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Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
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No argument vs. Drayks, but the drakons are bound by neither reason nor mercy (Ghaldring aside).
False. Your blanket statement is so absurd, I don't think it really requires a rebuttal.
Show me where it's wrong. Go ahead. Or is it that I've just hit upon something you can't turn aside?
You nailed him, id like to see him respond

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Innocent? Are these the same humans who supply the Shapers, feed them, provide equipment for their cruel Shaping experiments, and happily exploit servile labour while baying for Drayk and Drakon blood? Granted, not all humans are Shapers, but they do resemble the Germans who happily profited under Nazi rule. Don't expect any sympathy from me.
I apologize; Apparently, empathy is something you consider beneath you. Let's try a simple scenario to see: If someone makes a loaf of bread that feeds a starving person that would have died without it and has never been seen, heard, or contacted in anyway by the person who made the loaf, and said person then went and massacred a dozen people, would the person who made the loaf be responsible?
Exactly if a person is forced to do something by a person who is forced to do something and on and on, it ends up only the shaper council that is causing trouble

[ Sunday, December 02, 2007 14:15: Message edited by: SlaughteringSevile ]

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Drayks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Hardest Spiderweb Game EVER!! in General
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His mighty tentacle? anyway how do you change your title, i dont want to be stuck with New Arrival forever

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Drayks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Do you think that your creations should be able to carry stuff? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Yeah I guess, this is the last game of Geneforge, so I hope it goes out a blast

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Drayks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Hardest Spiderweb Game EVER!! in General
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Member # 9906
Profile Homepage #7
one random question: how many posts do you need to label yourself whatever title you want? Like i have noticed Aran's, Delicious Vlish and SoT's. I highly doubt Electric Sheep One is a title

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Drayks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Do you think that your creations should be able to carry stuff? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
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I got a cool idea, have like parts of creations and you can make your own while still having the older ones,

"You open the lid and the agents inside of the canister come out and go into you"
Increased Drakon fire glands by 1
Increased Vlish terror tentacle by one"
Sound cool?

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Drayks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Who do you want to see in Geneforge 5 in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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A showdown with the shaper council would be awesome, but lifecrafters would have the advantage because they could just hide behind a wall and send creations for a meat shield while throwing essence lances at the council. Huh just thought of something, could the other shaper that Greta and Alwan traveled with in G3? "There was the.....other shaper" Heh but what would be awesome but will not happen is that if the PC from all Geneforge games come with a Barzite-like sect that kills all leaders of all the sects, imagine:

Travokites: no real leader, you would just have to do a purge as you go.
Rebels: bye bye Arakari Blaze (and Galdring)
Shapers: Council
Barzites: Either they would follow them or would Co-exist
Awakened: Ellrahs head

I want Pol, Galdring, the PCs (one quest would be to liberate the G4 PC, because i think Jeff will want it to be a stalemate, thus travokite)The awakened, Barzites, Monarch, Kyryk, General Crowley. Who are the Sholi?, I have only played g4 and g2.
Had Jeff even started G5, with Avernum 5 coming out, hasn't that devoted his attention?

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Drayks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 9906
Profile Homepage #117
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What do you think most history is?
Not true, name 3 other times something like 9/11 happened? As for translation of Nayld:
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If Ghaldring ruled simply by being the strongest, then he would have taken Salassar out the back and ripped him a new hole, without all the finagling involving the PC.

But as Ghaldring himself explains:

"Why didn't you kill Salassar yourself?"

"It would not have been wise. Drakons are proud. If they felt I was only ruling by killing those I did not like, then, no matter how much they owed me, they would have brought me down in the end."

So clearly Ghaldring doesn't rule just by 'being the strongest', but by winning the hearts and minds of his fellow Drakons. He needs to take the wishes and feelings of his Drakons into account, or else they will gang up and usurp him. If Ghaldring's views do not reflect the common view of his Drakons, then it only follows that he would be deposed.
Ghaldring does rule by being the strongest. If he ruled by violently being the strongest, then the other Drakons would temporarily unite and rip him apart. As it is, he rules tenuously by working not to offend any other Drakons too badly, by frantic political maneuvering to keep them occupied with each other, appealing to the Drakon sense of "honor" by saying, rightly so, that they owe him for bringin the Rebellion so far, and by creating an object of focus in Salassar. A very tenuous rule indeed.

