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I just found out today spidweb is making a4. I thought this was just one of those "what if they made" things. This is so cool! :) :) :)

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Oh! I hadn't realised he was dead. When did he die?

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Depending on whom you ask, around 1882 or before.

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I'd say waaaay before. :)

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Ben, what sort of alerephilic, dunderheaded nincompoop are you?

Click the friggin' link, for the love of christ.

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But I suspect that even religionists would not find too much difference with the sentiment (although perhaps with the expression) in "God is dead," namely:

"[Nietzsche] talking about what this god represented for European culture, the shared cultural belief in God which had once been its defining and uniting characteristic."

EDIT: I feel a little better about Avernum 4, now, by the way. I hate topic derailment.

EDIT 2: Also, in the direction of the account known as - : did you even READ the topic before today? The first post talks about how we know that A4 is in production.

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I am still hoping for a strategic and complex combat system. I know many people dislike overly complicated turn-based games, but SW games like Geneforge are just too simple in tactics for the work done on the dialogue and such.

One day, Jeff should give us a good answer why he decided to go against his previous promise to not make a 4th game in the Exile/Avernum series. But I'm sure he'll just say, "Judging from the amount of fans for Avernum 3 who wanted another game, I thought making Avernum 4 would be worth lots of money."

And I think Ben has either zealot like issues, or loves flaunting his fake devotion.

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And I think Ben has either zealot like issues, or loves flaunting his fake devotion.
From what he's been posting all the time he's here, I'd say it's the real thing. No fake zealot would have that much energy and fervor. 800 years ago, he'd have made an excellent witch hunter. :)

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Jeff got one of these Story About A Baby . If you have one then you usually want more. Kids cost money. Thus a focus on creating new ways to make money. Thus Avernum 4, Geneforge 4, and probably more. There is nothing like children to get a man going on creating cash. Promises to not develop things go away when you think of college.

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I've said it before -- having children doesn't absolve one from being unscrupulous for the sake of profit.
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That's why I say, stay single! :P

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That's why I say, stay single!
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Staying single isn't necessary. Autosterilization is. Basically slop your jewels into the microwave and nuke 'em for 15 seconds or so, and you'll never reproduce.

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Neither are they nuclear. At least not the ones I'm familiar with.

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There are better ways to sterilize oneself. But I don't know of any off the top of my head that will be medically safe or relatively painless.

Fortunately, I have heard of an experiment in which the participants soaked their entire scrotum into a vat of hot, though certainly not boiling, water for just shy of an hour per day. Then the procedure is unclear, but the conducters of the experiment in one way or another determined that the participants were temporarily sterile.

Within a month of foregoing the daily "treatments", they were fertile once again.

For Avernum 4, I hope for some actual AI tweaking opportunities rather than scripted special events. I wish he would include a few of the now standard RPG skills, spells, and effects present in games like Dink Smallwood or the Final Fantasy series ones. In particular, I'd like spells that manipulate health between characters and a good cursing spelll, e.g., Life Sucking spell, Extremely Unlucky Voodoo Charm, etc.

Poison and acid should be more effective in combat against the monsters. Strong poisons and such can be deadly for an unprepared party, but NPCs can afford to lose some of their forces every few turns while the party cannot. I would actually be willing to accept having the monsters take poison and acid damage at a faster rate than the party to balance this out.

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I bet the ladies just love you.
Of course, of course. :P

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Hope springs eternal
(this regarding the death of a begin who was never alive to being with and a good A4)

Understandable that Jeff needs the money to maintain a family and so on.
However, that doesn't necessarily mean he has to. . . for the love of what is lovable, what of BoA, then? It began to grow, we've got a scenario on the quality list. So, then what?
Is this like Lucas? Where he does what he want with his movies and everything else exists in some kind of weird kind of sort of parallel universe with perpendicular and traversing moments?

