Religion, Homosexuality, Etc.
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Shaper
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written Thursday, February 26 2004 16:29
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I just posted on the AOL message boards, in regards to the recent marriage of Rosie O'Donnel and Kelli Carpenter. There are hundreds and hundreds of posts saying "AH IT SI EVOL BKUZ TEH BAIBUL SEZ SO". I responded like this (note that since underlining is not allowed by UBB code, I surrounded the paragraph I said is underlined with asterisks instead): quote: -------------------- My BoE graphics archive is finally getting started! Yay! I hope you like my graphics.My BoE Graphics An absurdly fun Flash game- Refridgerator Raid! --------- The Lyceum- A board for BoE. Yes it is. Really. Stop staring at me! Stop it, I say! Oh, sorry... Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!
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written Thursday, February 26 2004 17:50
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...Your point being? (Also, on that last section, mostly extremists believe that. You all know that I'm Christian, but I also believe that actions, thoughts, etc., not just faith, get a person into Heaven. Faith helps, of course, but it's not absolutely necessary.) -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL Les forum de la chance. Incaseofemergency,breakglass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Shock Trooper
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written Thursday, February 26 2004 17:57
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quote: -------------------- -TEH BOOGEYMAN STRIKES AGAIN -------------------- And then there's always a Chance nearby... Posts: 245 | Registered: Tuesday, February 17 2004 08:00 |
Babelicious
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written Thursday, February 26 2004 18:08
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Most of those translations are plain-language translations or revisions of the two major Biblical translations: the Catholic translation (sold in the US as the New American Bible) or the King James translation. The most egregious offender is the Living Bible, which deliberately mistranslated sections referring to homosexuality. -------------------- You are my precious thing Thing of speed and beauty, You are my precious thing As long as you remain beneath me -- Big Black Posts: 999 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
Guardian
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written Thursday, February 26 2004 20:54
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quote:It irks me severely that so many people, uneducated on the finer points of religions like Hinduism and Buddhism, assume they're just saying all the same things that the Abrahamic religions are. You'll never find anything in any Hindu or Buddhist scripture even hinting that non-believers will end up in Hell, or will even suffer any sort of disadvantage for being non-believers in the faith. The refined modern version of Hinduism also does not include the concept of Hell. Please, get your facts down before you post any such tommyrot again. [ Thursday, February 26, 2004 20:55: Message edited by: A Stughalfian Principle ] -------------------- "Let a man find himself, in distinction from others, on top of two wheels with a chain- at least in a poor country like Russia- and his vanity begins to swell out like his tires. In America it takes an automobile to produce this effect."- Leon Trotsky Posts: 1798 | Registered: Sunday, October 5 2003 07:00 |
Apprentice
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written Friday, February 27 2004 07:09
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quote:There is nothing in the bible that says anything about the pope and his "infallible"-ness. The pope is the creation of the catholics. Many of us acknowledge him as a 'leader' among Christians, but very few of us see him as being above the bible, as the Catholics do. quote:The Bible is not translated by taking a translation and translating it. They take a bible in Greek or Latin (for the New Testment) or Hebrew (Old Testament). The translations are done from the oldest copies they have, not from new 'easier to copy' ones. [ Friday, February 27, 2004 07:09: Message edited by: -Red Mage- ] -------------------- All hail to me, for my best time in MineSweeper is 150 :) The Supreme Rule Posts: 46 | Registered: Monday, February 23 2004 08:00 |
This Side Towards Enemy
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written Friday, February 27 2004 08:55
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I feel I should also point out that the English translations of the bible don't come from German. The first English and German bibles were produced at around the same time, both from the Greek or Latin texts. Newer texts come straight from Greek. As to the missing books, it's undeniable some are missing. There's a reference to the book of Jasher and although there is a book of that name, it's a 12th century forgery. It may be a mistranslation of Joshua, or it may just be lost. There are also several other books. My fundie bible takes the interesting viewpoint that 'it's OK, because they're not important.' The selection process for bible books was flawed. If it was attributed to an apostle it stood a better chance of getting in, but that didn't mean the apostle wrote it. Matthew didn't write the Gospel and it's unlikely John did. It certainly wasn't the apostle who wrote the Apocalypse of Saint John or, most likely, the letters. It's doubtful that Jude wrote his epistle or that Peter wrote any of his, Timothy is no longer confidently ascribed to Paul, nor is Titus, and if there was any concrete information on James there'd probably be proof he didn't write it. This doesn't invalidate them, but you have to wonder. -------------------- Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned I'll tell you my story, man Though I wish I'd never been born I'm loose at the seams, I've broken my dreams And my hand it shakes the pen Come on, come on now baby, Let the good times roll again Posts: 961 | Registered: Thursday, June 12 2003 07:00 |
