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New Abortion Laws in General
*i
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Member # 6
 written Monday, April 4 2005 21:06 Profile #256
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To Stareye - I would posit that humanity isn't losing all that much productive capacity by allowing legalized abortions to occur - our worldwide population certainly doesn't show signs of waning!
Yes, worldwide, but we need to draw a distinction between the first world and the third world.

Most productivity occurs in the first world where the population is decreasing. The first world, is, also where most abortions occur because it is not economical to have children in the first world.

In the third world, it is to your benefit to have as many children as you can to act as a cheap source of labor and ensure care in your old age. There is less overall productivity there because people are unfortunate in the fact they have to devote their resources to survival and not producing goods, works of art, new medicines, etc.

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General thoughts and comments in Geneforge Series
*i
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Member # 6
 written Saturday, April 2 2005 13:59 Profile #4
This is the product of copy/paste syndrome.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
GF3's humans in Geneforge Series
*i
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Member # 6
 written Saturday, April 2 2005 13:58 Profile #1
This has nothing to do with GF 3. I'm confused.

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I got them GOOD! in Blades of Exile
*i
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Member # 6
 written Saturday, April 2 2005 12:06 Profile #9
The posting on March 30th was definitely the part that would fool anyone.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Le pape est mort. in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Saturday, April 2 2005 12:04 Profile #2
The world has lost a great and powerful leader, a tireless advocate for peace.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
A4 wants in The Avernum Trilogy
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Member # 6
 written Saturday, April 2 2005 08:20 Profile #39
It will also integrate a lot of the aspects of the Geneforge engine. I just hope it will still be purely turn based.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Beta Call for Echoes: Tomorrow Belongs to Echoes in Blades of Avernum
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Friday, April 1 2005 16:04 Profile #7
April fools, right?

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Living tools with containers? in Geneforge Series
*i
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Member # 6
 written Friday, April 1 2005 16:02 Profile #1
Living tools are no help on trapped boxes.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Friday, April 1 2005 12:56 Profile #63
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Originally written by Dolphin:

Hmm, so help me understand this concept. As long as you except Jesus as your lord and savior you can do what ever you want good or bad? If Jesus died for our sins than you can sin and still go to heaven right? So you can do every bad thing you can think of, and as long as you ask Jesus to forgive you on you deathbed you are sent to heaven?
Or what about peopel who've never heard of Jesus? Are they instantly absolved?

What about infants and young children that are too young to know to believe? At what age does it matter?

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Do you think there is a Hell? in General
*i
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Member # 6
 written Thursday, March 31 2005 17:09 Profile #58
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Originally written by ben2:

Of course, God does not fall subject to the scientific laws and physics of our universe, Maxmillion. He is the one who made them. His dwelling is inaccessable while you are confined to a world of three spacial demensions; only souls that have accepted Him and are free of their sin can go there.
Typical apologetics.

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The Door *SPOILERS* in Geneforge Series
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Member # 6
 written Thursday, March 31 2005 14:46 Profile #10
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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

That was my idea of how it should be, and although I'm far from meeting Ghaldring, it sounds like I won't be disappointed.
Yay.
Oh don't worry, you will be.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
The Abominable Party-Building Topic in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 6
 written Wednesday, March 30 2005 17:42 Profile #22
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Originally written by Evil_Penguin:

[QB]First, adlerauge, the incredibly powerful bow from canopy which does 1-9 per level plus some ridiculous bonuses, is comparable to the highest damage melee or pole weapons. Personally, I think it's rather unbalancing. Ranged weapons usually do less damage for a reason, which brings me to the next two points.[QB]
If you feel it's unbalancing, no one forces you to use Alderauge.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
The Door *SPOILERS* in Geneforge Series
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Member # 6
 written Wednesday, March 30 2005 17:32 Profile #6
quote:
Originally written by Drakefyre:

quote:
Originally written by *i:

Ghaldring.
A big drakon.
Better put: Anticlimax at its best.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
A4 wants in The Avernum Trilogy
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Wednesday, March 30 2005 06:29 Profile #18
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Originally written by Kelandon:

I really don't know. I just want A4 to continue to look like Avernum and not look like Geneforge.
Dream on.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
The Door *SPOILERS* in Geneforge Series
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The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Wednesday, March 30 2005 06:09 Profile #2
Ghaldring.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
canister effects in Geneforge Series
*i
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Member # 6
 written Tuesday, March 29 2005 09:10 Profile #1
The canisters will definitely make dealing with loyal shapers more difficult if you choose that route. Also, your rage will make you enter combat you might not want to enter. Finally, the ending is changed by your use of cansiters.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
SR useless items in Blades of Avernum
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Tuesday, March 29 2005 09:04 Profile #6
Apple pie probably SHOULD be food. That would be a bug.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Magery v. Priest-ery in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 6
 written Tuesday, March 29 2005 09:03 Profile #1
Arcane summon and Simulacrum can by VERY useful in tough situations.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Geneforge 3 available for Macintosh in Geneforge Series
*i
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Member # 6
 written Tuesday, March 29 2005 03:41 Profile #28
There are only two "sects" in GF3, the Shapers and the Rebels.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Work Visas For Illegal Immigrants in General
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Member # 6
 written Sunday, March 27 2005 13:48 Profile #10
Morgan -- I thought you were taking an absolutist policy of "no immigration policy anywhere, for any reason, ever". That is what I was mainly arguing about.

