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? Man, ? Amazing
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written Thursday, November 8 2007 22:37
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quote:It isn't the Chinese that are doing it. It is people in China, who may be Chinese or some other nationality. My understanding is that a cheaper adhesive was used in the manufacturing process, which of course still begs the question of why that substance is in glue. Now, paste I would understand. But glue? -------------------- Synergy, et al - "I don't get it." Thralni - "a lot of people are ... too weird to be trusted" Posts: 4114 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Thursday, November 8 2007 22:39
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quote:Rape is the felony, but if the GHB causes death then it goes to life unless you are in a death penalty state like Texas. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, November 9 2007 07:04
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quote:Actually, it was someone quoting someone who mentioned you and quoted someone else. And then replying to me. -------------------- "Of course, not all technology is good. Some is exactly the opposite (bad)." — Dave Barry Posts: 458 | Registered: Friday, August 6 2004 07:00 |
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written Friday, November 9 2007 09:21
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quote:Same here. For years now, my father has been making wooden toys as a hobby. I practically grew up in his workshop, and actually helped make some of the toys I played with. -------------------- Either I'm crazy, or everybody else is nuts. And I know I'm not crazy because the little man who lives on my shoulder told me so. If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you. Oh well. Another day, another dementia. Posts: 558 | Registered: Friday, September 15 2006 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Friday, November 9 2007 15:47
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quote:Good for Texas, but rape should always carry the death penalty regardless of how it was committed. [ Friday, November 09, 2007 15:47: Message edited by: Excalibur ] -------------------- "On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and the tossing of the sea" Luke 21:25 Posts: 1384 | Registered: Tuesday, February 6 2007 08:00 |
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written Friday, November 9 2007 15:51
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quote:And encourage more rapists to kill their victims, since if they're already getting the death penalty they've got nothing more to lose by eliminating the main witness? Yeah, that's gonna work real well. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, November 9 2007 17:12
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quote:... I was going to start a debate about the death penalty, but I failed to remove personal outrage from my argument, so there. [ Friday, November 09, 2007 17:14: Message edited by: Arancaytar ] -------------------- The Noble and Ancient Order of Polaris - We're Not Yet Dead. Encyclopedia • Blades Forge • Archives • Stats • RSS (This Topic / Forum) • Blog • NaNoWriMo Did-chat thentagoespyet jumund fori is jus, hat onlime gly nertan ne gethen Firyoubbit 'obio.' Decorum deserves a whole line of my signature, and an entry in your bookmarks. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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? Man, ? Amazing
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written Friday, November 9 2007 17:24
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I would posit that your outrage stems from the lack of universal death penalty. -------------------- Synergy, et al - "I don't get it." Thralni - "a lot of people are ... too weird to be trusted" Posts: 4114 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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written Friday, November 9 2007 17:42
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Executing individuals from within a prison is difficult. Mail is filtered, and usually an incarcerated person doesn't have the money to hire a hitman. The only likely situation is if the offender is a member of a gang. But along with rape, murder should be a crime carrying the death penalty. If the legal system worked that way, society would be better off. The country of Brunei carries a mandatory death penalty for drug dealing, and because of it, Brunei enjoys the absence of illicit drugs. Like drug dealers, rapists are often repeat offenders, and eliminating is better for humanity. -------------------- "On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and the tossing of the sea" Luke 21:25 Posts: 1384 | Registered: Tuesday, February 6 2007 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, November 9 2007 18:31
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quote:Your point is noted and rejected. -------------------- The Noble and Ancient Order of Polaris - We're Not Yet Dead. Encyclopedia • Blades Forge • Archives • Stats • RSS (This Topic / Forum) • Blog • NaNoWriMo Did-chat thentagoespyet jumund fori is jus, hat onlime gly nertan ne gethen Firyoubbit 'obio.' Decorum deserves a whole line of my signature, and an entry in your bookmarks. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, November 9 2007 18:48
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quote:You're kidding, right? The thing is, rapists who kill their victims almost always do so immediately after the rape occurs. This way, they don't have to worry about prisons filtering their mail, because the hope is, since the victim and only witness is dead, they will not go to prison in the first place. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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? Man, ? Amazing
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written Friday, November 9 2007 18:55
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Excalibur - If you are suggesting that extra-judicial execution is being pondered, do so somewhere else. -------------------- Synergy, et al - "I don't get it." Thralni - "a lot of people are ... too weird to be trusted" Posts: 4114 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Friday, November 9 2007 19:28
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I'd like to take a moment to point out that the vast majority of rapes are not committed by strangers in dark alleyways. The vast majority of rapes are acquaintance rapes, and are almost never connected to murder. That said, I think Thuryl's point is pretty valid. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central "Making poorly-sourced claims is not the same as determining something." Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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written Friday, November 9 2007 19:33
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Rape should be punished severely, and anyways, we don't need worthless condemned people getting free health care, food, and at the same time suck up billions in tax dollars. -------------------- "On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and the tossing of the sea" Luke 21:25 Posts: 1384 | Registered: Tuesday, February 6 2007 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, November 9 2007 19:40
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Don't forget all the false rape cases out there. The Duke University lacrosse team case had DNA evidence "proving" that they had the right people until it came out that the prosecuter was lying. If you want to add the death penalty, then you need to toughen the standards of proof. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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? Man, ? Amazing
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written Friday, November 9 2007 19:45