Shaper
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written Friday, February 27 2004 11:19
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Stughalf, I didn't mean literally that everyone thinks everyone is going to Hell. Obviously, those that don't believe in Hell aren't going to think that people will go there. What I meant was that the majority of people insist that they are right and that everyone else is wrong, when it comes to religion, which is understandable. If they thought they were wrong, they wouldn't believe it. Also worthy of note is the fact that everybody on that message board is either a Christian who says homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says so, or a Christian who doesn't believe it's wrong. But everyone there is a Christian. Don't ask why. I don't know, nor do I really care. If anyone was offended by that, sorry. But the post wasn't actually directed at anyone here, except the fundies. The main point I was trying to make is that everyone else thinks they're right just as much as you think you're right, and it's not likely to change. We'll all find out who was right when we die, so just try to get along and let people believe what they want to believe until then. At any rate, I've been having a bit of a nervous breakdown lately. I'm probably going to take a break from the community for a while, until my thoughts are in order again. Goodbye. -------------------- My BoE graphics archive is finally getting started! Yay! I hope you like my graphics.My BoE Graphics An absurdly fun Flash game- Refridgerator Raid! --------- The Lyceum- A board for BoE. Yes it is. Really. Stop staring at me! Stop it, I say! Oh, sorry... Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
Agent
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written Friday, February 27 2004 11:42
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Alright then, goodbye ADoS. -------------------- 73|-| 1|\|\/1|\|<1|3|_3 |30063y|\/|4|\| AHEM: Chance Forums! -Reality Corp. Posts: 1307 | Registered: Tuesday, May 7 2002 07:00 |
Warrior
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written Friday, February 27 2004 11:45
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Okay yes, i agree, i am an agnostic and who cares what people do with their own lives, as long as its not hurting anybody else. Also, y'all mite want to shorten up your posts a little bit so more people will actually take in what you're trying to say. -------------------- If your buddy is trying to hook up with a girl, you may sabotage him only in a manner that gives you no chances of getting any either. -The Code Pahk ya cah in hahvad yahd?? What ah ya? retahded?! Can't figure out the other sex? Check out ladder theory! [URL=http://www.laddertheory.com[/URL] Posts: 114 | Registered: Wednesday, June 18 2003 07:00 |
Guardian
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written Friday, February 27 2004 11:50
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quote:Some of us here are indeed capable of reading and absorbing the information contained within a block of text longer than five lines, thank you. And later, ADoS. -------------------- "Let a man find himself, in distinction from others, on top of two wheels with a chain- at least in a poor country like Russia- and his vanity begins to swell out like his tires. In America it takes an automobile to produce this effect."- Leon Trotsky Posts: 1798 | Registered: Sunday, October 5 2003 07:00 |
Warrior
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written Friday, February 27 2004 13:59
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My bad, sorry about that ignorant quote. -------------------- If your buddy is trying to hook up with a girl, you may sabotage him only in a manner that gives you no chances of getting any either. -The Code Pahk ya cah in hahvad yahd?? What ah ya? retahded?! Can't figure out the other sex? Check out ladder theory! [URL=http://www.laddertheory.com[/URL] Posts: 114 | Registered: Wednesday, June 18 2003 07:00 |
Erudite*
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written Friday, February 27 2004 14:58
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quote:...Which is what everyone here was doing until you insulted the Christian religion. You were really the only one saying Christians are wrong and you're right, so follow your own advice and let people believe what they want. [ Friday, February 27, 2004 14:59: Message edited by: xxo ] -------------------- The Club of All Chance Forums I was once member #2475, but then my account was deleted because of a bug. Post count=406+whatever it says below. Posts: 402 | Registered: Thursday, May 29 2003 07:00 |
...b10010b...
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written Friday, February 27 2004 16:22
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Well, let me put it this way. Suppose you think a friend has a serious problem with alcohol. Your friend denies it, claiming to be just a social drinker. Would you just let your friend kill himself with alcohol on the basis that you had no right to interfere, or would you try to help by whatever means you could, even if he didn't appreciate your help at the time? How is the situation different when you think they have a serious sinning problem instead? As far as I can see, any Christian who believes non-Christians go to hell and doesn't try to convert them is a hypocrite. Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
Infiltrator
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written Friday, February 27 2004 16:37
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I agree that Christians that don't do crap to help sinners have absolutely no place in condemning them (though they don't really have any place at all) Anyway, to change the subject, here's a picture of ME!!! Frahhamn -------------------- Being sexy isn't easy, but someone's got to do it. Posts: 635 | Registered: Monday, October 15 2001 07:00 |
Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!
