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Originally written by Cairo Jim:

By the way, the reason the Churches aren't to happy towards homosexualti is probably because there is a Commandment that says "Thou shall not commit adultery."
Churches' opinions do not bear any legal weight.

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People, stop paying attention to Cairo Jim. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

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By Maimodes:
Churches' opinions do not bear any legal weight
Yes, in a narrow/strict sense this is true but in a political sense they carry much persuasive power. As a group with interest they can receive standing in court cases, make presentations on bills, motivate demonstrations etc. So, in the broader sense in determining the fate of a bill the cncerns of this political force should be taken into account/addressed in some manner.

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Cairo Jim said nothing about legality. He gave a reason why churches tend to frown on homosexuality, and in churches churches' opinions hold a great deal of weight.

It's not a good reason, but it's a reason.

—Alorael, who can pick much better passages for opposing homosexuality. Nitpicking is possible, of course, but not quite as easy as with a commandment that doesn't mention homosexuality.
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Originally written by Cairo Jim:

By the way, the reason the Churches aren't to happy towards homosexualti is probably because there is a Commandment that says "Thou shall not commit adultery."
Churches' opinions in general aren't very weighty, but I have to ask: Why that particular passage? Alo's right in saying there are others much more specific, and I can't see how adultery is related.

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Originally written by Drow:

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Originally written by Cairo Jim:

By the way, the reason the Churches aren't to happy towards homosexualti is probably because there is a Commandment that says "Thou shall not commit adultery."
Churches' opinions in general aren't very weighty, but I have to ask: Why that particular passage? Alo's right in saying there are others much more specific, and I can't see how adultery is related.

Easy. Same-sex intercourse is adultery (or, strictly speaking, fornication) because people of the same sex can't get married, and they can't get married because... well, that's where you have to turn to the other passages, isn't it? :P

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That's pretty much on the same track, Thuryl. Fornication would be under adultery.

By the way Ash, I do know what I'm talking about.

[ Saturday, July 01, 2006 22:13: Message edited by: Cairo Jim ]

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Fornication is a general offense in which two individuals not married to each other engage in intercourse. Adultery is a subcategory of fornication, specifically sex in which at least one of the participants is married to a third party. There is no inherent difference between homosexual fornication or adultery and heterosexual fornication or adultery unless you presuppose the impossibility of same sex marriage.

So I've really reiterated what Thuryl said and made clear that adultery is under fornication, not vice versa.

If fornication or adultery are the problems, you'd think same sex marriage would be encouraged! It's not as though all these sinful gays are refusing to go to the altar.

—Alorael, who wonders how long it will be before some conservative legislator tries to make pre- or extra-marital sex illegal. No, make that unconstitutional.
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Since the attempt to make burning a piece of cloth unconstitutional only lost by one vote, I can see a no-fornication one doing scarily well too.

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Much of the same reasoning behind a ban on gay marriage could be used to create a ban on fornication ("Traditional sex is under attack!") and it wouldn't have the same united opposition of the gay community.

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Agh, meant to edit and quoted instead.

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It would probably have the opposition of just about everyone. Considering the Texas Supreme Court struck down a Texas Law prohibiting sodomy, I can't see any laws regulating fornication coming onto the books any time soon. Per Grizwold v. Connecticut, the right to privacy has more or less been found to be a constitutional right, and that includes what goes on in the bedroom.
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The fact that it's been found blatantly unconstitutional doesn't mean that no one would support it.

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If people are going to argue for and make laws and regulations with that belief in mind (and not take human nature into account), they might as well stop being somewhat sneaky about it and declare their intent openly. Enough with the "Oh no, we can't teach kids about birth control in school. It would encourage the wrong behavior!" sort of stuff.

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Fortunately for us unrepentent fornicators, the hypocrisy of those against fornication takes a lot of the bite out of their bark. I don't exactly see them signing up in droves for new Shaker communities.
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Don't be silly. Sex is okay as long as you're married, it's intended for procreation only, and you have no fun at all.

Actually, that might explain a few things about life on Capitol Hill

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If you take the sex out of Capitol Hill, who knows what mischief they might otherwise get into? Attractive, young summer interns are vital to the continued wellbeing of the nation.
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Says the lawyer in DC!

—Alorael, who can see the career ahead of AM now. Shady backroom deals, nubile interns, and pork barrel politics. And gay marriage!
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Congratulations, Alo: you've just succeeded in giving a whole new meaning to the phrase "pork barrel".

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The Bible (OT) does have a specific commandment forbidding homosexually as an abomination.

As to sex on Capitol Hill, as Newt Gingrich once told his mistress he want only oral sex so he could truthfully say he never slept with her. He said this during the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal.

Besides without congressional sex scandals they would have to go home to their wives. And their wives are busy with Hillary's husband.
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Be fair to Mr. Clinton. He had no affairs with anyone wielding significant political power. Marriage, yes. Affairs, no.

The Bible has all kinds of rules and regulations. We gleefully ignore most of them. Especially the OT ones.

—Alorael, who enjoys his bacon on Yom Kippur and his pork barrels (in any sense you'd like, Thuryl) any time. Well, not really, but it makes a good story.
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Originally written by Cairo Jim:

By the way Ash, I do know what I'm talking about.
No. You don't.

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Yes, I do.

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It has already been pointed out to you that adultery and homosexuality are not the same. Don't make me do it again.

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Originally written by Ash Lael:

quote:
Originally written by Cairo Jim:

By the way Ash, I do know what I'm talking about.
No. You don't.

You are not Maimonides.
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