in history to respond to such a situation in the same way.
People felt so threatened by a few renegade men from mostly pacifist tribes that, despite the cordial and welcoming nature of the NA's, that they had to wipe every single redskin they found, only letting the submissive ones be allowed into slavery? And you're saying there weren't renegade Americans who went out and shot Indians?
And on that note, I find your use of the term "barbaric" somewhat offensive. There are only different cultures- I'm sure the Indians thought aiming phallic symbols and pressing a button to kill of a man in one stroke from a safe distance was pretty arrogant- reality and interpretation is, just as I said earlier, defined by the group doing the interpreting. Can you imagine how horribly rude and dare I say barbaric we were to those deprived peoples? Clearly, America had reason to be offended by this, and had a right to approach the Indians asking what the meaning of the raid was, and perhaps even demand retribution of some sort.
As far as I see, however, killing of masses of innocents isn't fair retribution by any definition of the word, and the only true reasons I can possibly notice in America's actions is racist paranoia and imperialism. "America wasn't evil?" As a whole, perhaps not. In this instance, most definitely. The article should have taken a much more borderline issue to tackle.

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My point (and, i think, the point of the article) is not to say that the US wasn't at fault at all, just that it wasn't the "evil" invaders who callously crushed a noble people without provacation. Nor, really, were any of the other supposed crimes the US has committed against the world. The point is not that the US has always been either the victim or the freedom fighter, but that the US hasn't been the melodramatic villain in every conflict, seeking only to benefit itself, and to say so is pretty inflammatory. Neither extreme is correct. As with most things, it's the grey area in the middle that's the closest to the truth, yet people still flock to the extremes to exaggurate their point. Orson isn't entirely innocent of a little one-siededness in his article, but he at least admits that the other side exists and has some legitimate points. You must admit, the article does make some good arguements.
(Before I get into arguments, one thing- "You must admit?" Is that supposed to be a command of some sort? In the future, avoid that line: It sounds arrogant and audacious, regardless of its intent.)
Again, read my paragraph- America was justified in seeking answers, and perhaps even making a comparable counter-raid or demand of retribution. There is no comparison, however, between the scarce raids done by renegade adolescants and the genocide of "civilized" and "mature" adults.
Saying that America was not acting in an insidious manner in all of its conflicts is a blanket statement that, supposedly, you seem to be against. Spanish-American War? Slavery in the constitution (admittedly, this is only against the states- but this was because the south WAS +50% of America at the time)? Mexican-American War? I could go on, but these seem like enough counter-examples to prove that a country can and will be evil at some times in history. Perhaps the people who initiated Vietnam (well, most- more often than not, when a war is supported, some of the people who support it will be evil) were honest, if not mistaken in the eyes of many. Perhaps even Hitler thought he was doing the right thing. Perhaps Osama Bin Laden thought that he was doing the right thing. Still, I don't think it's accurate or even feasible to make the statement that all of the actions taken by any one nation had honest reasons in the eyes of those who made them. Some things in history, like it or not, are evil.
And for the final few sentences? Well, your last paragraph also adresses this, so...

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Both sides can have their extremes, and will probably use them to justify their actions, but it seems that lately I've seen a lot going anti-American and not much in defense. This article provides a bit of the other side. Yin and Yang, balance in all things. ;)
So wait, let me get this straight:
1) You and I and this article AGREE that interpretations are biased as per the interpreter
2) The article seeks to offer a counter-opinion? Okay.
3) The article offers a counter-opinion, however, not because of a need to enlighten, but to fight THE ENEMY, as per the article.
4) Thus, people who have different biases (ie. leftist ones) that affect their interpretations are the ENEMY.

Your intent seems valid enough, but what you brought along was a fint-and-tinder, liberal-lynching and polarizing article that certainly won't help you make any friends outside of the far-right. I don't care which definition of enemy YOU use (and I'll get to that in your final paragraph), it just doesn't help you sound like a sane individual, and will significantly reduce the number of legitimate responses (ie. not in the greater interest of ending the conversation) you'll get.