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written Friday, February 27 2004 17:59
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I completely agree with Thuryl on that, as most of you know. That goes for smoking, suicide, etc. as well, but those only affect this life; if you believe in an eternal afterlife, that's quite a bit more important. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL Les forum de la chance. Incaseofemergency,breakglass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
For Carnage, Apply Within
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written Friday, February 27 2004 18:05
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The difference, Thuryl, is that anyone with common sense will say that alcoholism is a bad thing. Unless you're going to be close-minded, you have to admit that millions of people, many of them probably a good deal smarter than you, will disagree with any belief system you adopt. Trying to shape the world based on personal conviction rather than practical consensus is what has given us gems like the Inquisition, the Holocaust, and Reaganomics -------------------- We were once Mao Posts: 567 | Registered: Friday, October 5 2001 07:00 |
Law Bringer
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written Friday, February 27 2004 18:25
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When you can accuse and receive a defensive response, you may be justified. "You drink to much!" followed by "No I don't!" is a good sign that you're on the right track. "You haven't let Jesus into your heart!" followed by "Sure I have!" is the same thing. If your accusation can be met with a counter-accusation, it's best to leave well enough alone. "You need to go to church!" is not very good when the rejoinder is "No, you need to go to synagogue," or "No, you're a sanctimonious believer in an obviously false doctrine." Live and let live. Look at the number of religions extant, and realize that the odds are against you having it right. —Alorael, who is sure that God(s) get(s) a lot of amusement from religious squabbles. Well, assuming He is or They are cynic(s). But just look at the world. Isn't it obvious that He is or They are? Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
BANNED
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written Friday, February 27 2004 18:37
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He... ...or It, or She -------------------- We're all amazed but not amused By all the things that you said you'd do. You're much concerned but not involved by Decisions that are made by you But we are sick and tired of hearing your song, Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong, 'Cause if you really want to hear our views, You haven't done nothin'. Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
Warrior
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written Saturday, February 28 2004 04:58
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Religion? Give it up. No matter what it is, it's useless. We're better off without it. It gets in the way of technological advancement and population control. (This isn't The Time Before the Industrial Revolution, folks, we Don't Need all Those People!) Homosexuality? Hmm. Tough one. That reminds me of something that Ancient Sparta was supposed to do where a man would teach a boy. If that'll be done, do the same with girls, and have the boys and girls marry when they grow up. (And that last sentence was as much a bit of, well, continuing when I should have stopped.) Or have them not marry. -------------------- And that was exactly the point of itself. Takes advantage of the easily offended. Posts: 137 | Registered: Monday, November 17 2003 08:00 |
Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!
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written Saturday, February 28 2004 08:16
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"Better off without it"? You make it sound like a tool, or a law, or an old shoe or something. Surprising as it may seem, some people actually believe in God. As for the last lines in that paragraph, don't you know that abstinance is the only way of preventing pregnancy that is proven 100% effective? I mean, aside from castration, but... I think abstinance is a slightly better alternative. And as for technology and science, it's usually the scientists who make science and religion enemies. This isn't the Middle Ages any more; now it's scientists who are anti-religion, not priests who are anti-science. I believe that the two should be one; God doesn't have to stick to his own universal laws, but he can if he wants to. God-guided evolution, creationism via Big Bang, you know... EDIT: As for the "He, She, It..." thing, I think "it" is most accurate. However, "he" sounds more respectful, and while "he" doesn't really imply masculinity when referring to God, "she" does imply femininity just because it's different and attracts more attention. [ Saturday, February 28, 2004 08:19: Message edited by: Sir David ] -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL Les forum de la chance. Incaseofemergency,breakglass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
Guardian
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written Saturday, February 28 2004 09:00
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The cause of progress, eh, Jame? That's where you're wrong. Progress as most think of it is an oxymoron in this day and age. The answers for our human existence lie not on the top of the next tallest building or at the core of the next largest nuclear bomb, but within ourselves (to use a terribly overused cliche). Moral development, discipline, humility; these are the benchmarks of true progress. Once we have acheived our aims in this regard, the trials and travails of the material world will fade before our eyes. -------------------- "Let a man find himself, in distinction from others, on top of two wheels with a chain- at least in a poor country like Russia- and his vanity begins to swell out like his tires. In America it takes an automobile to produce this effect."- Leon Trotsky Posts: 1798 | Registered: Sunday, October 5 2003 07:00 |
Bob's Big Date
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written Saturday, February 28 2004 09:07
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quote:I also recall you being the one who foamed at the mouth when I suggested that Adam and Eve were, by all scientific evidence, black if they existed at all. (Never mind the entire human race coming from two people; a population of several thousand would be needed to create a world-spanning species if it were a transplanted one.) [ Saturday, February 28, 2004 09:09: Message edited by: Djur ] -------------------- In a word, gay. --Bob the Impaler Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
Babelicious
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written Saturday, February 28 2004 10:38
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Unwanted pregnancies are why God invented RU-486. [ Saturday, February 28, 2004 10:39: Message edited by: El Presidente ] -------------------- You are my precious thing Thing of speed and beauty, You are my precious thing As long as you remain beneath me -- Big Black Posts: 999 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
Warrior
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written Sunday, February 29 2004 13:58
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quote:Ah yes, one of my other strikes against religion. By the way, I said get rid of religion, not God - there's no way for any human to prove or disprove "it"s existence without permanently dying first. Come on, people! God didn't create television! A human did! And here's who! (Point, point, only 'cause I don't remember who it was. Do the same thing for everything else that came after human intelligence, i.e. metal armor.) -------------------- And that was exactly the point of itself. Takes advantage of the easily offended. Posts: 137 | Registered: Monday, November 17 2003 08:00 |
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