Okay, so Nethergate didn't do so hot for him.
But Exile, way back, an original game (in as far, to avoid controversy on the original part, that he hadn't made a prequel before he did Exile) did good for him. Enough to merit #2

Geneforge, which was also original, did also do good enough for 2 and soon 3.

So he could have gone and done an original game and if it was good, and taking into account that his consumer base is higher now than with Nethergae, it would have sold well. Heck he could have created a third franchise.

Bah. I'm probably gonna love it and be here some months from now defending it.

At least it looks like he has revamped, graphics wise, Geneforge slightly. At least the characters are displayed in a different way than the other two.

Enjoy them!

Edit: in the second line, the "g" of begin was toying with me and placed itself at the end of the word, thus completely altering the meaning of the sentence with possible apocalyptic results.

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Woah Deja Vu.

This conversation is so similar to another discussion on something completely different that it is scary.

With A4 I wouldn't mind if it visited the other continents or followed the Avernum/Slith War.

Or maybe not.

Another idea I've had is that the game starts just after King Micah dies. From what I've heard his only(?) son sounds rather unsuitable for the job. There would be civil war with all of Avernum divided over who should rule over Avernum.

I've been wondering, could it be possible that A4 is a cover story for another project he is working on?

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I think it would be neat if A4 took place in the future. Maybe this has been said before, I dunno. But what if there were guns, big buildings, transportation systems, etc? I think it would be nice to have something that borrows from FF7. Guns and swords. Maybe he will have so big of a world, Ernest's hut will be replaced with vehicles. However, this would also steal away from what Exile/Avernum is really about.

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SW needs an extended storyboard plan that works, so more plot can take place. Maybe a topic could be devoted to this purpose?

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well, first off, hello all, I'm a bit new here on the forums :)

now then, after that briefe introduction, time to get the opinion on;

Now, I havent read through the entirety of this thread, only the first, and last page- but, from those two, I gather that feelings are mixed about A4- well, why is that; personally, as a long time fan of the Exile,Nethergate, and Avernum series (the only fantast games that have ever really appealed to me, and the only games that keep me coming back for more- other then civ3) I cant say just how happy I am about it!

Its been a dream of mine for a while that new Avernum game would come out- somthign more bulky, and dare I say, enjoyable, and engrossing then many BOA/BOE scenarios (of whice only the "spheres trilogy" by ye olde brett bixler engrossed me very much) to come out- and persoanlly, I'm hopeing that it will take up the major plot lien that was left dropped off after Avernum/Exile 3-

-the Vahnatai-

It seems to me that the best candidate for a next game takes place in a great war between the Vahnatai, and Avernum/the Empire- or perhaps just the empire, as no one said Avernum still wouldnt be annexed by them, after the peace came about ;)

after all- Avernum 3 is all about Avernum and the Empire getting together tomakeone big happy, well managed by non insane rulers, empire- and that the empire and the avernites just made a blood fued with the vahnatai- it woudl make sense that a new game woudl take place then.

of course, a prequel dealing with the intial settlement of Avernum woudl be cool as well- or evena game deal with the birth/intial expansion of the empire itself...

now, i could by wrong, and wouldnt be surprised if I am- but thats just what it seems to me like what the most likelly candidate would be, and, regardless, would make a very awesome game :)
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Originally written by Wham Bam Shizam v 2.0:

I think it would be neat if A4 took place in the future. Maybe this has been said before, I dunno. But what if there were guns, big buildings, transportation systems, etc? I think it would be nice to have something that borrows from FF7. Guns and swords. Maybe he will have so big of a world, Ernest's hut will be replaced with vehicles. However, this would also steal away from what Exile/Avernum is really about.
not to take away, but its always seemed to me like magic was the "technology" in Avernum- after all, the empire and the vahantai at least both control a fair number magical "factories", with attendent lazer beams, communcation crytals, and portals for rapid transportation- heck, if you compare, the lifestyle of a mage is probaly somthign to be envied by even the most rich and powerful, with all the tech needs and watns addressed in full...

besides FF7 sucks ;)

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