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Not even when those views are anti-American to the point of terrorism and violence? I find something clearly wrong with taking an issue out of context and examining only 1 side of it, because that effectively is a falsification of the issue. I beleive that most of those who hate us in the Middle East and other areas do so because they've only ever heard 1 side of the issue. Misunderstanding begets fear, and fear begets hate. Deliberately contributing to a misunderstanding of the US is, in effect, contributing to hate of the US.
To the point of? Are you saying that if a person holds such insanely leftist beliefs, then they are as guilty as the people who fly planes into towers and whatnot? It's called having biases, and it's not intrinsically violent, last time I checked.
If someone only checks one side of an issue, that means they're ignorant. Unfortunately, it seems to me that you assume that examining both sides thoroughly and coming up with a "radical" interpretation is impossible. If someone examines the issues and comes up with a conclusion that is radical or even PROMOTES violence (assuming non-immediate following of these conclusions), does that make them the enemy? No, it makes them a person with biases and beliefs coming to a conclusion using logic. If this is the case, you can argue against them if you think they're wrong.

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On your last point, enemy can mean a lot of things. Someone who opposes you and represents a threat to your interests can be classified an enemy. It might not be "good" to call someone an enemy, but identifying enemies to your interests is the first step in making sure they don't succeed in their opposition of your interests. The Democratic candidates for the 2004 election are GWB's enemies to being reelected. Those who burned US flags and danced in the streets when reached with the news about the WTC incident can pretty safely be classified as enemies of the US, can't they?
1 : one that is antagonistic to another; especially : one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent
2 : something harmful or deadly
3 a : a military adversary b : a hostile unit or force

Of these definitions, two involve direct violence, and the former involves revolution (which usually ends up being directly violent anyway). Yeah, the WTC bombers can be considered enemies- they fall under all three definitions of the term. Passive radicals, however, are not military adversaries, harmful/deadly or revolutionary. If nothing else, people trying to reach a solution for a better world are your allies, even if they agree or disagree with you. The Democrats in 2004 are nobody's enemy, unless George W. Bush stands more for staying in power than helping the world- but that's a whole other can of worms.

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
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But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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This one is bereft of political propaganda.

I think.

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I'll try to point out flaws in this article as I see fit, omitting most of some paragraphs on the basis of their length- go to the site if you really need to refresh your memory.

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About forty years ago, people went crazy with American history.
Somebody noticed that our schoolbooks were giving our children the false impression that America strode the world like a glorious angel, righting all wrongs and blessing every other nation with our wisdom and largesse.
What with the Vietnam War and all the sudden wisdom of those student protesters who knew that any country that wanted to draft them had to be evil, it became quite fashionable to "correct" that false impression and tell the "truth" about history.
It's a good idea for history to be truthful. In the long run, lying about history doesn't work, because when the people find out the truth, they stop believing anything you say.
But in the short run, you can get a lot of mileage out of one-sided history.
When you start interpreting history and some people disagree with you, odds are they probably disagreed with you anyway- people's political beliefs deeply impact their perspectives on history. If this guy and I sat down and had a talk about history, I would most certainly walk out labeled as the enemy. I'll probably reference this multiple times with "see above" captions, because one thing that has and continues to frustrate me about many members of the far-right (not saying that it's unique to that sphere- it isn't) I have encountered is that everyone else suddenly becomes the "enemy" for disagreeing. It's irritating, because it really doesn't help either side of the argument.

[quote]All that ain't-America-wonderful history ignored some important points. American Indians were pretty badly treated. American blacks were freed in the Civil War but re-oppressed by landlords and Jim Crow laws for many decades. American foreign policy saved freedom in Europe but supported dictatorships and toppled governments in Latin America and other places, often as a favor to American corporations that preferred working with bribable officials.

The trouble is, the cure for that whitewashed American history has been even worse than the disease. Because now we get a version of history that's even more one-sided. In the name of multiculturalism and "fairness" and "facing the truth," we get a view of history in which America is always the villain.

