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If you want to, mail it to me. I'll try to cut it down in size, upload it to my online archive and you can link to it from there.

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I'm curious now. Rent-an-Ihrno, let me change to german to clarify the uvular/alveolar problem. Wie formst du ein 'R'? Mit der Zungenspitze oder mit der Rachenmandel (Zäpfchen)? Zungenspitze (tip of the tongue)=alveolar, Rachenmandel (uvular)=uvular.

edit: you can upload it to your website, Thralni, and link to it.

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That's why I asked 'where' in your mouth you form the vowels. You see, as a former singer and actor I've had quite an intensive phonetic training. Once the vowels are placed correctly, the placing of the 'R'-sound does not have to be adapted. It stays put, so to speak. With 'throaty' vowels, the placing of the 'R'-sound changes slightly, to make space for and adapt to the vowel. But that would be true for all vowels then, so for 'i', 'o', 'u' as well.

edit: Ringelnatz, read by Gerd Boysen, an actor of some renown. Quite a few 'R's here, some close to trills. Kuttel Daddeldu

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That alveolar trill, Kel, you'll still hear it a lot in Switzerland, though not in Austria or Germany.

Thralni, try as I may, I don't quite get the difference between 'Ramstein' and 'Recht'. People with very throaty voices, who place the vowels almost in their throats instead of their mouths may have to adapt a bit, is that what you mean?

The page Kel linked to gives 'Wasser' and 'Rad' as examples. The pronounciation of 'Rad' is utterly correct for an 'R' at the beginning of a word. But you know how it is, everyday language tends to be slurry and not always precise phonetically, so often the 'R'-sound at the beginning of words resembles something in between 'Rad' and 'Wasser'. It's just not so precise anymore.

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Alec:at least he seems to be concerned with the woman as a human being,

That's precisely the message that didn't reach me and what triggered my response.
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ef:An eye for an eye
Alec:Balderdash. Mohammed preaches mercy and tolerance as well, it's just that, like the parts of the Old Testament and New Testament portraying God as merciful were ignored for a millenium, political forces find those parts of the Qu'ran untenable.
Could you elaborate a bit on this? Not the mercy and tolerance part, of course I know that, but that it is more political than religious voices that insist on the 'eye for eye'-policy, and how to use the Quran to argue against it?
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Alec:You are comparing a liberal and recent strain of Christianity to a reactionary and ancient strain of Islam,
If that is so, could you point me to some more recent and more liberal interpretations of the islamic faith and its interrelation with other faiths?

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It's quite selfish.
As you train to be a professional counselor, 'selfishness' is not the issue that needs to be addressed. Forcing someone means disrespecting that person's boundaries, using violence is a violation. Your clients should not have to fear that their therapist reinforces and strengthens a pattern, that a lot of them are all too familiar with.

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Dintiradan:The authors of the Bible were inspired by the Holy Spirit, and thus the words are timeless.
The essence of the message is, but that message is delivered through a human medium whose associations and understanding are shaped and limited by cultural background and time period.

This is the official catholic canon, and is the reason why Pope Benedict feels that a dialogue should be started between christian and islamic clergy to discuss the very nature of revelation. Most protestant denominations have a similar outlook, though I know that there are currently (mainly american) protestant groups that disagree.
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Jumpin': You soundly castigated me for making an argument from the minority viewpoint, and then basically said that nothing can be done. Shame.
Yes. I honestly don't know what could be done. Like many others I'm currently trying to inform myself and understand things better, but what I do understand sofar has not yet opened a path ahead. And my favourite Imam quote, though it never fails to cheer me up, is not very helpful either: "Mohammed (peace be upon him) did not suffer anything from the newspaper cartoons because he is dead, he is at peace, he is in paradise. There is no reason to ask for any apology, because what do you expect from people who say God had a son. They will say anything. They will draw cartoons too."

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I don't think companies could make a difference, even if they cared. Islamic law is based on the Quran. It is therefore somewhat open to interpretation, but not much. An eye for an eye is the basic rule and that is unchangeable.