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So are the Jews. Haven't you ever noticed how Jews have a habit of ascending to positions of economic and political power? The Kurds in Iraq were dangerous, too. As were the Armenians in Turkey.
The types of danger you refer to are different than that which the Drakons pose. Ascending to political and economic power is completely different than being on the verge of waging racial war. And, to be honest, you refer to stereotypes.

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Yep, that's a logical conclusion. Independent beings usually don't like being under someone's thumb.

Glad you agree.

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Conjecture. You're assuming that every race is as vile, imperialistic, controlling and violent as the Shapers.
Perhaps genocide was not the best solution, and Nalyd certainly doesn't think it was, but given the centuries of Shaper conditioning and the good track record of this method, it was a reasonable one.

The policy of genocide doesn't have a good track record, as evidenced by a Rebellion where the serviles, eyebeasts, drayks and drakons are all united.
What would you see them as having done? Making hemp bracelets and drinking tea? No, intelligent beings that were previously enslaved would want revenge, at least on the Shapers. Also, the Shapers are not a race, nor are they all identical. They are a caste, and one that is growing increasingly varied.

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When such disparate races come together despite their differences, that symbolizes how the genocide policy has failed.
That is the first time that that method has failed. The first, in many centuries of Shaper rule. When something becomes uncontrollable, kill it and everything related to it. Granted, when it fails, it fails spectacularly, but the Shapers couldn't know this. Their own emergence from Shaping had long since been buried in millennia of history.

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No, just no. Please, I urge you to replay Geneforge 4. The Drakons engaged in conventional warfare against the Shapers. They were smashed. The human/servile resistance was annihilated. The Drakons retreated to Northforge to create the Unbound while the Shapers advanced. Finally, the Unbound were completed, just as the Shapers reached the Northforge Warrens.

It was either release the Unbound and save the Rebellion, or destroy the Unbound and have the Rebellion quashed, and the remaining humans, serviles, drayks, drakons and eyebeasts (we can't forget the poor baby eyebeasts, can we now?) slaughtered.

Releasing the Unbound was justifiable self defense.

Have you seen the number of Drakons in the Northforge areas? Have you seen the number and quality of Shaper troops around those same areas? Don't say the Drakons didn't have a chance, they had a very considerable one, and no less than they ever had. It was about as justifiable as launching the nukes because you lost a battle. The Drakons were hardly "crushed" in conventional warfare. They barely even fought.

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As you so astutely point out, the human/servile part of the Rebellion can afford to have the 'moral highground' because they allow the Drakons to do their dirty work.
The Drakons have more or less abandoned the human Rebellion the humans have to fend for themselves, and with quite a bit less resources than the Drakons, and seem to be doing quite well surviving.

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You are friends with deluded individuals? Is that wise?
You know exactly what he meant. Don't be an idiot. Keep the debate impersonal.
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False. I could dig up quotes from numerous Drakons who, at the very least, are willing to tolerate the company of non-Drakons. But I don't know if I should expend the effort, as I feel that you're not arguing in good faith.

Tolerating the company of? KKK members can "tolerate the company of" blacks if they want to. And using them in battle isn't "tolerant".

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This was a chance. He could have very well lost his rule if the PC hadn't come along and conveniently forced Salassar's hand.

No, the Drakons wouldn't care at all if all humans died today. They just don't have a reason to expend effort and make more enemies at the moment. If Drakons won? Human slaves. Maybe.

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Yes. Can't you see why Drakons need to shape in order to fight a far superior force of Shaping masters? What do you expect the Drakons to use in their fight against the Shapers... sticks and cotton balls?

They could use their own two-ton fire-spewing selves. Nalyd doesn't accuse them for Shaping, but their is no necessity whatsoever for the Unbound.