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That version is now so ingrained that our recent history and current events... [lots of paragraphs, check the site] ...will tell you that the Gulf War was about oil and Clarence Thomas probably said "something" to Anita Hill.
Okay, so peoples' biases affect their interpretations of history- again, this is more of a socio-political issue than anything else, coming from the perspective of a economically right-wing, somewhat libertine society (society- not gov't). If this society were to become more authoritarian, its interpretation of history would change- Even the vaunted "Vietnam Disaster" would become acceptable for most people. Sane/rational people aside, most people would paint people of opposite alignments in a bad light.
Thus, by disagreeing with historical interpretations, this article also disagrees with the politics of the more vocal Americans. Clearly, this seems to be the case regardless of using history as a backdrop.

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Does it matter?
You bet it does. Because that process of painting America as the bad guy is already beginning with the Terrorist War.
Already there are voices talking about how America has somehow mistreated the Arab and/or Muslim world, thereby creating the grievances that led to 11 September.
Those who oppose us keep invoking "history" to prove we're evil:
Our support for Israel's wars of aggression has antagonized the Muslim world.
We're treating Muslims now that way we treated Indians back in the 1800s.
We're as evil as the wicked Crusaders who invaded the Holy Land back in Medieval times.
I'd like to look at some of those charges.
Does it matter that people disagree with me?
Yes it does.
(I've covered this in the previous paragraph. Apparently, this author wants people to agree with him- and considering that we live in a somewhat-representative gov't, I can understand why.)

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Oldest story first. Awful as the behavior of the Crusaders was,... ...comparisons with the Crusades are merely slander.
I agree to some extent- using the Crusades in reference to anything in the last 100-200 years is complete hogwash (although really, must Bush use so many Biblical quotes in his speeches...?). However, I also have to point out that all of the conquered lands were in Christian hands first because Christianity came 610 years before Islam. And considering the treatment Christians of all denominations did unto their own (destruction of the Spanish Armada, 100 years war, Spanish Inquisition, etc), I severely doubt that Islam in general would have been accepted in Europe in an age dominated by a dark-ages mindset. But since it has already been established that associating religions with a mostly secular government, I'll move on.

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Yes, almost every treaty between American governments and American Indian tribes was broken.
Usually by both sides... ...It is a lie to list the atrocities committed by only one side, while painting the other side as perfectly noble and heroic all the time.
Keep a few things in mind- first, the "American Indians" were not one group as a whole. And that aside, if you're trying to justify the genocide of whole tribes (and North America's first recorded use of biological warfare!), robbery of land and allotment into complete destitution with the murder of a few innocent farmers done by the renegade members of a society outside of the society's control, you're batshit insane. The "Indians" were, for the most part, confused but cordial. The Americans were- and are- intolerant, and what took place in "history" was nothing but a malicious and completely unwarranted attack on a whole people.

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Should U.S. warships have shelled neighborhoods in Beirut back during Reagan's presidency? History matters, in part because our enemies keep invoking their twisted version of history in order to justify what they do to our people, and to paint us as monsters for defending ourselves.
So let's face history head on. We're tough. We can deal with the truth.
Because the ENEMIES? What, the ones who have their own views?

Holding radical views in either direction in regards to historical interpretation is something I can live with. I can live with being called an enemy by an extremist who seems quite bent on polarizing anyone and everyone who reads the article, but it's irritating having to deal with it in order to sift down to one's actual points. If a person sits down and argues history, I'd prefer if they defended themselves logically so I would have something to argue against, but aside from that, I don't see anything wrong with people holding their own views (perhaps biased, even- shiver in fear at the ability to express the enemy's opinions...!), and maybe even using their arguments to support that which they believe in. And if they're actually lying overtly (ie. "America killed everyone in Europe during WWII" or "Dresden never happened"), then both sides should call them out on that, now shouldn't they?

Eh. A sane historical outlook is good, but calling someone an enemy is never a "good" thing.

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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