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G5 wishlist. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
vld
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Member # 7950
 written Tuesday, May 29 2007 05:00 Profile #20
I would like if PC could reshape himself into a drakon by the end if he chooses to help them.
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Monarch: Who Is He? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
vld
Apprentice
Member # 7950
 written Tuesday, April 24 2007 07:41 Profile #3
Wasn`t it said that Sholai won`t play any big part in future geneforge games?
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Where will G5 be? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
vld
Apprentice
Member # 7950
 written Thursday, April 5 2007 21:37 Profile #19
I would like if it was Suicia island. Maybe not whole game but last battles, you know, to end everything there where it began.
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
vld
Apprentice
Member # 7950
 written Wednesday, April 4 2007 21:17 Profile #424
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How does being sufficient only in Shaping not make the Drakons inferior?
Thats like saying that Drakons are superior because they are physicaly stronger or because they have claws so they don`t need weapons for fighting. Yes, thats a minus for Drakons but it`s not like Shapers are perfect in every way.

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The Drakons, due to their arrogance and pride, would rather fight and squabble about who does the hard work and who gets to sit back and chew on Shaper bones.
Assuming much?

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Seriously, it doesn't look good when you try to declare the argument over. It seems like you know you're beat but are trying to save face. I may be misreading your intent, but it does seem like you're giving up.
You are blind or something? It`s pointless to argue when opponent ignores your "facts" and uses double standarts.

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edit: honestly can you imagine a drakon sweeping a floor
And i can`t imagine Monarch washing the toilet.

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The thing is, the people like Master Thell would either adjust or be forced to do the work themselves. The Drakons would rather fight and die.
Assuming much without any "facts"?

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You can't just assume that it would never happen.
So we can`t assume that Shapers wouldn`t accept dryaks but you can assume that Drakons wouldn`t do any work? Double standarts?

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But emp we don’t know this.
It`s pointless, he knows better than the game.
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
vld
Apprentice
Member # 7950
 written Monday, April 2 2007 21:20 Profile #379
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The fact that rebellion exist is because they made creations they couldn't control why would they create something superpowerful that they couldn't control?
That proves that Drakons are as skilled as Shapers. If Shapers were superior in skill(and they have more resources) they could create something stronger and controlable.
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
vld
Apprentice
Member # 7950
 written Monday, April 2 2007 13:13 Profile #368
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It says they had more resources and skill than Monarch
And monarch isn`t one of the best shapers?

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When they abandon this need for control, they make even more powerful creations, like the Titan. This is like the tenth time I've pointed this out.
Titan is stronger? No? Titan can be controled? No?

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Did you miss the part about the serviles (who are in just as much danger as the drakons) and yet they try to form a peaceful community hidden in the mountains?
Serviles situation is better than Drakons. Serviles are in danger as a sect while Drakons as a race. Big difference.

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The options you mentioned are not the only options, but they are the only ones the drakons understand.
What other options? Hide until they are found and killed?

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This makes sense though, considering that this is exactly what they were programmed to understand.
And serviles were programmed to obey, unfortunately shapers failed at programming.

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The fact that your PC controls drayks, drakons, and eyebeasts seems to be more of a gameplay issue that a storyline one.
It`s gameplay. I mean Drakons would kill you if they saw that your are creating new Drakons and enslaving them.
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
vld
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Member # 7950
 written Monday, April 2 2007 09:52 Profile #360
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Resources do apply to superiority. I'd say that someone able to make a bomb from household items is superior at bomb-making to someone who has to have a full lab and all sorts of chemicals, even if the first bomb is slightly inferior.
But game says that Drakons put more resources and more skills. That shows clearly that at that moment Drakons are superior in skills so resources doesn`t matter.

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simply dumping more power into existing creations creates a quantity of force, not a quality. Quality force would be force appropriate to a situation, such as, say, wingbolts (flying artillery), or war tralls (brutes with range). A quantity of force would be relying on one uber-creation for all situations. (I'm sure this can be explained better, if someone could help me out.)
Shapers built variety of creations because they couldn`t match unbound. To take on one creation they had to create many, much weaker creations. Drakons built one creation which is superior to everything shapers had ever created. If it was that easy to create unbound then we would see something even stronger among the creations of Shapers. But we don`t, why? Drakons are better at that.

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For example:
Pro-drakon point: We built the gazers!
Anti-human rebuttal: The gazers are just improvements on the vlish, so they don't count.

Well? Which is it?
None.

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This wasn't even an assumption, there simple aren't any drakons that don't fit those descriptions.
You realize that Drakons are in risk of extinction? They have 2 options :
A) Die
B) Die while fighting for right to live and maybe they`ll survive as a race.

And please, don`t say that you would rather die while kneeling and begging for mercy than fighting for right to live.

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I'm not wrong, you're quote simply doesn't hold the weight you thought it did. The game may indeed say that the drakons are skilled, but we have yet to see this skill manifest itself in any real accomplishments on their part.
We already saw, you are just refusing to accept that.
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
vld
Apprentice
Member # 7950
 written Monday, April 2 2007 03:35 Profile #340
Monarch used canisters but still he makes inferior creations than Drakons.
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
vld
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Member # 7950
 written Monday, April 2 2007 03:23 Profile #338
How resources are related to being superior being? Answer is simple, they are not related at all while skills are related.

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Is every person supposed to acknowledge every fact that has already been pointed out in everyone elses post?
So you agree that Drakons have superior skills?

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I still don't think this makes sense. The Shapers spend their time developing new tactical creations for use in a variety of situation, that's quality, is it not? Drakons focus more on dumping raw power into existing creation templates, this sounds more like quantity, does it not?
How can quality be many inferior creations? Do you have some problems with logic?

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Note that your quote says the drakons have far greater resources than Monarch. It is another testament to human superiority that while the drakons are stuggling to win the war despite many drakons working around the clock with the resources of entire provinces at their disposal, Monarch still manages to give pause to both them and the Shapers, conquoring almost an entire province by himself using nothing but his own willpower and a few machines in his basement.
And what happened when Drakons realeased their superior creations? They won a war?

I`m not saying that Drakons are superior, that is a debatable question but you with your "broken logic" ruined whole topic.
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
vld
Apprentice
Member # 7950
 written Sunday, April 1 2007 23:30 Profile #336
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Note that your quote says the drakons have far greater resources than Monarch.
I have been reading this topic from the very beggining and Emperor, your "style of discusing" is pathetic. Quote directly says that Drakons have more resources and superior skills but for no reason you ignore what quote says about skills and continue your nonsenses about resources.
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Geneforge Political Spectrum in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Member # 7950
 written Thursday, February 15 2007 23:09 Profile #24
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At this point, I am planning for Geneforge 5 to be the last game in the main story arc.
So Geneforge 6(yes, i`m speaking about distant future) might take place in another continent or after/before many years and be more like a sidestory?
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Which endings are considered canonical? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Member # 7950
 written Thursday, January 25 2007 08:45 Profile #5
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But really you should play all the games though as every faction at least once for the full experience.
And how many endings there are in each of them?
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00
Which endings are considered canonical? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Member # 7950
 written Wednesday, January 24 2007 01:26 Profile #0
While waiting for G4 on Windows i`m thinking about going through first 3 games in order to better understand world of Geneforge. I have heard that there are different endings in each game depening on which factions you ally with. So which endings in each game are considered to be canonical?

And yes, i`m not afraid of spoilers.
Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 24 2007 08:00