Monarch: Who Is He?
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Agent
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written Monday, April 23 2007 18:43
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I've recently fought over Monarch again, and a few things caught my eye. 1. Monarch is described as being extremly old 2. Monarch has pale skin 3. Monarch is arrogant (refering to you as "it", his journal) 4. Monarch built an Empire before, failed 5. Monarch was thwarted by a Shaper 6. Monarch has control batons Assuming Trajkov lives, we can see the following: 1. Trajkov is extremly old 2. Using the Geneforge, among other things, makes you pale 3. Using the Geneforge, among other things, makes you arrogant 4. Trajkov tried to build an Empire after using the Genefoge. 5. He was thwarted by the G1 Shaper 6. Trajkov could have accesed control batons on Sucia What's more, Dewry explains that Trajkov indeed used the Geneforge, although he didn't get the reasons right. Dewry then goes on to say that the Shapers defeated him. Lastly, he says that the stories aren't 100% factual. This has lead me to the conclusion that Trajkov escaped Sucia Isle after the purging of the Shapers. He gathered and honed his power, and the rebels then attacked. He went to Grosch, and the rest is history. Thoughts? -------------------- Pass the sauerkraut and chips please. Posts: 1186 | Registered: Friday, June 18 2004 07:00 |
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The Establishment
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written Monday, April 23 2007 19:07
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We've been through this discussion before. Nonetheless, it is an interesting possibility. The other credible thing discussed is that he was the player's character from GF 1. -------------------- Your flower power is no match for my glower power! Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Monday, April 23 2007 19:16
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Potential contenders could be: - The PC from GF3 - Trajkov - Goettsche - Barzhal - Phariton There's only one slight flaw with the Trajkov theory. It's mentioned in GF1 that the Sholai are physically distinct from the 'Shaper' race. If Monarch was indeed Trajkov, everyone would be able to recognize this and acknowledge that he ISN'T a rebel or shaper. As there is such confusion as to whether he is a rebel or Shaper, I'd assume that Monarch isn't a Sholai, hence isn't likely to be Trajkov. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Tuesday, April 24 2007 07:41
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Wasn`t it said that Sholai won`t play any big part in future geneforge games? Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, April 24 2007 08:56
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I used to think Monarch was the PC. It says Monarch wears tattered shaper robes, which is pretty much identical to the description of the PC at the end of any Geneforge game. Both Greta and Alwan seem to know him personally, and the two of them have very little on common other than their time spend with him. Also, the PC founds an empire in various Geneforge endings as well. But now I know who Monarch really is. It's obvious. A crazy man taking over the world from his basement? It's Jeff Vogel! -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Tuesday, April 24 2007 11:38
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Nalyd made a thread on this somewhere, he's sure. But the UBB search is erratic and bad, so he'll find it manually. Eventually. -------------------- May the fires of Undeath burn in your soul, and consume it. Posts: 1636 | Registered: Wednesday, January 5 2005 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Tuesday, April 24 2007 11:59
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quote:I don't recall that, even though I'm not surprised, they don't get much contact. Anyways, after using the Geneforge, fleeing from Sucia, and living on Terresia a while, I'd think he'd look a little more native. -------------------- Pass the sauerkraut and chips please. Posts: 1186 | Registered: Friday, June 18 2004 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, April 24 2007 14:38
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If he is a pc he have to be from GF1 or 2 to be old enough. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, April 24 2007 18:58
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This isn't quite thread necromancy, but it may be encouraging more speculation on a bad topic... I really don't think it's Goettsch. Barzahl also seems unlikely to me. The commentary about the Monarch is so absolutely loaded. The silences from all the NPCs is either a huge red herring from Jeff or it really does mean something. So, not Goettsch or Barzahl, simply because they don't seem important enough to become the Shaper Monarch. Just my two cents. P.S. Whenever I see "the Monarch" I think of Venture Bros. It makes me smile to think of that guy ordering around creations or something. Posts: 93 | Registered: Saturday, June 1 2002 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, April 24 2007 19:27
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I don't think he can be any character that has already been named. After all, if he was, why not just call his by his name? I don't see how it adds to the plot to make it a mystery. Really, it would be better to just call him Goettch or Barzahl if it was one of those. It must be either the PC or maybe just nobody special. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, April 24 2007 20:02
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Monarch changed his name to distance himself from his previous failure at Empire building. He chooses not to remember that time except as a need to revenge himself on the Shapers. The Sholai appearance altered considerably from thin sailors to bulked up warriors from excessive canister use. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Thursday, April 26 2007 06:47