There is a fundamental difference between the Quran and the Old and New Testament of the Bible. Judaism and Christianity both differentiate between the message and the messenger, who is not seen as perfect and sacrosanct. Prophets and apostles tell us of God's/Jesus' teachings, and how they do that is seen as related to their own cultural background and time. So there's space to adapt their teachings to changing times.

This is different in Islam. The Quran is understood as the direct teaching of God via the archangel Gabriel, who makes Muhammad aware of God's wishes for men and of God's law. That makes it an absolute message, infinite, unchangeable. There's not much space for interpretation. Also, as the Quran is younger than the Bible, it is seen as the final version of God's will. Islam has no trouble accepting the Bible, as we would accept the first edition of a book and then the second edited one. After that comes the third and final publication, and that covers all aspects of life, mundane and spiritual, private and public.

Changes to Islam, if at all possible, can only come from within, through its own scholars and clergy, through its own people.

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If an unmarried woman can fight off her attacker, she will only come free, if she can prove that he wanted to rape her. Otherwise, death by stoning. If she comes free, honour killings are reported, because she has shamed her family. A married woman will be considered an adulteress in any case, death by stoning. Should a woman accidentily kill her attacker, she is charged with murder in any case, death by hanging.

Well, it's not your gender that's being made to pay, young Jumpin'. That may explain your generosity.

Sorry, but I feel hurt.

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Imperfect(um) is "He was throwing."
Now that is interesting. The german language does not have an equivalent to your '-ing'-form, Dutch hasn't either as far as I know. So within the context of my own language, simple past and imperfect are identical. 'Ich ging' = 'I went' is all there is, 'I was going' needs a workaround to be expressed.

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In the meantime, maybe this link could be useful:
Google Scholar/Sumerian/Genitive

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Also, how come you want to see a book or article that much? isn't it enough that the head of the IAA (International Association of Assyriology) (my father) told me how it is,
No, it is not enough. If you don't know that, then your father will. From a researcher's point of view, Slartucker has nothing but hearsay to guide him right now, and has to trust that you, a non-professional in this area, have fully grasped what you've been told and passed it on correctly. I would call that a scientist's nightmare.

I'm sure your father can provide such a reference easily, and would be happy to do so, were he aware of the deep and genuine involvement of the one who's asking for it.

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Map for Avernum 3 in The Avernum Trilogy
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as long as there aren't any walkthrough-related labels on them
There are small circles with numbers on them that point to game related information. They have been edited in, they can be edited out.

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Map for Avernum 3 in The Avernum Trilogy
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Rache's written the most complex and detailed walkthrough on Avernum 3 that's ever been put on the web. More than a walkthrough, she covers all and every question you might have concerning the game. I never imagined anything as outstanding as her endeavour when I offered to help her, and that's why to my everlasting shame I got stuck after reformatting roughly 2/3 of her site. My own efforts focused on providing an easy to use and clean navigation as well as on creating image maps, where moving your cursor over the map brings up information on the many details she so painstakingly collected. Things she couldn't do herself. We've removed the link to this unfinished oeuvre. But I guess, her site would be more often used, if it were easier to search and navigate.

Now this is a question to Aran and his ermarian.net: Rache has maps for every spot you might want to visit in A3. Do you plan to include maps in your encyclopedia? Shall we try to contact Rache and ask her, if she'd like to see them there?

edit: I'll put the links to both sites in my sig.
Sorry Aran, you have maps on your site. Didn't find them immediately.

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I haven't checked this thoroughly, but it looks encouraging and comes without pop-ups/ads.
Hostdepartment.com

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If html-pages and pics are in the same folder, then the link to a picture looks like this:
<img src="http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/thralni0/
whatever-picture.JPG">

Your browser is no editor. Highlighting text in your browser doesn't change anything. Read your account instructions. Or ask those who have similar accounts, like TM or Gizmo. Sorry, my own stuff is on a private server which makes the handling it a lot easier.

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That image link will only work, if image and html-pages are within the same folder. If you store images in a different folder, you'll have to specify the path to that folder in your link.

