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1. I highly doubt you get spyware with IE. You're probably getting spyware, which is far, far different (although similarly aggrivating), and can easily be prevented by tweaking IE's security settings to prompt about ActiveX controls.
You mean viruses with IE, don't you (for the first sentence)? I actually get both, and the viruses/trojans are usually executed in my Temporary Internet Files Folder and they're either somthing like index.htm or something like that. I know it's IE because it's IE's directory for keeping the TempInternet Files and it always happens while I'm running IE. Fortunately, I have a virus scanner so it doesn't bug me that much...and yes, mostly all my ActiveX features plus Java are disabled, Javascript is still enabled.

2. I'd be surprised if proxy servering actually prevented viruses.

I heard they did, but I guess they might not. But I do know one thing and that is they mask your real IP address pretty well. ;)

3. Whatever/wherever your hearts are supposed to be, I see squares. Just squares.

For some reason, those hearts killed older versions of IE, so I had to take them off. No more hearts...*sob*

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Originally written by Omlette:

Is anyone else looking at RC's photos and seeing a ten-, maybe eleven-year old?

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How about Exodus, which mostly involves the Israelites killing everyone they lay their hands on?

How about the THOUSANDS of people killed simply for not believing in YHWH?

How would you explain Noah's Ark without God having changed his mind about whether or not to wipe everything out?

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Exodus 20:5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

Deuteronomy 6:15
for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land

Nahum 1:2
The LORD is a jealous and avenging God; the LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The LORD takes vengeance on his foes and maintains his wrath against his enemies.

"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." -- 2 Peter 3:9

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Genesis 19

Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed

1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."
"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."
9 "Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.
10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.
12 The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here-sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it."
14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry his daughters. He said, "Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!" But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.
15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, "Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished."
16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the LORD was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, "Flee for your lives! Don't look back, and don't stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!"
18 But Lot said to them, "No, my lords, please! 19 Your servant has found favor in your eyes, and you have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can't flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I'll die. 20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it-it is very small, isn't it? Then my life will be spared."
21 He said to him, "Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. 22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it." (That is why the town was called Zoar. )
23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities-and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot's wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.
27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the LORD . 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.
29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived.

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How about the entire concept of a "chosen race" -- remember, the Hebrews came up with that before Hitler ever did.

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Ephesians 2
12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

Ephesians 3
6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

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Fundamentalist Christianity is a plague on the earth and a thorn in the side of human progress. Its only effect on humanity is more hate and more destruction.

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Homosexuality is repulsive to many people simply because they think it is immoral. And why do they think it is immoral? Because the Bible tells them so. What dumb reasoning.

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Why the hell do the christians think you will be sent to hell and tortured by the devil? The devil is surposed to be evil and stuff so why would he tortur evil people for eternity? Come on, if the next Hitler who commits genocide and kills millions of Christians goes to hell, why would the devil torture him? This guys just done all the devils work for him, bah I will never understand the ramblings of schizophenics

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Revelation 20
7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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As far as I can tell, one needed only to believe that Jesus was the Christ in order to be saved, and then not commit those four big sins.

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This doesn't mean that all Christians are regressive patriarchs, but the book on which they base their theology is a filthy, base one full of racism, sexism, homophobia, and xenophobia.

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Unfortunately my bible does not have that verse in it. (I'm using a KJV) It is Acts 18:29 right?

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Pornography and fornication are not synonymous

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And for that matter, where the punishments for murder are listed, implements of plastic are not mentioned. By ommision, this implies that murder with plastic weapons is not murder.

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The standard again has been raised...you don't actually have to have sex with a woman to commit adultery, you just have to look at her lustfully in your heart.

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What are you wasting time posting for, then. Go out and kill all those transgressors!

In this type of government? Yah right. But that, too is a good thing because, well, giving people a second chance isn't always bad...but they will still be punished for it someway. Stuff like that can lead to divorce, hatred, bitterness, and so forth.

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12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.

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Shellfish being a four-footed animal? Genius.