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No they didn't. The Drakons took control. Isn't that what military leaders do? They establish a base of operations, and then order those of lower rank about? It's not exactly pleasant, but in warfare these things must occur.

But why are the Serviles of lower rank? Because they have less inborn fighting ability? They are more mentally stable? They are less violently radical? They are less bloodthirsty? Why?

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According to that logic, every human in the Shaper army, as well as those who supply and feed said army, are slave labour.

I agree that the Drakons who moved into Khima-Uss didn't exactly go about the acquisition diplomatically, but to condemn them for merely establishing a base of operations during a war, and equating their actions to slave labour, is hyperbole.
Explain the elaborate artwork and sculpture in Khima-Uss. Hardly warfare-applicable, is it.

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So you agree that the Shapers survival did not depend on their ability to Shape?

Not entirely, no, Shaper survival did not depend on their ability to Shape. It certainly didn't hurt, but beyond the first tumultuous war for supremacy, Shaping was not necessary.

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False. A rare few developments in Shaping came from numerous Shaping experiments, many of which were cruel and unnecessary. Merely because some experiments brought about advancements, does not mean that all (or even the majority) of experiments performed were necessary or relevant.

For example, one particular Nazi experiment involved bleeding prisoners, and observing the process of blood loss leading to death. Today, that experimental material is used by the medical establishment to determine how much blood loss has occured in a patient who has suffered trauma.

According to your rationale, since one Nazi experiment brought about advancements, then the entire slew of experiments served the greater good.
Knowledge does not come without a price. If the Nazis had not engaged in such violent research, how many would have died due to lack of knowledge? The only reason that Shaping has not brought about untold benefits is that the research is insanely, horrifically, complicated. More or less like shooting radiation at chicken embryos to try and make them into cows. And most of this research is directed at warfare.


The desire to gain knowledge, perverse? Never. Never. Your prejudice towards happy ignorance is too blatant here. Nalyd will leave you to it, Eloi, and wait with the other Morlocks.

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No they aren't. Terrorists delibrately target civilians for political purposes. The Rebels release creations whose role is to kill the Shapers and their allies, but unfortunately cause a lot of collateral damage. A more accurate comparison is with the artillery bombardment employed by first world nations such as the United States and Israel.

And that makes them better? The U.S. and Israel are hardly tolerable, let alone perfect.

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He seems mentally stable to me. Merely because you disagree with his ideology, does not automatically make him insane.

That is, perhaps, overstating the issue, but Drakons, as a whole, are more irrational, prone to anger, greed, violence, and squabbling than humans. Are these desirable traits.

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He seems mentally stable to me. Merely because you disagree with his ideology, does not automatically make him insane.

Not insane, but certainly not stable.

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Backstabbing, brainwashing and hypocrisy? I have never observed such things in the Drakon resistance.

Brainwashing, not so much, backstabbing, so much and so blatant as to be natural. Hypocrisy, Nalyd's memory is failing him.

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Millions? Your hyperbole generator is acting up again.
Millions, yes. Graphics take time and space, and the spaces between the zones almost always contain farms.

They posed a threat because they would soon become uncontrollable war machines.

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Quite frankly, the Nazis were clearly correct in assuming that the Jews were too independent and dangerous to be allowed to exist. Look at the carnage that resulted in places such as the Warsaw Ghetto, because the Jews there were allowed to survive! So are the Jews. Haven't you ever noticed how Jews have a habit of ascending to positions of economic and political power? The Kurds in Iraq were dangerous, too. As were the Armenians in Turkey.
Ooh, a pseudo race of poor people. Threatening. Ooh, a two-ton tower of fiery muscle and armor, hungry for revenge. Threatening. Very comparable.

This adding of quotes took awhile so be happy, and Nayld, I hope I got the quotes that you where talking about.

[ Tuesday, November 27, 2007 14:10: Message edited by: SlaughteringSevile ]

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Drayks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Alright, I will do a compare-contrast board.

Also, I do not mean to offend anyone with a different political RL opinion.