I'm not sure how detremental/beneficial illegal immigraton to the US economy (which is the issue of the topic, not the British one although it would be useful for comparisons). There is plenty of space, per se, to cram the whole world's population into the US territories. However, maintaining such a population would be impossible with current levels of production and the world would instantly plummet into a brutality of mass starvation.

The point is, where does a society draw a line? Where does it restrict a policy to prevent mass migration with the most horrific results? That, I think, is why an immigration policy is always needed.

[ Sunday, March 27, 2005 13:49: Message edited by: *i ]

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Work Visas For Illegal Immigrants in General
*i
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Member # 6
 written Sunday, March 27 2005 10:20 Profile #8
Are you joking that America needs wars to sustain its economy? If you aren't, I'm afraid you are wrong about that until I see real scientific evidence otherwise.

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I find the very idea of trying to control where people can go and live in the world to be utterly abhorent - to this end, the best immigration policy is to have no policy at all.
Unfortunately that is a moralistic argument with no practical basis...I suppose if we lived in a world with unlimited resources or we could repeal that pesky second law of thermodynamics I would agree with you.

The only real reason to restrict immigration is economics. Allowing too high a concentration of people in one area harms everyone. Having an immigration policy and controlling the locations of people is necessary in a resource limited world. Not doing so would cause undue suffering of larger populations, which I find a bit more "abhorrant" than telling a few people where they can and cannot live.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Sunday, March 27 2005 10:12 Profile #161
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If this were the case, why not outlaw contraception or at least eliminate contraception information from sex-education? Why restrict immigration at all?
You are not looking too deeply into this. The sheer numerical increase is not a good thing. Population versus quality of life is a curve with some ideal peak. Doing what you say would do more harm than good as it would destabalize the economy worldwide with a non-sustainable and non-controllable birth rate. In other words, a disaster.

Under the restrict abortion analysis, there are still ways to control the population without eliminating life that has human potential. It is still possible to have a negative birth rate and not have abortion. I doubt it is possible without contraceptives, however.

As far as the Nazis, that's a tired old argument that is irrelevant to this topic. There is no "preferred" types of people. Everyone in this analysis is assumed to be equal.

As an unrelated side note, genetic purity is a good goal when it comes to eliminating diseases and other debilitating traits. Unfortunately, the methods the Nazis used were far too brutal and far too blunt. Techniques under development are lot less invasive and not cause any real restriction on anyone.

Back on subject, again, there needs to be a lot more work in developing an acceptable care system for children.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Work Visas For Illegal Immigrants in General
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Member # 6
 written Sunday, March 27 2005 06:26 Profile #4
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Originally written by Mr.knowitall:

I agree with the waffle guy, there will be a flood of illigal immigrants pouring into our country.
How do you reconcile this with the fact that if such a program would be put into place, stricter security would also have to be established to ensure enforcement?

Why would there even be an increase from the status quo anyway? I don't see the logic.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Work Visas For Illegal Immigrants in General
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Member # 6
 written Sunday, March 27 2005 06:13 Profile #2
I personally agree with the visa idea. There are a few issues:

1) There needs to be an increase in border control for this to be enforced, meaning an increase in cost. If we didn't have the conquests overseas, the US army would be the perfect candidate for this one. Now this probably means training more border guards.

2) In the event of violating the visas, a system of punishment needs to be worked out with the Mexican government. This will probably have to be much more severe than deportation.

3) Ensure that those with visas are treated fairly and accounted for by employers. They should have all rights as any other worker in this country including minimum wage.

4) Knowingly hiring illegal immigrants without visas needs to be very strictly punished. This includes heavy fines (in excess of $10 000) and probably prison terms.

5) We still need to address the real problem: poverty and corruption in Mexico. Although this may not be "our problem", it ultimately is if we want to limit illegal entry.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
New Abortion Laws in General
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The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Sunday, March 27 2005 05:55 Profile #158
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The question we are answering here is this: should the government effectively impose that risk by forcing abortion into the back-alley? Do the social benefits outweigh the costs?
In a hypothetical world where abortion is illegal, we have this: increased risk to the mother balanced out by additional lives added. There would still be underground abortions, but a lot fewer of them, I'd wager, because of the risk of punishment and difficulty in finding the appropriate doctor.

One could do a calculation making some assumptions about the increase in relative risk and the decrease in abortions performed. One could then calculate the cost or savings in lives from this policy. Go one step further and factor in normal childhood mortality rate to get to the actual change in reproductive adults. It would be an interesting calculation for someone to do. I do not have the time, but I'm willing to bet you would have a net increase in lives.

So, if a net increase in lives occurs, then do the social benefits outweigh the costs?

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In addition, what is society going to do with the unwanted newborn?
This is where society has a real problem. The foster care system is a total mess. People who do adobt are often treated with suspicion because their family is "unnatural". We offer no real incentives for it other than altruism. There needs to be serious policy research in this area.

I believe we cannot hope to fix the abortion issue until the adoption issue is addressed.

[ Sunday, March 27, 2005 06:01: Message edited by: *i ]

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