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quote:Or accept that mistakes will be made, and society will acknowledge the consequences. That would certainly go over well... -------------------- Synergy, et al - "I don't get it." Thralni - "a lot of people are ... too weird to be trusted" Posts: 4114 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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written Friday, November 9 2007 19:48
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The prosecutor is not the only individual who has knowledge of the evidence. Someone else could have informed the legal system that the DNA evidence was false, which makes it quite strange that such a person can elude ascertainment of his/her crime for such a long time. -------------------- "On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and the tossing of the sea" Luke 21:25 Posts: 1384 | Registered: Tuesday, February 6 2007 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, November 9 2007 19:55
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It's a matter of how evidence is routed. The DNA testing is sent to the prosecution to be copied and sent to the defense. The defense accepts in good faith that it's recieving all the evidence unless it has reason to believe that there is a mistake and can afford to do independent testing. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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written Friday, November 9 2007 20:36
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Yes, but the forensic scientists who tested the DNA probably saw the media attention concerning the case, isn't it possible for them to have known that the evidence testified by the prosecutor was false. Concerning capital punishment, there are going to be false and/or illegal imprisonments regardless of technology, punishment, corruption, and various other factors. If I felt that the consequences for rape were too harsh, I could apply the same argument. Mandatory death penalty would be difficult to incorporate into the United States justice system, due to criminals protesting the eight amendment to the constitution. There are also, as Randomizer mentioned, dishonest government officials. Proving the defendant guilty in rape cases is easier these days with DNA testing. However, if a rape kit is not performed, proving cases with DNA becomes more difficult. Evidence can also be tampered with and become invalid. Yet in spite of all this, the majority of convicted criminals probably are guilty of the crime. How would we improve the justice system to the point that there is a dramatic decrease in false convictions? The U.S. government does execute criminals who have committed severe criminal offenses, usually terrorists and serial killers. Do you disagree with execution in this situation? Some may argue that death is a cruel and unusual punishment. However, the crime inflicted upon the victim is cruel and unusual, is it not? A point that I made earlier, is that keeping rapists and murderers in prison cells cost tax dollars. Their health is taken care of, as well as food, and even recreational activities. There is also a minute risk that a criminal will escape and commit more crimes. Many victims of rape are in fact murdered, but having the death penalty would not affect the number of these incidents. The reasons being that: -Yes, some will rape without giving any care because they know that they're going to die anyways. -However, many would be deterred knowing that they won't live, or even be sentenced to less than life and have freedom again. Relate to older times, when the death penalty was widely acceptable. There were much more falsely convicted people, but crime rates weren't rampant like they are today. The reason being, the rapists were all dead. Most of all, you're probably viewing me as a hypocrite because of my religion. However, God commanded the Jews to stone rapists (In certain situations it did not apply), murderers, homosexuals, people caught having sexual relations with animals, and people who disobeyed the priests. -------------------- "On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and the tossing of the sea" Luke 21:25 Posts: 1384 | Registered: Tuesday, February 6 2007 08:00 |
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written Friday, November 9 2007 20:45
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quote:My advice: Only take the law into your own hands as a last resort, but in that case don't be afraid to do it. If that is what's being suggested here. I support Excalibur's position on this issue, although Thuryl and Yama Toman? had good points. However, I think the death penalty is still a good idea for the following reason. Suppose this guy and girl are on a date. The girl is shy and not very outspoken, whereas the guy feels a bit reckless. They find themselves alone, and they get a little physical. She doesn't complain, but really doesn't want it to go any farther. Suddenly, he makes a move she isn't expecting, and they end up having sex. She is too shocked to fight back, but then she runs away crying afterwards. Maybe I'm making too fine a distinction here, but it seems that if he knew that would get him killed, he would think twice before pushing so hard. Yeah, prison sucks, but you can always get parole or whatever, and with a good lawyer who knows? After all, this would be a tricky case to judge. Whereas a death penalty is a death penalty. And to people who think this life is all they have, that is infinitely more scary than any amount of jail time. -------------------- "We were meant to live for so much more. Have we lost ourselves?" - Switchfoot ---- My poetry Posts: 432 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2007 07:00 |
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written Friday, November 9 2007 22:37
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quote:Try implementing this, and watch the conviction rate for rape fall even lower than it already has. There's enough community sympathy for that kind of rapist (especially if he's young, good-looking and rich) that a jury simply isn't going to convict if they know he's going to get the death penalty if they do. The problem in rape cases, by and large, is not sentencing: the problem is getting a conviction in the first place. Harsher sentences are only going to make juries even more reluctant to convict. (And if we managed to get a conviction and hand out a death penalty for every acquaintance rape, we'd have to execute millions of men in America alone.) [ Friday, November 09, 2007 22:39: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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written Friday, November 9 2007 22:46
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I suppose you're right. After all, America's law is largely emotion-driven, unlike many cultures (such as the Shapers... :P ) -------------------- "We were meant to live for so much more. Have we lost ourselves?" - Switchfoot ---- My poetry Posts: 432 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2007 07:00 |
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written Friday, November 9 2007 22:49
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Tack on an extenuating circumstance that one party is drunk and there is even less likelyhood that the person will think about their actions. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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written Friday, November 9 2007 22:55
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Agreed. Alcohol can make these cases unbelievably complicated, as I've seen in the news more than once. -------------------- "We were meant to live for so much more. Have we lost ourselves?" - Switchfoot ---- My poetry Posts: 432 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2007 07:00 |
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? Man, ? Amazing
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written Friday, November 9 2007 23:01
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quote:What on earth does that mean? -------------------- Synergy, et al - "I don't get it." Thralni - "a lot of people are ... too weird to be trusted" Posts: 4114 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |