Avernum 5, April Update

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Shaper
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Apprentice
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ii. There is now a system of battle disciplines. People with high combat skills will be able to use special abilities. Some of them are cool enough that some mages will be tempted to train in pole weapons.

Indeed....very nice. I certainly don't advocate making the whole game a hack and slash fest, but more combat options will be a big plus. Any little hints about what these might be? Polearms are mentioned, perhaps some form of trip attack? or first strike ability?
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Shaper
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...or an ability where, if you have enough Pole Weapons skill, and a polearm equipped, you could keep enemies one or two squares away. I like the idea of that, especially for spell-casters.

Anyway, this all sounds wonderful Jeff, and as usual, I can't wait to see what you manage to come up with.

One note of speculation though: Starting position being opposite would indicate experienced rather than inexperienced, or Empire rather than Avernite... at least to me.

And secret doors!! Yay!!

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Law Bringer
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Originally written by Sage:

One note of speculation though: Starting position being opposite would indicate experienced rather than inexperienced, or Empire rather than Avernite... at least to me.
I think it could just mean something other than starting in a nice comfortable fort. I'm thinking about something similar for my next BoA piece... but probably not what Jeff is doing for A5.

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Shaper
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Or maybe Jeff could actually make staffs that aren't those useless ones you find in lizard pens sometimes. Magical ones that add to magic skills and whatnot.

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Warrior
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My Suggestions for Avernum 5:

Bring back secret doors! Jeff already said he's doing this, but even then I couldn't stress it enough; Exile/Avernum isn't the same without them.

No more Recycling! Recycling is good for the environment and the planet, but not in videogames. Avernum 5 shouldn't re-use any of the same graphics from any previous games except for the sprites and a select number of environmental graphics. To a lesser extent, ditto for sound. It's unthinkable that Jeff's newest games still use graphics and sounds from the original Exile!

Animate! This is 2007, yet having timed-animating sprites was standard issue for the most low-end games of 1997. You did it with Geneforge, and, as far as I can tell, you can surely pull it off nicely with Avernum 5. Oldbies might complain upon seeing an animating PC/NPC in their Avernum game, but they've got Exile 1-3 and Avernum 1-4 if they love it so much.

More than 4 people! This isn't strictly necessary in my mind, but I liked how in Exile you could have a nice, big party of up to six (though five was my sweet spot), and wasn't too crazy about the maximum of four adventurers in the Avernum remakes. It stuck around for game #4. Raise the bar for Avernum 5, Jeff?...I can always dream.

And what's up with Jeff not answering the questions on this thread lately? :P

[ Sunday, April 29, 2007 13:48: Message edited by: Verelor ]
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Originally by Verelor:

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And what's up with Jeff not answering the questions on this thread lately? :P
Dikiyoba hopes it means he's actually working on A5 instead. :P
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Law Bringer
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quote:
Originally written by Verelor:

No more Recycling! Recycling is good for the environment and the planet, but not in videogames. Avernum 5 shouldn't re-use any of the same graphics from any previous games except for the sprites and a select number of environmental graphics. To a lesser extent, ditto for sound. It's unthinkable that Jeff's newest games still use graphics and sounds from the original Exile!
Getting new graphics and sound is expensive. The old ones are perfectly serviceable. Not going to happen.

Also, what graphics do you mean? Sprites and terrain are almost all the graphics. You really want new graphics for the spell buttons?

I am 99% sure that no sound or graphics are left from E1. I'm pretty sure there aren't even any left from E3 except a handful of items.

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Animate! This is 2007, yet having timed-animating sprites was standard issue for the most low-end games of 1997. You did it with Geneforge, and, as far as I can tell, you can surely pull it off nicely with Avernum 5. Oldbies might complain upon seeing an animating PC/NPC in their Avernum game, but they've got Exile 1-3 and Avernum 1-4 if they love it so much.
Combat could be slightly more animated, maybe, but I think A4 pushes the limits of turn-based animation. Having everyone smoothly step one tile every time you move would look creepy.

—Alorael, who has gotten used to having only four characters. Having five in Nethergate feels crowded, and six seems positively unmanageable.
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Warrior
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Just a few of the sounds and item graphics from the original Exile, IIRC, are still left over in Avernum 4.

Your argument against sprite animation completely breaks down, I think, when you consider that all four Geneforge games have accomplished exactly what I am talking about with sweeping success.

And you may like having only four in a group (4 or 5 is the preference I have, myself), but that doesn't mean that a niche of people wouldn't like the feature the be there as an option, as many apparently did when playing Exile.
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Law Bringer
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Jeff's working on getting a new Nethergate: Resurrection beta ready for Monday. He wants to get this game out as soon as possible.

He'll respond to this thread when he feels like it.
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Law Bringer
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Animation works in G4 because movement is real-time, not turn-based. Animating turn-based movement would either slow things down painfully or become unspeakably bizarre-looking.

—Alorael, who agrees that A5 could have animated movement in combat. It just has to be limited to the times when only one thing is moving at a time.
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Warrior
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May I just ask one question- will there be more Slithzerikai/Nephilim sprites available than in Avernum 4?

It was kind of a letdown when creating a party of four Slithzerikai, and having only 2 sprites to choose from, or whatever they're called.

More is better!
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Law Bringer
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Jeff said that there would be more character sprites in A5 including at least 2 more for nephils and 2 more for sliths.
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Agent
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Originally written by 10 Minutes to Webster:

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—Alorael, who has gotten used to having only four characters. Having five in Nethergate feels crowded, and six seems positively unmanageable.

I just finished a Nethergate game with 6 characters. It gets really awkward in tight spaces, and nigh impossible to run away from dangerous rooms.

Still, I'm excited to hear that the starting position will be different! And the new Nephil and Slith graphics will be good. :)

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Warrior
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Who says Avernum 5 has to have turn-based movement? :)

It won't ruin the Avernum 'feel', I can promise; not if he brings back secret doors, torhces/spells for lighting, and elevation.
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Apprentice
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And another question - will Avernum 5 go back to minimized overland + zooming into dungeon/city/whatever mapwise?

I know Avernum is a cave, but instead of the majestic vastness of cave-space of Avernum 1-3, Avernum 4 just felt cramped. :(

The feeling just aint the same if running through a city five times is almost as long as running to the next city.
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Different starting position? Hmm, maybe we'll get to start out at Fort Remote–that's pretty far away from previous ones! :D

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A weird thought just struck me...

Jeff said that the Anama are back. He also said the starting position would be completely different.

Am I the only who's imaging a connection between these two sentiments?

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Law Bringer
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*shudder*

Not completely sure I want to start in that position.

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I suppose any joke about positions that one wouldn't want to be in is too obvious here. I will restrain myself. :(

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What is this, the Anama Sutra?

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Warrior
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What about multiple endings and factions? Like in Geneforge where the factions and what you did for them affected the final outcome. Maybe the player will have the choice of either keeping the peace between Avernum and the Empire, or one or Avernite sepratist / oldschool Empire loyalist who want the other side completely wiped out. Maybe even working for the Vahnati to turn Avernum and The empire against each other!

As for the new starting point, I'm guessing the player starts in Valorim at the new Avernite settlement they were thinking of building up there.
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Shaper
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Considering that Jeff specifically stated that they would be exploring a new section of the caves, odds are low that they would start on the surface.

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quote:
Originally written by Nioca:

Considering that Jeff specifically stated that they would be exploring a new section of the caves, odds are low that they would start on the surface.
I don't see why. In E/A3 you start in the caves but spend most of the game exploring the surface.

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