Shapers: Chauvinistic, unforgiving and has bad leaders.
Rebels: Insane people who kill everything on sight, and to be that they have to use canisters, otherwise they are dead or a shaper spy, also they use Bio-weapons
Terrorists (future OR past): Insane people who kill everything on sight, uses nuclear weapons.
U.S.A.: Prejudice, has bad leaders.

Now for conversion.

Bio Weapons = Nuclear Weapons (When it comes to power and situation.
Terroists = Rebels, exact same position, insane, go on genocidal crusades, Hitler went after jewish people and Arakari Blaze goes after anyone who is in the western half of Terrestia (If you do the rebel ending the Unbound just kill everything, not targeted genocide, but it still is)
Shapers = U.S. (Their descriptions are very alike)

Shapers are better, their one big problem is their intolerance for Serviles and Drayks, (Eyebeasts and Drakons are *******s), if they didn't have that trait, they would just be a strict, bunch of people who do shaping.

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Drayks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Wow!! in General
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Originally written by:
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For me, however, WoW just is awful for a dedicated solo player...
Yay, another person who doesn't like WoW.

And Synergy, if I may ask, did they save both of your legs?

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Drayks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Tank Cat! in General
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http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/lolcat-funny-picture-moderator1.jpg
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/lolcats-funny-pictures-submissions.jpg
Very accurate no?

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Drayks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Tank Cat! in General
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Whoops, oh god I am going to get hailed on like hell, please someone lock this topic and my stupid mistake.

[ Wednesday, November 21, 2007 15:04: Message edited by: SlaughteringSevile ]

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Drayks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Tank Cat! in General
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Do you think this is funny?
file:///K:/TANK%20KAT!.jpg
does this work can you see the cat?

[ Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:27: Message edited by: SlaughteringSevile ]

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Call of Cthulhu in General
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Star munchkin: The Great Cthulhu Level 20: Side Kicks run away from the Cthulhu and cannot save you from his slobbering grasp if you survive they will come slinking back ;)

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Tasty Vlish in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Tastes like chicken..... OH i know!

Tasty Vlish hide + Perfected Breastplate + Shiny Emerald + Chestnut of Alacrity = Emerald Chestgaurd (or whatever that glowing green hunk was) (+5 AP, +2 strength and intelligence, +5 Melee weapons, +30% to all resistances)

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETURN of the awesome armor ;)

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
My life for Auir!
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Question in General
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I have looked at the number of topics in the General area, why are they so few, Geneforge 4 board has more. Did jeff delete of move that many topics, or was there never that much in the first place?

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Arrg, people refer to the rebellion as the drakons lead, but IF the unbound didn't need to be created and if the drakons didn't lead the rebellion it would be alot better, i bet that the average human/servile in the rebellion doesn't like the unbound project and the drakons, honestly, do you think that if you met a giant, walking, fire-breathing, cruel, greedy lizard i don't think they would be on your friends list

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Just Another Poll in Geneforge Series
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I see, well im guessing some people saw geneforge 3 as a worse version of 4, i didn't, but there are some people who look at the newest ones

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Originally written by kkarski
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What makes Trakovite viewpoint flawed is lack of realism. They are idealists, presenting a philosophy that answers some questions of ethical nature, but they don't have a valid theory as how the world economics could be upkept in shape without shaping. Remember, in the Geneforge world shaping influences almost every aspect of life. The plant growth is aided with shaping, the tools are shaped, serviles were shaped strong so that they could do muscle-intensive jobs much more efficiently than humans.
The Trakovites don't mention how would they see the world running without shaping. They only call it evil, period.
As for the Shapers and the Rebellion, in both groups you can find different members, some compassionate, some very narrowminded, some with liberal views and some very conservative. But still, when looking at the top of these two organisations, whatever they say it is a simple struggle for power. The shapers want to keep their rule, the drakons want to replace them. You may think that the creations would be better off under the rule of the drakons, but it is very possible that humans would be used as a sort of slave race instead of serviles. And the drama would be the same, only with different actors.
Yes, the Travokites don't mention that because they don't know what to do about it, but they still have the idea which is better than other things