You can get rid of the lycos ads in your main frame by simply deleting their code. Right-click your main frame, a window pops up that gives you the option to read this particular frame's source code. They suggest that you delete their code when editing your page.

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You talk about Charlemagne then. But your quote is giving the impression that a common language existed at that time, which all germanic and frankic tribes were able to understand and use. That's not so. There were the Old Lower Germanic dialects, variations of which were spoken by the people in the north, and the Old High Germanic dialects (Frankish among them) which were spoken in the middle and southern parts of what was to become Charlemagne's empire. Neighbouring tribes were usually able to understand each other, but if you moved farther away..

'Theodisc' is not one particular language; the expression simply refers to the use of each and every germanic dialect as opposed to the church's Latin.

It was Martin Luther, who (when translating the bible) created a language from a conglomerate of those dialects that were most often used and best understood. But in the early days his translation was always accompanied by dictionaries that explained and translated words that people in that particular region of the land would not understand.

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In a attempt to seperate themselves from the Romans, the teutons living there called their language "Theodisk." This name soon was the name of the language spoken in the whole of the teuton empire.
I'm being a nitpick now.

The Teutons never had an empire, nor did they live alongside Romans. They were a tribe from Jutland (some historians say Skandinavia), that in the 2. centaury B.C. migrated south to the Danube valley together with their neighbours, the Cimbri. Upon encountering Romans in the valley they went on into Gaul where they attacked the Roman Empire. Initially victorious, they were desastrously defeated 102 B.C. They did not survive as a tribe, as their women killed the children and committed mass suicide when they were asked to surrender.

The Romans named them Teutoni, a derivation from Proto-Germanic 'Theudanos' = 'they of the tribe', 'they of the people'. Greatly admiring the women's heroism, many roman legends and tales were spun around this people.

But: they were just one of dozens of germanic tribes, each with their own language and culture.

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Nevermind, Wikipedia knows everything:
Diets

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By the way, Deutsch came directly from the name "Diets."
Could you give me a link to where this comes from?

From what I know the root is gothic 'biuda' (engl: thiuda) and its adjective 'biutisc', meaning 'the people' and 'of the people'. The first letter is not a 'b', I don't have the correct equivalent on my keybord. The latinised version 'theotisc' was used in the middle ages to separate 'latin', the language of the clergy and the educated from 'theotisc', the language(s) of the people.

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Quick Note About Graphics in Avernum 4
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I like the figure. Yes, you'd have to work on colour and shading, but as you said, that's not a big deal. I don't know what type of mesh you made - is the waistpoint movable (I mean, is it a joint or not)? If it were, I'd like to see more variation between the resting and attacking poses. But other than that, I wish I were as comfortable working with Blender as you seem to be.

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But I wrote them into the game before I realized that I couldn't find a different, decent Poser model for a weird bug. The MOMENT I find one, that clawbug is SO out of there.

I don't know, if Jeff Vogel still checks this topic. But just in case - I may have come upon something. DAZ produces almost all of Poser's models. Go to their website, which is daz3d.com and browse through their animal galleries. You'll find an ant and a mosquito that can both be morphed into decent chitrachs. (In case they should not be Poser format, but DAZ only: they have their own studio, much like Poser, just a bit less complex and downloadable for free.)

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'Poser' is expensive. 'Blender' on the other hand is open source and free, well documented, and comes with a lot of tutorials and support for both Mac and Windows.
Blender.org

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Custom graphics - graphics prog for win in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Paintshop Pro v5 is freeware
Yes, it used to be while its producer 'Jasc' still owned it. But since 'Corel' has taken over 'Jasc', the freeware has vanished from the web. All you can donwnload now is Corel's trial version of Paintshop Pro X.

'The Gimp' is always a good alternative and is open source.
The Gimp

I also like Irfan View. Wouldn't want any other picture viewer.

edit: ADoS, can you give me a link to that Photoshop 6 version you use? 'Jasc' used to be one of my favourites, I'd like to know where to download some of their former software.

As to which software people use - though I know that Adobe is univerally adored, I still prefer to work with Corel and Macromedia.

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