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Maybe Shaper Monarch is Master Hodge the teacher at the shaper school in the begining of Geneforge 3. Posts: 26 | Registered: Tuesday, October 28 2003 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Thursday, April 26 2007 06:56
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Why is it that Geneforge absolutely breeds mispelled names? I've never seen "Garzahd" slaughtered in as many different ways as "Barzahl". It's "Hoge" and "Litalia" and "Khyryk" and "Akhari Blaze" to say nothing of the numerous drakons with less pronouncable names. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Thursday, April 26 2007 09:54
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quote:Which is extremely odd, when you consider that they are very nearly the same name, differing only by the permutation (GB)(DL). -------------------- "I can't read this thread with that image. But then, that's not a complaint." -Scorpius Geneforge 4 stuff. Also, everything I know about Avernum | Avernum 2 | Avernum 3 | Avernum 4 Posts: 1104 | Registered: Monday, March 10 2003 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Thursday, April 26 2007 10:18
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Actually, the vowel in the second syllable is pretty different, despite both being written with the same letter. But yeah, they are similar names. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Thursday, April 26 2007 10:29
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Are you saying that Shaper Monarch is Gharzad? Rentar would make more sense. Edit: What a time to spell Garzahd wrong. [ Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:30: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ] -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Thursday, April 26 2007 10:48
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quote:One flaw in that.The majority of people to see Monarch end up dead a few seconds later (and the GF4 PC probably wouldn't know the difference) -------------------- I have a karma of 2!Yay! Posts: 60 | Registered: Monday, December 11 2006 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Thursday, April 26 2007 12:33
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The majority, but not all of them. Khyryk certainly has some quality time with him, and doesn't say anything about him looking foreign, despite spouting off about Monarch for some time. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Thursday, April 26 2007 15:27
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Tarra: quote:But there are a significant number of people who knew Monarch well (the refugees in Shaper Camp Gamma, Lilita, Kyrhk) who never thought to mention: "Oh, and by the way, Monarch sure doesn't look like a native." quote:Huh? The GF4 PC may not know what a Sholai looks like, yet a lack of such knowledge doesn't mean that one can't differentiate between races, and know that foreigners 'aren't part of your race'. I don't need to know the name of the Asian race to know that Asians aren't Caucasians or Africans. -------------------- VIVE LA TAKERS! VIVE LA REBELLION! VIVE LA GHALDRING! Posts: 522 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00 |
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written Thursday, April 26 2007 15:35
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quote:He's suggesting nothing of the sort, merely ranting about people's inability to spell, and pointing out that it's odd that "Garzahd" is misspelled so much less often than "Barzahl" when they're basically the same damn name. [ Thursday, April 26, 2007 15:39: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Thursday, April 26 2007 22:53
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quote:Not the way I pronounce them: Barz - Al / Garz - Ad I must say it never occurred to me to say Barz - Arl before now. I doubt I ever will. Edit: Come to think of it though, my reasoning breaks down a bit when you realise that it's probably the similarity in spelling is the cause of my pronouncing the two names the same way (i.e. I knew the name Garzahd long before Barzahl)... [ Thursday, April 26, 2007 23:12: Message edited by: Micawber ] -------------------- "I can't read this thread with that image. But then, that's not a complaint." -Scorpius Geneforge 4 stuff. Also, everything I know about Avernum | Avernum 2 | Avernum 3 | Avernum 4 Posts: 1104 | Registered: Monday, March 10 2003 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, April 27 2007 08:25
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quote:My humor is wasted on Thuryl. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Friday, April 27 2007 08:55
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I don't think Monarch could be Trajkov - it wouldn't make any sense. You have to kill Trajkov to get the Shaper ending in G1, and the Shaper ending is the canon ending. Also, Trajkov would never become this crazy. Monarch reminded me a lot of Spharon from G3 - technically it could be him, you don't have to kill him to finish the game. Even if he isn't Spharon, they are certainly alike. Monarch could also be a random mad Shaper that you never met in the previous games, because Jeff felt like messing with our minds. EDIT : "ening?" Gah. Fixed typo. [ Saturday, April 28, 2007 00:13: Message edited by: The Lurker ] Posts: 363 | Registered: Wednesday, February 22 2006 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Friday, April 27 2007 14:43
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quote:Yes, however Jeff hasn't always gone with the exact ending. Not to mention that Dewry told us that Trajkov used the Geneforge. Also, do you think that having used the Geneforge, started building an empire, and having it dashed would not drive someone insane? quote:This is possible, but how many mad and extremly powerful Shapers do you think there are? Also, how many of those do you think would live to such advanced age? How many of these would have had the resources to start building an empire? Lastly, how many of these were defeated by a Shaper? -------------------- Pass the sauerkraut and chips please. Posts: 1186 | Registered: Friday, June 18 2004 07:00 |