Drakons are a pain in the ass, I personally would like them to wither away and have the dryaks and serviles lead the rebellion without the tyranny of drakons, like a dryak and/or servile version of Greta, quote the game "she had the tactfulness and strength of a drakon, and without the arrogence". Obviously, that would make the game less interesting through lack of flaws in the rebellion.
Origanally written by ET
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I think the morality of Shapers is still quite underestimated here. Remember that one town, Valeya, I think. The guardian there was supposed to be infiltrating Rebel lands, sabotaging and spying and all that rot. But he isn't doing those things when you find him, he is patrolling the town, a town on the front, no, a town beyond enemy lines to protect its inhabitants. Where are these heartless, cruel people that are being spoken of?
He wasn't patrolling the town, he was looking for rebels and trying to keep anyone from the Enchanted Anvil.

I think that the shapers rule by following cold, cruel logic, Rebels live by how they think they should, and Travokites live (or try to live) by ethics, they think shaping is evil.
Oi, that was long

[ Tuesday, November 06, 2007 13:04: Message edited by: SlaughteringSevile ]

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Just Another Poll in Geneforge Series
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Necromancy? what happened there? :confused:

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What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
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Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 9906
Profile Homepage #37
quote:
ow are the Rebels any less autocratic than the Shapers? I would argue the opposite. Though it seems most of the nobility has taken up shaping, many smaller towns and even some larger ones are governed by non-shaper humans. Rebel lands, on the other hand, are, more often than not, lorded over directly be some kind of drakon overseer. You all seem to take for granted the many freedoms afforded by Shaper rule. People live in peace and prosperity under Shaper rule, creations are well taken care of. But even creations must grovel in the presence of drakon masters on the rebel side. The drakon's couldn't even be bothered when the human administrated Southforge fell.
Written by ET

Yes, you had a good life if you lived in towns that where guarded by something like Rivergate Keep, if you didn't have any shaping or war advantage the shapers would forget you and your town with the exception of taxes. "Peace and prosperity" pfft, only if you were rich and lived right next to rivergate keep

Honestly, both sides are screwed up, the shapers are a-morale, chauvinistic of beings who are smart and aren't human and they are only interested in something if it helps them win or it is a parasite of evil to them.

Rebels (at least the drakons) will do anything to win over the Shapers which makes them almost as bad. But, they don't prosecute humans for being the same race as shapers. Now i am probably going to be bombarded with comments saying "what about the dryaks" well they are, from the drakons point of view, a less evolved version of them, which might be a flaw in their shaping, like their greed for gold. and as for the serviles, what else is there to do? They have 3 choices:
1: Become a mindless, laborer in a shaper keep
2: Hide in a town and dread the day they find you
3: Become a Rebel and hope to stop the shapers
And also drakons don't go on Holocausts killing all humans in sight just because they are intelligent and not a drakon, unlike a "few" shapers you know about.

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Left or Right? in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 9906
Profile Homepage #24
Wow, thats awesome. I see CounterC. rather than C. Im not sure whether its designed to change randomly or whether i drank too much beer

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
best creation combos for lifecrafter in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 9906
Profile Homepage #15
Yes you could do that but i don't think it would have the same feel, battling the Titan with 3300 health and having your creation have 400.

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
best creation combos for lifecrafter in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 9906
Profile Homepage #13
Thats true, but they are going to have to cheat or make an editor if they want to shape golems (personally I like having 7 Unbound) :cool:

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Another Poll (Yay!) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 9906
Profile Homepage #13
Servile Rebel who doesn't shape. Am I right?

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00
Another Poll (Yay!) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 9906
Profile Homepage #0
Note: board moniters i don't mean to insult you i am just asking peoples opinions

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Life's important Questions:
What is the best Artifact
Gloves of Savagery
Is there a more uber sword that the Puresteel Soulblade: No
Vie va la Travokites
Vie va la Kyryk
Vie va la Serviles
Vie va la Dryaks
Your incompidence is your own fault
Before you complain, ask yourself, does anyone care? The answer, of course is No.
Posts: 301 | Registered: Tuesday, August 21 2007 07:00

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