Who said that shellfish were in Leviticus in the first place?

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Proverbs 3:9
Honor the LORD with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;

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Nobody does that any more. Do I see good christians throwing away food, and marching into the countryside?

Back at that time, fruit was money, and so were animals. Gold and stuff was used as money too but what this verse is saying is to give the first fruits of what you are earning. In today's world, that would be like donating money to the church or charity.

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I looked up estranged and if you're talking about the kids that run away or don't listen to thier parents...yeah, they died. There were a lot less frantic tenagers back then, I'll tell ya.

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Leviticus orders the death of all who curse their parents.

Yep. But it's like the non-killing of adulterers in today's culture.

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The one thing that the Bible says about God is that He never changes. If God did not allow homosexuality 4000 years ago, He will not tolerate it today. Okay, IF the Old Testament Laws were all abolished and only the New Testemant applied...what then?

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So if it isn't mentioned in the bible, its okay?

I don't see anything mentioned in there about child pornography...

Is fornification not pornography? Because I can definetely see that the Bible clearly says to not be in fornification. I can get a verse if you want one.

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Actually, Christianity is very clear on its disapproval of homosexuality. If God had meant for two men to be together, it would be Adam and John. However, Adam and Eve are the origin of humanity so to go against that is to go against God, basic message.

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If God wanted us to have names like John, and Steve, and Mary, and so on, he would have named the first people that. Gee, let's go on the renaming marches.

The point is that man and woman were the first people, not man and man or woman and woman.


If people truly believe that Christianity is so inherently intolerant, that it forces them to take on hateful/irrational points of view, then why on earth do they want to be christians in the first place? Plenty of other gods out there.

Hateful and irrational points of view? What in the world are you talking about? How are we hateful and irrational? Yes, we are the only religion that says that Jesus is the only way to heaven, but have we not defended ourselves with the Bible for 2000 years? The Bible itself has not been proven wrong through two milleniums, and actually even more than that...ever since Genesis was written, which is about 5000 years ago or so.

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In the NKJV, it reads: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." And while Jesus and the disciples threw aside a fair number of Old Testament rules (keeping the Sabbath, for instance),

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Matthew 12
1At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath."
3He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread--which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6I tell you that one greater than the temple is here. 7If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. 8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
9Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, ?Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath??
11He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."
13Then he said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. 14But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.

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Mathew 5
21"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

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Matthew 5
27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

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Banning homosexuality is a perfectly reasonable thing to do for a fledgling tribe/religion. How is your tribe going to achieve dominance over all the other tribes if a good 10% of their population isn't even bothering to reproduce? Rules like that simply need not apply anymore (the reverse might even be true - it'd be beneficial for places like China to have more homosexual people due to insane population levels).

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Leviticus 18:23
" 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

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I'm sure we've all read the chain e-mail which gives all the absurd laws that Leveticus puts down - selling your child into slavery, I believe, was prominent among those things found acceptable.

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Do you eat squid, shellfish, pork, etc?

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Acts 10
9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

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11Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision" (that done in the body by the hands of men)-- 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.
14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

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Do you forget to offer animal offerings?
No need to, Jesus came and paid for our sins with His death. We don't need to offer up any more offerings for our sins.
Do you crossbreed animals, or use animals that have been crossbred?
Do you utilise intensive farming?
Huh? If you mean to not wear yourself out, yeah.
Do you wear clothing with different materials in it?
Dress standards change with the culture. Moral laws do not.
Do you harvest fruit trees before the fifith year, or fail to give the entirity of the fourth year's harvest as sacrifice?

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Do you shave?
Another Dress code standard thing.
Do you allow children who are estranged from their parents to live?
I looked up estranged and if you're talking about the kids that run away or don't listen to thier parents...yeah, they died. There were a lot less frantic tenagers back then, I'll tell ya.

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Actually, Christianity is very clear on its disapproval of homosexuality. If God had meant for two men to be together, it would be Adam and John

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Originally written by Kelandon:

I'm going to assume the latter, but it would've helped if he was, like, funny or something.

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